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boxcarwilly 05-11-2020 06:00 PM

Am i legally obligated to pay property taxes missed by the title co.?
 
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

Jayhawk 05-11-2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

Is it your debt? If it is, I think you know what to do.

retiredguy123 05-11-2020 06:13 PM

If you owed the taxes on a property you owned, then, I would think you are obliged to pay the tax. Just because they made a mistake doesn't relieve you of the tax liability. But, as far as putting a lien on your house in The Villages, that sounds like a premature threat. They would need to sue you, get a judgement, and then, if you don't pay the judgement, they can try to seize any assets you own as part of a collection process, to include a lien on your Villages house. But, if you really owe the tax, and they made an honest mistake, the best thing to do is to pay the tax.

rustyp 05-11-2020 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

Ask your lawyer. Are you really going to take advice from an internet blog ?

kathyspear 05-11-2020 07:42 PM

One of the many documents we signed during each of our home sales/purchases states that if an error is made and we owe money, we will pay it. I suspect you signed something similar. Check your documents.

kathy

villagetinker 05-11-2020 08:07 PM

I would have thought they would have had some from of a performance clause (like H&R Block has) where they would be liable for this, HOWEVER, you are dealing with lawyers, a fight you probably cannot win. IMHO, the taxes must be paid, if you can find someone with a legal background to look at your agreement with your "title company" thay may be able to tell you if this is worth pursuing, but I doubt it.

Marathon Man 05-11-2020 08:14 PM

Do you actually owe the taxes?

Stu from NYC 05-11-2020 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1763398)
Do you actually owe the taxes?

Agreed are the taxes from the period you own the home? Would think if you owe it than you might want to discuss with attorney to determine your liability.

boxcarwilly 05-11-2020 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1763398)
Do you actually owe the taxes?

Confirming tax status with the city asap.

Topspinmo 05-11-2020 09:24 PM

Lawyers and law? (who makes them Bottom line you pay! If it was me I would pay it quickly before they start adding fees.

biker1 05-12-2020 04:53 AM

This should be a simple question for a lawyer.

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.


Maryc7878 05-12-2020 05:44 AM

If you were living in the home for Half the year, you owe Half the taxes.

Mosells 05-12-2020 05:48 AM

Does the title company have O & E insurance ( omissions and errors) ? If so that insurance should kick in. We’re not talking about 15 thousand dollars. After all is said and done you would have paid the tax owed through the closing of your home, so instead of paying it then, pay it now. No one is entitled to a free ride.

Daxdog 05-12-2020 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

Not really a question to ask here, maybe ask a Tax Attorney!

jeffy 05-12-2020 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1763389)
One of the many documents we signed during each of our home sales/purchases states that if an error is made and we owe money, we will pay it. I suspect you signed something similar. Check your documents.

kathy

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stadry 05-12-2020 05:58 AM

are you legally obligated ? yes ! are you morally & ethically obligated ? depends. this is a questions only you must answer. by asking your original question, it certainly influences my opinion as it obviously does w/others. big deal, right ?
all that being said, probably the worst that can happen is your credit score will suffer a ding or 2. the cost of collecting $ 1,500 interstate isn't worth the effort. this debt will likely be assigned/sold to a collection agency for $ 1.00 & you'll occasionally receive 'pay up' letters. you can ignore them until the 1 that says 'see you in florida court !'
caution: IF you make a partial payment, a court would view that as confirmation & admission of debt thereby strengthening their claim.

then again, i suspect you know the answer & have all along

dewilson58 05-12-2020 05:59 AM

It all depends on what the buy/sell agreement states.
+99% of the doc's indicate the seller is liable thru date of sale.
However, everything is negotiable during a buy/sell and it is possible you do not.
The City/County won't come after you, they look to the current owner.
(Not legal advice)

jay425 05-12-2020 06:00 AM

Lawyers have Errors & Omissions Insurance to handle this. Its their mistake not yours. They presented a closing statement and that's that.

Two Bills 05-12-2020 06:04 AM

TOTV is also able to answer questions on DIY brain surgery, haemorrhoid removal. teeth ectractions etc.
No need to go to anyone whose actual expertise is the subject in question!:icon_wink:

Dana1963 05-12-2020 06:23 AM

We had a similar circumstance in Florida Collier County a tax lien on a property purchase there was a missed on title search and Collier County billed us. Our Closing Attourney and Realtor forced it back to the Title Company and it was paid by them. Was there a title search done on property sale? That may be why its called Title Insurance.

fastboat 05-12-2020 07:05 AM

The tax man NEVER goes away empty handed.

ficoguy 05-12-2020 07:16 AM

It may not have showed up in the search. But if the previous owner did not pay it, its yours to keep - maybr an attorney could make a threat but it wouldn't be worth the money

davem4616 05-12-2020 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.


have a conversation with an attorney from the state that you left and do the right thing

trying to do battle with a legal firm by yourself is akin to going to a gun fight with a knife

nn0wheremann 05-12-2020 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

You would do well to hire a lawyer to review your contract, and see what exactly it says your obligation is. Problem is that you might spend a third of what they say you owe to avoid paying, or to find out you have to pay after all. It is a roll of the dice.

neilbcox 05-12-2020 07:36 AM

Title companies are licensed...file a complaint with the licensing board. In the meantime pay the bill.

Stu from NYC 05-12-2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1763486)
TOTV is also able to answer questions on DIY brain surgery, haemorrhoid removal. teeth ectractions etc.
No need to go to anyone whose actual expertise is the subject in question!:icon_wink:

Darn thought this was a one place fits all place to ask questions

Alaska Butch 05-12-2020 08:00 AM

Maine Taxes
 
[QUOTE=boxcarwilly;1763360]Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in Advance”

Yes. I suspect you do. I once closed on a home and the county clerk came after me the next tax year fir the taxes.

wamley 05-12-2020 08:01 AM

I think they call it TITLE INSURANCE for a reason. But state tot sate they may not include taxes.

karostay 05-12-2020 08:04 AM

It will not go away just continue to build late charges pay asap
Been there done that

HimandMe 05-12-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

I don’t think most of would say let others pay the debt if you know it is yours.

retiredguy123 05-12-2020 08:22 AM

It sounds pretty clear that the closing attorney made a mistake and that you owe the tax. I would pay the tax and forget about it. You will sleep better.

Shacarr 05-12-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

The right thing to do is pay the back property taxes. You signed affidavits at closing stating that your condo was free and clear of all liens. Even tho the title company
inadvertently missed the back taxes it was your responsibility to mention at closing.

Sandy and Ed 05-12-2020 08:36 AM

Your question regards "legal" responsibility and does not ask about the more important question of "moral" responsibility. Did you own the realty for the period that the taxes cover? If so, you should pay your taxes. Not acceptable to saddle the new owners of the property with your tax debt. Unless of course somehow the tax debt was disclosed as an offset of some type. I am not an attorney just trying to follow the logic of your question which would otherwise seem to have a simple answer: pay the bill.

bagboy 05-12-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1763389)
One of the many documents we signed during each of our home sales/purchases states that if an error is made and we owe money, we will pay it. I suspect you signed something similar. Check your documents.

kathy

Yes, simple and straight forward answer.

Scorpyo 05-12-2020 08:49 AM

Pay It
 
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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

Let's see, what's the worst that could happen it you paid it. You'd be paying a debt you incurred. What the worst that could happen if you don't pay it. Collectors, aggravation, maybe a judgement, a negative on your credit, legal fees if you want legal advice, more aggravation. So, if you have the time and stomach don't pay.
If I'm not mistaken Title Insurance covers the buyer. If they find liens later then they pay or correct them. It doesn't protect the seller. So, read your documents carefully. If you cannot find something obvious that excludes you from liability then I'd pay but again, if you like drama don't pay and go for it.

erojohn 05-12-2020 08:50 AM

I would say your liability is to the taxing authority not the title company. The taxing authority will be the ones that come after you. They will get their due.

bebemary 05-12-2020 08:50 AM

Paying taxes missed by the title company
 
Are you honest or not ? If honest pay what is rightfully your bill.

Tennisbum 05-12-2020 08:51 AM

taxes
 
If you look through the reams of paperwork you signed at closing you will find a "Tax Re-Proration Agreement" (or something close) that states that the closing agent is not liable for additional taxes. The actual taxes is different then stated will be adjusted between the two parties. You will owe something, just pay and move on.

Fred2016 05-12-2020 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

Did you pay for title insurance during your sale? If you did that is on them not you.

soniak4@gmail.com 05-12-2020 08:56 AM

This is an easy one: If you have any morals, you will pay it because you have an obligation to pay it.


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