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CarolSells 05-30-2020 03:44 PM

Obvious End To The Mask Controversy
 
I think we beat this to death.

CFrance 05-30-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1773903)
So, after a gazillion posts pro and con to wearing a mask, I don’t believe that we have swayed anyone to our side, pro or con.

How about the compromise could be that people who are leery of mingling with non-maskers at rec centers , etc. could wear their masks AND face shields. They seem to be able to stop “stuff” going both in and out. Plus, the mask could be also worn to guard against anti-gravity droplets which might drift upwards under the face shield.

Your thoughts?

Okay, I'll bite. When even FOX News reports that wearing a mask is effective Wearing a surgical mask can reduce coronavirus transmission by up to 75 percent, study says | Fox News why should I have to wear a face shield because others won't wear a mask?


I might add this, although I haven't researched where it came from.

CarolSells 05-30-2020 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 1774006)
My thoughts? If I was incapable of selling my own home I would consider Carol. She sounds reasonable.

Thank you.

Girlcopper 05-31-2020 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1773903)
So, after a gazillion posts pro and con to wearing a mask, I don’t believe that we have swayed anyone to our side, pro or con.

How about the compromise could be that people who are leery of mingling with non-maskers at rec centers , etc. could wear their masks AND face shields. They seem to be able to stop “stuff” going both in and out. Plus, the mask could be also worn to guard against anti-gravity droplets which might drift upwards under the face shield.

Your thoughts?

My final thoughts on this. If a certain place mandates a mask, wear it. If a place doesnt mandate masks and you want to wear one. Your choice. If youre uncomfortable that others arent, then find another business to patronize. Simple and easy. But your choice may not be mine. Also, Yes, I forgot about the floor arrows in publix. Yes, I went the wrong way up the aisle where not one other person was in that aisle. No need to be so nasty as I EXIT the aisle and try to lecture me. Your pompous attitude isnt becoming

sdeikenberry 05-31-2020 04:59 AM

I find it curious we accept other impairments meant to keep us safe such as being screened for airline flights, being screened to enter government buildings, non-smoking laws, obeying traffic laws, etc...the list goes on...but somehow find wearing a mask impinges our liberties. The reason to wear a mask is to protect others as much as to protect yourself. How is that unreasonable?

coffeebean 05-31-2020 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1773998)
Okay, I'll bite. When even FOX News reports that wearing a mask is effective Wearing a surgical mask can reduce coronavirus transmission by up to 75 percent, study says | Fox News why should I have to wear a face shield because others won't wear a mask?


I might add this, although I haven't researched where it came from.

I saw the same information but with a different graphic.

ColdNoMore 05-31-2020 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1774046)
I find it curious we accept other impairments meant to keep us safe such as being screened for airline flights, being screened to enter government buildings, non-smoking laws, obeying traffic laws, etc...the list goes on...but somehow find wearing a mask impinges our liberties.

The reason to wear a mask is to protect others as much as to protect yourself. How is that unreasonable?


You've very succinctly nailed it. :thumbup:

I'll never understand those who believe they're special and entitled...and only have to think of themselves.
:ohdear:

coffeebean 05-31-2020 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1774046)
I find it curious we accept other impairments meant to keep us safe such as being screened for airline flights, being screened to enter government buildings, non-smoking laws, obeying traffic laws, etc...the list goes on...but somehow find wearing a mask impinges our liberties. The reason to wear a mask is to protect others as much as to protect yourself. How is that unreasonable?

My thoughts are the reason to wear a mask is to stop this damn virus from spreading. Let's stop it in its tracks and wearing masks can achieve that.

Chrisw2366 05-31-2020 05:25 AM

It all comes down is respect for self and others. It not going to hurt anyone to wear a mask when one cannot stay 6 feet apart. Cdc can not be that far wrong

coffeebean 05-31-2020 05:41 AM

There are establishments that will not allow you to enter without a mask. For example:

The Sprint store on 441 in Lady Lake keeps their door locked with a huge sandwich sign stating you must wear a mask to enter the store and an associate will be with you in a moment. When a rep in the store sees someone standing at the door, the rep goes out of the store through the back door and walks to the front of the store to talk to the prospective customer. One prospective customer had to go home to get her mask before she was allowed into the store. She came back 15 minutes later with a mask and was then allowed in the store.

So......always have a mask handy even if you are against mask wearing. OR.....don't give that establishment your business.

Leadbone1 05-31-2020 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1773903)
So, after a gazillion posts pro and con to wearing a mask, I don’t believe that we have swayed anyone to our side, pro or con.

How about the compromise could be that people who are leery of mingling with non-maskers at rec centers , etc. could wear their masks AND face shields. They seem to be able to stop “stuff” going both in and out. Plus, the mask could be also worn to guard against anti-gravity droplets which might drift upwards under the face shield.

Your thoughts?

Can’t believe we’re still talking about this. Wearing a mask cannot be mandated. It is not a law. A world renowned epidemiologist indicated that because of the size of the virus it can go right through any mask. Even an N 95 mask. It’s a microbe! The only value of a mask is psychological. You don’t wear a mask during flu season do you? Since we now know this virus has virtually the same mortality rate as the flu why are we still talking about this? I cannot believe the paranoia about this virus has lasted this long. The media obviously did a great job of scaring people to death to the point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore.

DecaturFargo 05-31-2020 05:55 AM

How are you enjoying the Kool-aid?

Travelingal702 05-31-2020 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1774067)
Can’t believe we’re still talking about this. Wearing a mask cannot be mandated. It is not a law. A world renowned epidemiologist indicated that because of the size of the virus it can go right through any mask. Even an N 95 mask. It’s a microbe! The only value of a mask is psychological. You don’t wear a mask during flu season do you? Since we now know this virus has virtually the same mortality rate as the flu why are we still talking about this? I cannot believe the paranoia about this virus has lasted this long. The media obviously did a great job of scaring people to death to the point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore.

BRAVO!!! Well said.

DanBrew 05-31-2020 06:06 AM

Paranoia strikes deep. Into your mind it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line and the man comes and takes you away.

raindrop49 05-31-2020 06:08 AM

Wrong way aisles in stores
 
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1774042)
My final thoughts on this. If a certain place mandates a mask, wear it. If a place doesnt mandate masks and you want to wear one. Your choice. If youre uncomfortable that others arent, then find another business to patronize. Simple and easy. But your choice may not be mine. Also, Yes, I forgot about the floor arrows in publix. Yes, I went the wrong way up the aisle where not one other person was in that aisle. No need to be so nasty as I EXIT the aisle and try to lecture me. Your pompous attitude isnt becoming

If I find that I am going the wrong way in an aisle I just turn my car t around so I am going the right way. :)

Oregon47 05-31-2020 06:11 AM

To get a professional’s perspective go to YouTube and watch “em:rap“. A weekly broadcast review of current conditions, treatments and issues for/by medical professionals. It might change your opinion.

RuthA 05-31-2020 06:39 AM

Since a virus can pass thru a mask much like a mosquito thru a chain link fence, wearing a mask is ludicrous except to make you feel better. Especially wearing one outside in the heat and humidity where even the "experts" say the virus can only survive for a minute and a half. Wearing a mask causes you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide and inhibits your own immune system. But, hey, it is a free world (at least it used to be), so wear a mask if you want. Just stop condemning other who refuse to fall for this nonsense.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-31-2020 06:42 AM

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why should I have to wear a face shield because others won't wear a mask?
For the same reason that you wear a seat belt and take other precautions because of the actions or non actions of other people.

The key phrase here is "have to wear". You don't have to wear it. It's your choice but unless you want a law created mandating the wearing of masks, there are still going to be people that won't wear one. In fact even is a law were passed, there would still be people that break the law.

If you're that concerned about something, then you take whatever actions necessary to protect yourself.

Klatu 05-31-2020 06:46 AM

From what I hear regarding the mask quarrel, some folks feel it is necessary in order to stop the virus. Hold the presses: we are not going to STOP the virus, any more than we stop the flu, colds, etc. All these "If just 75% of the people wore masks, we could defeat this virus in X weeks" are nonsense to me. We can slow the spread, we can mitigate the spread but we will not stop it. AND the young, the healthy are not likely to die from it, so if they contract it, they will be laid low for a while and then be immune. The elderly who are healthy are more vulnerable and require wearing masks themselves if they are diabetic, frail or very immune compromised. So bottom line. If you are young and healthy and walking around, you don't necessarily need a mask unless you are serving others and could infect others. If you are outdoors and not face to face with people, you don't need to be paranoid about a mask. If you are in a store, you should wear one if required. Outside, hot weather and slight wind reduce the danger from droplets dramatically.

As for the demand that everyone wear masks, it's created a kind of Mask Nazi crowd that goes crazy if they see people without masks. We should not surrender our personal freedom and liberty except in the most dire, and temporary circumstances. Or, simply put: I am not going to surrender my choice simply because you are terrified, unless you can convince me your terror is based on facts -- not "estimates" or "experts' (who often are wildly wrong) or "the need of the group" (the group always is composed of people who want to dictate what other do to make them feel virtuous). Let's lower the terror meter folks and be suspicious of all the wild claims we here.

Jacob85 05-31-2020 06:51 AM

Where do you get a face shield?

Cheapbas 05-31-2020 07:03 AM

Actually that sounds selfish. How about “mask up or don’t show up” as my compromise. Your proposal shows no effort of your part To be courteous to your neighbors, and while very convenient to you, proposes the rest of us walk around like hockey goalies.

You wear sunglasses don’t you? A mask isn’t a big deal.

CarolSells 05-31-2020 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1774109)
Where do you get a face shield?

Amazon, Home Depot, just to name a few.

Bay Kid 05-31-2020 07:12 AM

I guess we should have been wearing mask for years.

Lindsyburnsy 05-31-2020 07:12 AM

If our leaders all made a point of wearing masks, then way more people would be wearing masks. Sending out mixed messages, wear a mask, but then don't wear them yourself, will keep us in this limbo about masks. Kids are taking bulletproof backpacks to school, are subjected to regular shooting drills and have to go through metal detectors EVERY DAY and you can't wear a simple mask for a few hours while in public?

HelenLCSW 05-31-2020 07:15 AM

Same mortality rate?
 
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1774067)
Can’t believe we’re still talking about this. Wearing a mask cannot be mandated. It is not a law. A world renowned epidemiologist indicated that because of the size of the virus it can go right through any mask. Even an N 95 mask. It’s a microbe! The only value of a mask is psychological. You don’t wear a mask during flu season do you? Since we now know this virus has virtually the same mortality rate as the flu why are we still talking about this? I cannot believe the paranoia about this virus has lasted this long. The media obviously did a great job of scaring people to death to the point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore.

Don’t you know any healthcare providers? They will all tell you this virus is more dangerous than the yearly flu. Why do you think more people need to be hospitalized— more people are showing organ damage subsequent to having it than with regular flu (which doesn’t cause organ damage). Why do you think hospital nurses are scared and anxious —concerned about having been exposed to patients with it —afraid of bringing it home to loved ones.
We know this virus is far more dangerous than the yearly flu —ask anyone who has had both!

USA2170 05-31-2020 07:19 AM

Well said....

toeser 05-31-2020 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1773903)
So, after a gazillion posts pro and con to wearing a mask, I don’t believe that we have swayed anyone to our side, pro or con.

How about the compromise could be that people who are leery of mingling with non-maskers at rec centers , etc. could wear their masks AND face shields. They seem to be able to stop “stuff” going both in and out. Plus, the mask could be also worn to guard against anti-gravity droplets which might drift upwards under the face shield.

Your thoughts?

Did you see where the W.H.O. just threw a log on the fire by coming out with guidelines that only people who are sick or treating the sick would benefit from wearing a mask?

Bill1701 05-31-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by raindrop49 (Post 1774080)
If I find that I am going the wrong way in an aisle I just turn my car t around so I am going the right way. :)

I turn mine around and walk backwards.

Isabellejean 05-31-2020 07:36 AM

So you refuse to wear a mask. If you get Covid and need hospital care do you plan to go there and expose the staff and the hospital and then their families to covid? If you don't want to be part of the community response then don't use the community facilities. My family member works on a Covid unit and has an immuno compromised child. Don't ask her to care for you because you won't wear a mask.

jbcincy 05-31-2020 07:45 AM

Thanks....‼️

CarolSells 05-31-2020 07:55 AM

To all of the people who have responded to this post who apparently lack reading comprehension skills I would like to point out that I mentioned that the face shield, as an alternative form of PPE, blocks germs going in BOTH directions! That would seem to suggest that the wearer is being proactive in protecting their self as opposed to the ridiculous argument that one is being protected by another person’s mask.

Have all of you mask police been out and about and done much observing of the way that many of the virtuous, ever-so-thoughtful people in masks are using and wearing them? Many are around chins and worn with noses sticking out. I saw a man in Walmart pull his mask down to pick his nose! Many wearers are constantly adjusting their masks thereby touching their faces which renders it useless.

And, I find the references to my profession totally tasteless.

smacquart 05-31-2020 07:56 AM

Pro face masks!!!

cheweycat 05-31-2020 07:58 AM

It makes me angry that the idea of protecting others by wearing a mask is not understood. Politics and freedoms don’t prevent you from landing in the hospital on a ventilator.

UpNorth 05-31-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1774067)
Can’t believe we’re still talking about this. Wearing a mask cannot be mandated. It is not a law. A world renowned epidemiologist indicated that because of the size of the virus it can go right through any mask. Even an N 95 mask. It’s a microbe! The only value of a mask is psychological. You don’t wear a mask during flu season do you? Since we now know this virus has virtually the same mortality rate as the flu why are we still talking about this? I cannot believe the paranoia about this virus has lasted this long. The media obviously did a great job of scaring people to death to the point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore.

True. Too many people getting the hyped up news stories from the mainstream media., Kill your TV before it kills you.

kendi 05-31-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1773998)
Okay, I'll bite. When even FOX News reports that wearing a mask is effective Wearing a surgical mask can reduce coronavirus transmission by up to 75 percent, study says | Fox News why should I have to wear a face shield because others won't wear a mask?


I might add this, although I haven't researched where it came from.

Why should others wear a mask because you won't wear a face shield? If understand the OP correctly, her point is that we don't have control over others, only ourselves. Doing what we need to do to take care of ourselves while being respectful of others who think different is the key. It does no good to lecture, criticize and even insult others like we've heard time and again. Actually, behaving this way only adds to the problem.

JoelJohnson 05-31-2020 08:13 AM

Don't be fooled by the wrong percentage of the death rate. It's very simple, take total outcomes, there are only two, which is number recovered plus number of deaths. Then divide total number of deaths by total outcomes: appx. 540,000 recovered, 100,000 dead = 640,000 outcomes. (100,000 / 640,000) * 100 = 15.6%.
THAT'S why we need to wear masks!

BTW, number of tested is meaningless because we will not know the total outcome until weeks later.

Eg_cruz 05-31-2020 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1774046)
I find it curious we accept other impairments meant to keep us safe such as being screened for airline flights, being screened to enter government buildings, non-smoking laws, obeying traffic laws, etc...the list goes on...but somehow find wearing a mask impinges our liberties. The reason to wear a mask is to protect others as much as to protect yourself. How is that unreasonable?

Well said

Marykess1802 05-31-2020 08:16 AM

You go girl!

Joe C. 05-31-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill1701 (Post 1774155)
I turn mine around and walk backwards.

And I thought I was the only one. Well HEY! I must be in good company!!:a040:

Joe C. 05-31-2020 08:24 AM

I am responsible to protect myself as I see fit.
The same goes for you.
How we go about it may not be the same way.
If I am lax about it, I will suffer the consequences.
If I over do it, then I am wasting time, money, convenience and comfort.

Same goes for you.
Don't worry about others.
Take care of yourself.


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