Please just stay home a little while longer if you are...
 

In a group who is susceptible or vulnerable to this situation. No one wants anyone else to die but some people would like to get on with our lives and we accept personal responsibility for our choice.

Please allow us to rejoin society and bring about a calm stability where there is no concern for health in this regard.

Please only rejoin when you feel comfortable.

God Bless You All,
Steve

My question, if all those that want to get on with their lives are willing to infect the others or get infected by the others that want to get on with their lives, is it because they believe they can easily survive, don't believe any of the stats or believe it only happens to those with underlying conditions or are vulnerable? Just curious?

I think we should wait for he government to tell us its ok to go back in the water....but I see members of congress flying here there and everywhere...

One can make their own decision just like deciding to daily risk getting in the car or not get your flu shot.

Both have very major death rates society has decided it can "live" with.

For a moment, exclude the hot spots in the USA as they have a some explanation for reasons why they are hot spots.
The rest of the USA would then display a very different virus profile. Which I believe will play a major role in any future flare ups.

Because of the intense 24/7 reporting by the government and the media in this very instant communicating capable world, our awareness is more heightened and very different than at any other time in history.

In my opinion the fear factor seems more ever present in the virus communications.

Our household (the two of us) will remain cautious until such time there is an all clear or a vaccine. Then, as we do our flu/pneumonia/shingles shots we will be among those that opt for the vaccine. Then hopefully be able to go about our lives with no more concern than we did/do for driving a car or getting or not the flu.

Seriously, you believe everything you hear from Fauchi and Birks.

Yeah, that really worked out well for Japan. Me, I think I’ll take what the government says... under advisement.

Yes. As a matter of fact I trust Fauci and Birx completely and I do NOT believe the conspiracy theories about them. Fauci has served under six presidents and Birx also has a VERY impressive curriculum vitae. They both live comfortably, make a lot of money and enjoy the prestige that they deserve after a long stent of exemplary service in the medical field. There is nothing to warrant the foolishness being passed around on social media.

I trust their judgement far more than I do any politician in regard to my health.

Are your remarks directed at the government? Because neither I nor any other private citizen can prevent you from doing whatever is legal.

If you're saying you don't want to be scolded for what some see as a reckless choice that may also endanger them, then best stay offline.

TOTV members -- and I dare say, seniors in general -- are (1) very set in our ways and (2) not hesitant about dispensing opinions.

If this were a situation where someone was only putting themselves at risk by going out without a mask or doing other risky behaviors, that would be one thing.

But the fact that they can infect others, particularly since it sounds like they are very contagious before they show any symptoms-that's an entirely different situation.

Bottom line the way I see it is, go do what you want if it's solely just putting yourself at risk, but you don't have the right to intentionally put me at risk with your irresponsible behavior.

The government is the last to listen to!

Thank you for a realistic post. It is that 5% that have underlying conditions that need to be careful. The more they test we’re finding that many more people had this than thought had covid, which is a good thing. Mortality rate keeps going down. Like you said those people at risk just need to be careful. The rest of us want to get back to our normal lives.

My question is, if all those that are so worried about being infected are willing to cause 30 million people to be thrown out of work and destroy the economy, when does it end? Do people really think that after a business is closed for 2 months it can just re-open? After people have been propagandized for months about gloves and masks and "distancing", they're going to go right back to concerts, airplanes and restaurants? We are now in for years of depression level unemployment because Fauci et al wanted to run a giant experiment. Have you given a thought to the physical and emotional damage unemployment does to families? Please multiply by 30 million. Add a bankrupt country with $25 trillion in debt. Now call the person who wants to open the economy selfish. You do realize that there is no evidence (No studies, none) to support the theory that distancing and masks and gloves even work to reduce the level of deaths? This concept of quarantining healthy people has never been done, anywhere, ever. 8,000 people die every day in the U.S. from all causes. We can have lockdowns forever to prevent this or that illness. Have fun with the new normal.

Stephen - you are referencing a decision made by our leaders that will be immoral regardless of the direction. If opening the county results in more deaths (as you reference) then it is immoral. If closing the economy results in the degradation of the financial well being of 90% of society then that is an immoral decision. We need to have compassion for those leaders making such decisions because there is no "right" decision. Your certainty in the face of this has to be questioned.

Completely agree
 

You are completely right!

Everyone has the right to risk their own lives, but no one has the right to risk the lives of others 👿

I will never understand people who think the "government" knows more about anything than just citizens with common sense. Government bureaucrats are the last people I listen to.

Accepting personal responsibilty will not fly if you continue to spread the virus through the community.

Risk
 

It seems to me that we put others at risk every time we go out in our cars or golf cars and when we do not get a flu shot.

There are many other things that will kill you. You can't hide from all of them.

I think I have earned the right to call my own shots after 68 years. I want to enjoy life in the tome I have left, not huddle in a bunker-like state of fear.

Open everything and let the natural selection begin

What does "They both live comfortably, make a lot of money ...." have to do with anything?? I know many people who "both live comfortably, make a lot of money" and have done so by deceiving everyone they have come into contact with, take for example many of your Wall Street Bankers..... Don't judge people if they live comfortably, make a lot of money. By the way, I do not know anyone who works for the government who "makes a lot of money"

Are the epidemiologists advising the president members of the bureaucracy you refer to ?

Sometimes there is no one else to do your shopping or go to the store so please people at least wear a mask. It’s the least you can do

I believe that they are giving us the best information that they have at the time. This is new territory for everyone and they, along with all the experts are learning new things about this virus.

Sometimes they have evidence that says one thing and weeks later that is proven to be incorrect or inaccurate.

I'm just not so cynical to believe that everyone in government is trying to make us all sick or trying to take all of our freedom away.

Graciegirl you need to take of the blinders. Fauci is not innocent in this, do your due diligence. Wonder why he keeps dissing hydroxy when it is cheap, effective and readily available and he touts Remdisivere? He is in charge of NIH, major donor to NIH is the manufacturer of Remdisivere, follow the $$$$.

When the White House and the State House are open to visitors, then I'll think about getting out to public events.

You can have your groceries delivered and use a drive thru for other stuff. Stop trying to guilt people into doing what you want.

The president and VP are now being tested daily. All those around them are also tested and are wearing masks. There's new strict virus protocol in the WH. This is the guy who put in place government guidelines then immediately posted praise for people protesting those same guidelines. Fact, not fake news. We debate sheltering vs the economy. (Sometimes in a very nasty way) We debate who to trust with the information we're getting. Well actions speak louder than words. Look what's going on in the WH.

It seems that way to YOU???

Ok, whatever. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

There are multiple studies that support the effectiveness of social distancing. Logically if it prevents transmission it also prevents deaths from Covid. Irresponsible behavior will risk the lives of others, including the health care professionals you will no doubt seek out if you get Covid. Regarding the economic impact, it seems many Villages are financially healthy, with no impact on regular pension and SS deposits. Question is, how are you helping to support those less fortunate? Have you donated to the cause recently, have you generously (over) tipped delivery or take out persons, have you supported the local food bank? Everyone has a part to minimize the impact of the pandemic. Stop whining, we're all in this together. If you're bored, find a new activity that won't risk the health/welfare of others.

CDC Published from 2/1 to 4/11

Week ending date in which the death occurred

COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1)1 = 11,356

Deaths with Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID (U07.1 or J09-J18.9)2 = 54,217

Deaths from All Causes = 569,403

Just what are the activities that you believe risk the health/welfare of others?

On the upside, opening up may save the social security fund.

IMHO...We all have the right to our individual decisions. This is, after all, America....the land of the free. It's our personal responsibility to protect OURSELVES as we go about our daily routines. Life is a risk. Going out in our car is a risk. But we do it so often, it's something we never even think about. Eating at a restaurant, and so many of us do, it's a risk. …..salmonella, E Coli among others..Hepatitis…. nobody worries about these things. I think that it's because most of us take reasonable precautions.
As for this pandemic, I don't go looking for it, but I know that I HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO IT SOMETIME in order to develop an immunity. Do I think it will kill me?? I doubt it, but also know that it is a risk that needs to be taken. Just like getting out on the highway in the car.

Hello, ficoguy,

You don’t miss a beat, do ya —

Oh well, I hope you will give my post here some thought.

As of yesterday morning, the reported numbers were, as follow:

Global:
Cases: 3,979,442
Deaths: 276,421

United States:
Cases: 1,291,100
Deaths: 77,489

Whether it be contract negotiations or ROI, I have always paid attention to percentages. Feel free to check my math. I did it in my head so it might be a little rough:

33% - United States Percentage of Global Cases
28% - United States Percentage of Global Deaths

I was appalled at what I was seeing in those numbers so I looked up the percentage of the US population relative to the population of the world:

4.5% - Yep. That’s us, our population, in relation to the whole world. I was beyond appalled at that stat.

Even though the virus could not have been stopped, it seems like it could have at least been headed off at the pass by responding to what was known in, ohhhh, let me see — January.

And why are tests being stonewalled? A numbers game?

Sassy Boomer

Global deaths all other causes: 153,400 PER DAY

Thank you. This is what many - here and elsewhere - just won't respond to. It's like "yeah, 'they'll' figure that out when the right time comes". Sorry - it's almost assuredly not going to work that way. "But you just want to put us all at risk with your irresponsible behavior!!!" Right... We know about that irresponsibility. It's the kind of irresponsibility where you work for a living to raise and feed yourself and your family. That's selfish and irresponsible. Gotcha.

So when, then - specifically and explicitly - do you think it's going to be OK to get back to some semblance of living? Six months? A year? Eighteen months? Please...give an actual time vs. some generalized comment. No "whenever the politicos and epidemiologists say it's ok!" response. Where's our answer(s) on how the economy is going to come back? And why don't we - as a whole - care about that? It's astonishing to me. There's no "big picture" here any longer.

The damage done to the economy already is devastating. But hey, it's a good thing every company - particularly small companies and independent contractors and/or gig workers - have saved tons of money to carry them through this minor inconvenience. Oh wait - real life doesn't really work that way. These companies will perish. The employees will have to hope they can find new and commensurate jobs. Tough luck for them, though, right? At least we're retired! And no big deal, the Fed will just print trillions of dollars to prop things up.

What I find selfish is people who think nothing of preaching responsibility about what others do vis-à-vis their activities and the virus, yet seemingly don't think one wit about where we're all going to be at that yet undetermined time when people feel they can relax the hunkering down. You should try to envision that. It's not going to be pretty.

I know, I know...cue the "the economy doesn't matter if you're dead!" remarks. Add to that the "you don't have the right to infect me!" comments. Expected. But there are many daily activities that entail risks of sorts that we think nothing of. We engage in them because they are part of what encompasses living. Now, what we collectively engage in is fear.

Many of us don't do anything to keep our own bodies in shape - thereby increasing the odds that we'll succumb to some medical malady, virus-related or not. But hey, don't risk my life by potentially spreading that virus! If I want to be overweight, drink and smoke, that's my choice! Of course, your family and friends might think differently.

What there should be is a plan to help protect and sequester the elderly and otherwise vulnerable, while allowing younger people to go back to work. Keep this in place until there is that vaccine. It's a sensible - and reasonable - compromise.

Yeah, I'm just someone else worrying about that little thing called the economy. I just don't grasp what's really important. Who needs an economy, anyway? What am I thinking? We'll all be fine.

Dr Boogie, IMHO, nailed it! Everyone keeps slamming "the government" and praising "the doctors and science/data"? Well, in case you weren't sure, Dr Birx, and Dr Fauci ARE the government. They are both employed by the government. AND, like some/many politicians, got some predictions WRONG?! Of course, everyone jumps on the politicians early predictions(especially ones they despise), but completely ignore the earlier comments those doctors(i.e. advisors) predicted?! This is all new to us. And it becomes challenging when we're dealing with people dying, and the economy also causing it's severe affliction to this country. And when you have mucho advisors telling you various things, it becomes even more difficult. Of course, there's no shortage of Monday Morning Quarterbacks, who knew it all along. Right! Let's just pray we get thru this whole again. Amen!

NO. It is not the 5% with underlying conditions. NO. NO. NO. It is all people over 65. 80% of people who have died from Covid-19 are the elderly, folks over 65, and the older the higher the risk goes, whether or not they have underlying conditions, which most people do have. High blood pressure? Overweight? Do not exercise enough? I keep hearing people assume they are safe because they have no "underlying conditions" but if you are living here you are old enough to be in the high risk group.

Looks like the mostly deadly places are jails and nursing homes where people are enclosed. So going out may be the best solution. Like Braveheart, F R E E D O M!