Minneapolis City Council members intend to defund & dismantle the city's police dept
 

"We committed to dismantling policing as we know it in the city of Minneapolis and to rebuild with our community a new model of public safety that actually keeps our community safe," Council President Lisa Bender told CNN

"(We need) to listen, especially to our black leaders, to our communities of color, for whom policing is not working and to really let the solutions lie in our community," she said.

Minneapolis police: City Council members announce intent to defund the police department - CNN

Here's a video of Minneapolis destruction during riots, is this what their city council is "listening" to?

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There are small towns that have no police department of their own. They rely on community programs for deterrence, such as education, block watches, food voucher systems and pantries for anyone who needs, shelter for the homeless, and so on. The crime in those areas aren't all that high to begin with, and a community safety program works for them.

But if you go back to the Constitution, you'll see that this system is built right into our country's code of law: Amendment 2A.

The right to a well-armed militia. That doesn't need to be a municipal police department and in fact, it doesn't mean that at all. It refers very specifically to the community itself, working together to create a protection against threats to the community. That can be threats that come from within, or from the government itself.

The well-armed militia is free of the government. It is NOT part of the government. This is intentional - so that in case the government becomes tyrannical, fascist, or begins attacking citizens who are *not* violating any laws at the time of the attack, the well-armed militia can stand up against the government and put them back in their place. Their place is - serving the citizens. Period.

So if the well armed militia was present during the riots, you are okay with them mowing down the looters and arsonists with AR 15s? I think we should think that over before implementation.

Yep. That will work well in Chicago.

Honestly Interested
 

I am honestly interested as to how essentially firing the police and developing a new system of civil control will fix the Black victim problem? Since the basis for these protests are predicated on a victim mentality and decades of providing public housing and financial give away programs has not worked? I believe the recovery program for blacks that have been mistreated for decades by taking away the dignity of the family by providing everything free to settle our conscience has been a dismal failure. It has led to fathers leaving their family and mothers left to raise the children. It has led to families having more children in order to get more free government support. One bad step that was made was not to build into a support program the basic need for dignity. That's another way of providing a "give away program" without requiring employment and work. Going back to Roosevelt he at least built a WPA program and had the disadvantaged work which protected their
rights for dignity and at the same time provided meaningful support for the communities they worked in. Give away programs do not work. The quicker we recognize that the better it will be! We almost have to start from a ground "0" because there essentially are no programs in place to provide and demand work for a fair days wages. Lets go to things that work and not try to bring order to communities using the same old failure methods. We need
infrastructure fixed including bridges, roads, dams, railroads, etc etc. lets create jobs and employment opportunities for the disadvantage and pay them well for their work but restrict give away programs to the citizens that are truly unable to
work! This practice and programs my start a new way of helping and protecting our land and people. :ho:

This might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

I bet the looters are all for it.

I would like to hear what the advantages are of having no police department/organization.

Because rioters and sign holders and special interests say so does not count.

And I would also like to hear from those recommending eliminating the police, who to call in a life threatening emergency.

I am not looking to be convinced.

I just want to see when the "how stupid is this" light bulb goes on!!!

I can see it all now. Well armed Black Panthers will stand guard at street corners protecting the citizen crack dealers from the fascist government Nazis.

Before Naysayers Get Started
 

To describe a program a little more. There was an area in New York City that was mainly poor, uprising on a constant basis and dangerous to live in. A major corporation set up a manufacturing plant in the center of where the violence was
occurring and mandated that only people from the neighborhood could be hired including Management positions. The corporation also sent 5 of the Managers in this plant to meet with 5 managers from a regular manufacturing location to exchange ideas and to understand each others problems and solutions. The employees of the NY Plant ended up to be fine and dedicated employees and members of the community. They were being respected and they were not rioting and had dignity. This is a true story and the kind of practices that can be employed on a broad basis and start to reduce the violence we currently live under?:ho:

Could happen. Hopefully the voters of Minneapolis will replace their city council at their first opportunity.

Wonder how recall would work?

I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. The idiots elected them to those positions and have repeatedly reelected them. Proves 100% the adage "stupid is as stupid does".

If and when life in the city turns to a disaster change will be forced upon them.

I do not understand the leaders in the city agreeing to this. Incredibly foolish.

This seems ill-conceived at first glance.

I will have to wait and see about the details.

I never liked pandering to a mob whatever their make up is.

Remember last week when you told us nobody was advocating defunding Police?

We don't really know what the city council intends with their vote to "disband" the police department. Camden, NJ did in fact "disband" their police department in 2013 and rebuilt it with a different strategy. Camden still has police, just in a different organizational structure. The articles I have read would suggest that the relationship between the community and police has improved and that crime rates have declined. I am sure there is a lot more information one would need to truly understand if things are better or if they are simply not policing to the same extent.

There is a lot of emotion in today's environment. It will be interesting to see what really happens in Minneapolis. Whatever they do I hope it works out and provides a roadmap for improvements so other cities may follow.

They'll probably just contract with the County Sheriff's Department for law enforcement while they revamp their own department. Other cities have done this in similar situations.

I will have to check that as I do not recall ever writing that.

Now about how this works in the real world. For instance; a person out of his head on PCP is tearing off his clothes and attempting to bite humans in the middle of the market place, does one educate him on the danger of addiction right then? Or should the well-armed militia gently take him to their home?

If for instance, there is a drive by shooting, should the neighbors chase the car and confiscate the guns? Naturally they have passed a no gun ordinance so that no one has guns, but there is a drive by shooting anyway and several bullets went right through the walls and into a child's bedroom and killed the child...……

And what happens if a guy comes into the sister-in-law's flower shop and takes the money out of the til? Does she instruct him to use it for food for his kiddies at home???

I hope I don't get in trouble for this but the truth is that it is framed in snarky sarcasm but I really in my heart want to know how it could work. I think it is a very good idea for the police to have controversial and situations that kill people under review by an impartial party or group. Who would that be???? WHO wouldn't be terribly naïve or extremely callous???

And I think it is wise to educate all law enforcement and first responders about good manners and polite talk and to tell them what sounds racist and what doesn't but more than that, every single person should be wearing a camera and it should be turned on and monitored by anyone who wants to see it at any time. And people should have their law breaking as transparent as can be... if you did time for it, all should know. It can't go just one way. We need to know what our police officers are doing and what our law breakers are doing. We need to see some facts and figures on rehab programs and public service programs to see if they work. We all need to see and to know what is really going on out in the dark and in the inside of homes where people are raping kids and beating each other with tire irons.

I nominate this for best Gracie post ever :bigbow::bigbow:

Sounds like 1984 and Big Brother.

Moderation in all things is the answer except for my post count on Talk of the Villages.

And here is a perfect example of why many cities are trying to find another way to provide an entity... that actually "serves & protects" ALL citizens.

This Philly cop had a large pro-Nazi tattoo, yet the FOP defended his right...to show his hate.

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While this white supremacist and pro-Nazi (you can Google more about him and his affiliations) was finally gotten rid of, why would the police union fight...for this scumbag to keep his job? :ohdear:

And people wonder, why there is such delusion and a lack of confidence toward some police departments...being able to clean their own house? :oops:

Why would protestors and rioters fight for a scumbag like George Floyd who stuck a gun in a pregnant woman's stomach?

Yep, we’ll see how that works out? Rat-at-ta-ta. Wild Wild West....

Yes, and there are some that takes the law I their own hands. Goggle skidmore Missouri and ken Rex McRoy. Big major cities will be killing fields.

I can imagine that right now, going downtown and parking your car and walking to some office building. The gangs and thugs are going to fight over which street is in their territory. There's going to be muggings all day long. Shop owners will have to board up and get out, the cities that are already in distress will become ghost towns. This is probably the worse idea ever known to man!!

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Give away programs do work for elected career officials.

Area policing has never been the same anywhere, since they took police off foot patrols and put them all in cars.
Local police knew their neighborhoods, the people, and most of all the villains.
The spoke daily to the people in their area, built up a relationship, were trusted, and most of all given infomation of dirty deeds in the offing.
Now the police have no contact with Joe Public unless called to a crime scene.
Put them back on foot!!

The sad part is that the minorities are the ones who will lose their jobs as the lawlessness will force store owners and other businesses to move away.

One would have hoped that the people who will be affected by this would rise up and do something to protect their livelihood.

Depending upon the govt to live just condemns generation after generation to a life of poverty.

totally agree with you Stuart....

However, I have to keep remembering that the citizens of this state also voted a former professional wrestler (Jessie "the body" Ventura) in as their governor...and Al Franken, a former comic on Saturday Night Live, as their US Senator....so this is clearly a state where just about anything goes

Kind of remember that good old Jesse even ran for president some years ago.

Good Luck with This!!

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Because this is What You're Going To Get!!!

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What are the Odds this will even be mentioned on CNN or MSNBC? 1000 to 1?

Not part of their agenda so no way do they cover or even mention it.

The criminals are rejoicing.

If they defund the police then it will be chaos and survival of the fittest. They will get exactly what they deserve

A Basic Reason
 

A whole generation has been raised on "entitlements" and they actually believe they are entitled to what you worked for, thus riots and stealing and killing to get it! I don't buy the "victim" answer. How many are on drugs that were bought through dishonest
Doctors providing prescriptions? Or those coming across the borders since there has been a push to let all enter the country and now a huge new entitlement group.. I am concerned for our country and fear this is just the tip of the problems to continue and come. This has manifested itself because we have turned out backs because it had not hit home. Well, the chicken has come home to roost. :ho:

Richmond VA counsel member wants to defund part of the city police and give the to hire someone to go into the poor neighborhoods to TEACH them how to act. That will work well.

All police should call in sick for a few weeks...See how that goes...Just saying

If you defund the police here is what will happen. Crime will rise in the minority neighborhoods. They will suffer. The affluent neighborhoods will be just fine. Fact of life. Crime has already started to climb in NYC because of its policies of no bail. Decent people will no longer become police officers. Why should they?