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Police Unions
Putting aside those who are against unions in general, but embrace and support police unions, here's a very good analysis/editorial of a big part of the problem...of rooting out and permanently getting rid of the 1% (or less) of bad cops.
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You could say that about any union. Especially the ones that buy career politicians for votes in their interests.
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I also speak from 35+ years experience...in regards to dealing with unions.
Early in my career, I was a union steward who was even sent to a week school outside of Seattle...to be "trained." A lot of what I heard in that week, is what began making me see my particular union...in a different light. What was hammered into us, was the fact that we were legally obligated to defend even the "problem children"...as hard as we could. That didn't make sense to me...but the law was the law. What I did receive, from our local union President, was some very sage advice. His attitude was that although we were required to defend the union members, there are some that you "don't have to get up early or stay up late...in their defense." Later on in my career, when I had worked my way up through the system and had become a senior manager, I was on the other side of the table and negotiated a number of CBA's...with three separate unions. The old president of my union at the time when I was a steward, had retired and the new/younger group(s) (all 3 unions), did not have the same wisdom and didn't bother to differentiate between the employee that was in a hearing for the umpteenth time...and the one that simply made a mistake. Needless to say, they were not usually happy when I was at the table, because I often knew their argument and strategy...before they even expressed it. :D Our standard punishment for a serious rules infraction conviction...was 30 days off without pay. Recognizing that the time off didn't just affect them, but also affected their families and family finances, I often proposed an "alternative discipline" in cases...where the employee wasn't a constant problem child. My proposed alternative discipline consisted of determining how much money they would lose with the 30 days off and offering them to keep working, at a lower rate, that would in effect make them pay the same amount of money they would lose...but to do it over a period of up to year. Since this allowed the employee to keep working and getting a regular paycheck, albeit less than they would normally receive... about 80% accepted this alternative discipline. The other 20% were financially OK and were actually happy...to have the 30 day "vacation." Anyway, I saw it as a win-win...for both sides. I didn't have to replace the employee and the employee was able to continue to pay their bills...even if it meant that they might have to tighten their belts a bit. My long-winded point is, that I believe we need more "out-of-the-box" thinking with police unions...if we're going to solve this issue. |
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You're not the only one who knows about unions, has been a member, has been an officer, has been involved in a job action!!! Been There - Done That - You're not going to change Unions when they provide protection for the work force.
When I was a controller and you were involved in an accident. The NTSB, the FAA, the Aircrafts owners/operators and the Controllers Union would all investigate. If the aircraft crashed because the controller made an error, that's what the FAA's report would read. If the controller was working three sectors combined without a coordinator or hand-off man, or there was poor radar coverage in that area, or whatever the extenuating factors were, that's what the Union's report would read. Then the NTSB would sort it out. If not for the union, the Controller would hang!! https://www.rwf2000.com/zau/gifs3/_0ATC001.jpg https://www.rwf2000.com/zau/gifs3/_Patco4.jpg https://www.rwf2000.com/zau/gifs3/_0ATCA1.jpg https://historythings.com/wp-content...ers-strike.jpg |
THAT explains a lot. :1rotfl:
Not a real Reagan fan...I presume? :D And I've never said..."I'm the only one." :oops: |
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It was actually about 13,000 that went on strike and a little more than 11,000 that were fired...but don't let those pesty facts get in the way.
The firing of the ATC's was also, the beginning of a long, coordinated, game of reducing the power of union's that has (unfortunately in a lot of cases)...worked quite successfully. I'm sure it is just a pure coincidence, that the massive reduction in union membership has had a direct opposite effect...of the profits going to the top 10%. |
Ever hear of the AMA push for bad doctors losing their license to practice? Yeah me either. When was the last time that the Bar Association worked to get an unscrupulous lawyer debarred? How many times has our congress over looked or justified egregious behavior of their own? Sounds like a "systemic" problem to me.
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You mean just like....nahhh never mind. :oops: Just the thought of it...sickens me. :mad: |
Some teachers in NYC could not be fired but could not be trusted with children.
They were sent to an office somewhere and got to read or waste the day and got paid. The union would not allow them to be fired so they were paid to do nothing. |
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Pretty much not true. The majority of Federal tax revenues come from individual Federal income tax which are paid directly to the Federal Government. Payroll taxes are the next biggest chunk of Federal tax revenue and that also goes directly to the Federal Government. The states don't collect those taxes. It would be true to say that higher income individuals, regardless of where they live, pay more taxes because the tax system is progressive. Some blue states have serious financial problems because of poor management.
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Hey, you mentioned teachers unions I didn’t. Sorry clicked on wrong post somehow |
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Sorry members we did our best, meanwhile the pink slips follow. The Big Shot's ? Retired somewhere warm and sunny. Living the good life. The members ? Who knows , Who cares. |
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A more accountable police force equals a more accountable public. Think about it.
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Lol really .... I hardly think they have the same capital as a corporate lobbyist. I would suspect 90 % of the politician’s today are owned by several companies and or counties. I really don’t believe unions have enough money to compete.
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Teachers don’t normally have to deal with criminals or wrestle with gangbangers and
all sorts of armed bad guys on the street everyday. The police have a hard job. Without the support of governmental leaders, we won’t have anyone willing to do the job. Who you gonna call...Ghostbusters?! |
Teachers don’t normally have to deal with criminals or wrestle with gangbangers and
all sorts of armed bad guys on the street everyday. The police have a hard job. Without the support of governmental leaders, we won’t have anyone willing to do the job. Who you gonna call...Ghostbusters?! |
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Unions?
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Unions and management suck
Unions got workers healthcare and $60 an hour .
But unions killed GM and Chrysler etc . you see there is no middle ground to be fair in business or public works . everyone wants MORE . you can say because of unions and over regulation , China has succeeded in taking over our manufacturing. |
Attitude change needed
Retrain and instill a new (old) attitude through the ranks.
Job should be to “Protect and SERVE” Not just “Law Enforcement” Huge difference Andy G didnt usually carry a gun but got his job done. Stop dressing and arming officers to look like storm troopers |
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union hides the crooked cops. go figure.
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The whole argument is moot. The Supreme Court has held that monetary contributions are protected free speech. Until that decision is overturned the only real solution is for the electorate to vote in governors/mayors/councilmen (and women)/sheriffs who will implement reforms that outlaw bad behavior, negotiate CBAs that permit dismissal of bad actors and revoke laws that make it impossible to prosecute police whose conduct would put ordinary citizens in jail.
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Actually there are many more lawyers that are disbarred than docs who lose their license. I was in a position where I regularly reviewed state board information for nurses who had licensing issues and there were pages in the state who were in trouble. Never were there any docs in trouble because they never policed their own. When I heard them complain about the cost of malpractice insurance, I always told them to police their profession and the cost would drop.
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Bill Clinton was disbarred and paid a fine as well
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Unions haven't "killed GM and Chrysler etc". This is a totally one-sided argument & completely exonerates the U.S. auto companies for their uninspiring design & poor business decisions from the 60's onward that concentrated on profitability to the detriment of innovation, quality and design. Unions aren't blameless in regards to the higher costs per vehicle, but dropping it all on their laps is pure BS. |
That’s a broad generalization!
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Another broad generalization. The topic is Police Unions.
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Yes, and I saw ir on Fox news. LOL
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