Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
 

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.

7 months between photos, a lot can happen in 7 months and not part of a conspiracy theory.....just sayin.

Sure it can, it's just curious that Bubba's rope pulldown "noose" was there before and now missing, rope is much shorter etc. Here's a photo of another bay at Talladega with the "noose"

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So, this may be much ado about nothing, a tempest in a teapot or a Smollett style maneuver?

We've seen "Smollett" style "hate crimes" being faked over and over. Student activists hang nooses on their door, write themselves fake hate letters etc so my spidey sense goes on alert every time I hear about one.

Something is very fishy about this one. The guy who discovered the "noose" called Nascar officials immediately and they were first on the scene, before the FBI.

Nascar President Steve Phelps was asked:

Can you confirm, was the rope the rope you would normally use to pull down the garage door?

Phelps: "I'm not sure, I have no information on that"

So none of the Nascar officials that went to the garage described the noose, took a cell photo of it and let Phelps know? I find that hard to believe.

Bubba is an outspoken proponent of Black Lives Matter, sported an "I can't breath tee shirt" which he has every right to do but also means he might want a big noose story in the press. Nascar is reopening with a big new marketing campaign, pushing for a more diverse audience and like many corporations, wants to show how "woke" they are.

If Nascar knew immediately that this was a case of mistaken identity, it was just a standard pulldown rope "noose" then they have perpetrated a fraud on the public by letting the story run. If they did this, they are going to try and cover it up.

ALWAYS a conspiracy theory. The oddball, eccentric, extreme website grind them out with joy.

From the Martin Gugino theory, to murders in Florida committed by newscasters, there is always something.

From pedophiles in a pizza parlor, it simply goes on. From doctored graphs to stolen and edited quotes, there is always something.

The photos on this thread are from a Twitter account called...LAST REFUGE or LAST REFUGE 2, a rag tag group who enjoys this kind of social media.

When I first hear about "the noose" I envisioned a thick rope fashioned into a hangman style noose shockingly hanging from a sturdy rafter inside the garage so that when the door was opened one would be shocked when he saw it hanging down in front of his face. Then I saw the photos of the actual "noose" and literally burst out laughing as it possibly if not likely was simply a loop tied at the end of the pulldown cord at the side of the garage door.

Many occupants of self storage units with pull down doors tie loops at the end of their pull down cords to provide them with a slip free grip. lol

Too, I did not realize Bubba is a fan of BLM, the Burning, Looting Mob. That makes me suspicious this may be just another fake hate crime, and there have been many of them going back over the last few decades.

LOL The 1st photo was taken from a video posted on youtube by Rowdy Maglite posted in 2019, it shows all the garages with rope "noose" pull downs. Take a look for yourself

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The 2nd photo, taken on day of incident, was taken by Racing News and shows the rope has been cut and no "noose"

FBI investigating noose hung in NASCAR garage - Racing News

Lots of hate crimes have been proven to be hoaxes.

If the NOOSECAR does not fit
It's too smollet to acquit

If the noose is too small I smell a snarky Smollett snit.

The Bubba noose is possibly a hoax. Don't know but time will tell.

When Jessie Smollett pulled his hoax, anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature could figure it out. This one somehow seems too perfect in it's timing coupled with the emotional Nascar photo op.

Call me ... skeptical.

*Breaking News*

The FBI just released a statement, that in essence stated...Bubba was NOT the target of a hate crime.

Which, as I said above...is actually a relief. :thumbup:

And I will give it to Goodlife's reports, that it looks like it WAS a door pull rope (that was made to look like a noose sometime last fall and prior to Wallace being assigned the stall at this race)...that was just misconstrued by a crew member.

Good news...all the way around. :cool:

Good news yes but not really ... it shows how easily people's emotions and "feelings" can be manipulated.

Nascar should apologize for being this dumb

DARNED RIGHT!! :mad:

Especially since it's not like there are plenty of the NASCAR base that are livid with the banning of confederate flags and on top of that, it's not like there's ever been a case where a rope noose...has been used to try and intimidate black people. :oops:

What in the heck was NASCAR even thinking? :D


All-in-all though, it IS...a big relief. :thumbup:

Always trust content from Goodlife! Where's my Pulitzer? :icon_wink:

I want to know what Nascar knew, and when they knew it. I think they knew right away but the photo op was too good to pass up

There is a reckoning of a different order due.

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"The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime. The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall. This was obviously well before the 43 team’s arrival and garage assignment."

...so as Roseanne Roseannadanna said. "Oh. That's very different. Never Mind".

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Puhleeze. :1rotfl:

One more time being correct and you'll be tied...with a broken clock. :D

As for a "photo-op," where did you see photos of the rope...in this incident?

Not to mention, why would NASCAR want to bring such negative publicity?

And exactly what is this..."reckoning of a different order due?" :ohdear:

One time? LOL We should have a math and division seminar.

The photo op was all the Nascar drivers pushing Bubba's car in support. Nascar has a new marketing strategy which I explained up thread, they want to attract more diverse fans and like most corps nowadays, want to be perceived as woke.

I need more details on how this "racial hate crime" hoax was spread, who knew what and when they knew it. All someone had to do was look at the other car bays there, they all have "nooses" Could have been solved in 60 seconds.

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A "noose" is only ONE type of a "loop." :oops:

I didn't call it a noose, Nascar, Bubba, and the media did.

That's why I used quotes

Let me help

What do quotes around a word mean?
Quotation marks around single words can occasionally be used for emphasis, but only when quoting a word or term someone else used. Usually, this implies that the author doesn’t agree with the use of the term.

Only about 11-1/2 hours...to go. :1rotfl:

Somebody bought this story hook line and sinker, not me.

Sunday night marked a tipping point for NASCAR. Sunday night, the series disclosed that someone had left a noose — the symbol of this nation’s original sin, the undeniable message of intimidation, a sign so cruel and cutting it defies imagination — in the garage stall of Bubba Wallace, the Cup series’ lone Black driver.

No talk about boy scout knots and loops :ohdear:

Came back to say I am excited this was not a real threat.

Sorry, I am still sick of the constant conspiracy theories.

Some might find it hard to believe but...........me also.

Steve

Well I am sick of the constant race hoaxes.

These garage pull down ropes at Talladega all have "nooses" on them In sixty seconds anyone who saw the pulldown rope or investigating this would have seen this.

Bubba knew this was a hoax
Nascar knew it was a hoax

They wanted to ride the woke train for cash and free publicity. The car walk with all the drivers was planned and staged even though they knew it was a hoax. It was all a show and of course the media outlets like CNN ran with it.

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on those who believe the noose incident was staged: “It’s simple-minded people like that, the ones that are afraid of change, they use everything in their power to defend what they stand up for... instead of trying to listen and understand what’s going on.”

We understand what's going on Bubba, and we learned that you tried to pass off a pull down rope with a loop at the end as full blown hate crime.

Nascar President Steve Phelps: (after FBI said no hate crime)

“We are continuing our investigation as to why there was a rope fashioned into a noose,”

Sure buddy, you knew that Bubba's crew member cut the "noose" from the pull down rope and you also know that every garage bay at Talladega has one just like it. Your company owns the facility. What a joke.

If internet sleuths didn't track down the 2019 video showing all the Talladega garages had pulldown ropes with loops on them this hoax might still be alive. Shame on media like CNN who run anything that fits their agenda and do zero due diligence.

1. Bubba never even saw the noose...it was someone else who saw and reported it. So trying to blame it on him, simply shows exactly what some people have been saying. :oops:

2. People need to educate themselves on the difference between a "loop" and a "noose." They are NOT the same...nor are they tied the same.

3. While every door has a "rope," (probably a lot with some type of "loop" at the end and probably some with a simple knot at the end)...there is NOT a "noose" in every stall at Talladega. That's simply a made up lie...to justify other things.

4. Bucco nailed it about all of the "conspiracies." Most of them seem meant to excuse, what most decent people...find abhorrent. :ohdear:

Instead of buying into conspiracy theories maybe we should admit that there are active racists amongst us who spread hate and anger that I'll affects all of us.

NOOSECAR?

You'll crack me up!

Typical straw man response. The quote you responded to doesn't say Wallace saw the rope.

Thank goodness we have an expert on noose-creation here. By definition, a noose is a loop. What distinguishes it is that it acts like a slipknot and tightens when pulled.

Funny how Wallace is now doubling down on this being a noose, even after the investigation:

Wallace speaking to CNN's Don Lemon

Actually, who cares? Take the news with a grain of salt. Each paper has a different spin on things so read them all if you want, then start your day. No one knows the true stories so? Who cares?...

Sad to see NASCAR stoop to this BLM movement. BLM is a political organization and only uses black lives to fit their narrative, funding, and white guilt. If they cared about black lives they’d be sitting on the steps of Chicago’s city government after this past weekend.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. what is the crime ???

If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. life's full of jerks

If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted. filing a false police report is a crime

Just fake news - no investigation of actual facts.

BLM is a hate group. BUBBA is a representative of BLM. Creating trouble, hate and fear. He is a spoiled kid. Lots of press to promote hate and they will continue to act like spoiled Bubba is a hero. Nascar now has to suck it up and apologize.

This mornings news. According to authorities the noose was probably there for a very long time. Had nothing to do with Bubba. No one would know he was going to use the garage at this time. May have been used to hold something. However instead of being happy it had nothing to do with him and it wasn’t a racist statement directed at him Bubba is still complaining that a noose is a noose. Guess we have to get rid of rope now.

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I must say, I am so very tired of this story. I wake up to a local NewsRadio show every morning. This topic was discussed ad nauseam for over 1/2 hour. OMG. Let's review.

Media - "A NOOSE IS FOUND IN BUBBA WALLACE"S GARAGE AT TELLADAGA!!!
RACIST SYMBOL FOUND IN ONLY BLACK NASCAR DRIVER'S GARAGE" NASCAR AND FBI INVESTIGATING! 15 FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED AND WILL THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE THIS HATE CRIME! NASCAR CHIEF VOWS THAT PERP WILL BE PROCECUTED AS A FEDERAL CRIME!!! ALL DRIVERS BAND TOGETHER IN SORROW FOR BUBBA AND THIS DISPICABLE ACT!!! YET ANOTHER HORRIBLE HATE CRIME IN THE USA!

This went on for days - reporters on site, interviews, parades in support, live coverage nationwide, etc etc. BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!! MEDIA SWARMS all over this topic - RACIST!!!!

...then after days of MEDIA Blitz... never mind, it was just a garage door pull that's been there for 9 months.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Anyone with common sense, looking at the "scene" could see the rope was connected to the door, and would be laying on the ground when the door was closed. It was a common way to close a manual overhead door. Used millions of times over the years (including in my garages at times). Is it a RACIST SYMBOL!!!! nope, just a simple way to attach and use. A call to previous users of this garage would have shown - it's been there for a long time, and NOT put up to harass Bubba or Blacks. period. But - what happens - escalate to the media and the swarm begins. HOURS and HOURS of national/worlwide coverage, creating a swell of anger. ...then "never mind".



“On Monday, fifteen FBI special agents conducted numerous interviews regarding the situation at Talladega Superspeedway. After a thorough review of the facts and evidence surrounding the event, we have concluded that no federal crime was committed.

The FBI learned that garage number 4, where the noose was found, was assigned to Bubba Wallace last week. The investigation also revealed evidence, including authentic video confirmed by NASCAR, that the noose found in garage number 4 was in that garage as early as October 2019. Although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week.

The decision not to pursue federal charges is proper after reviewing all available facts and all applicable federal laws. We offer our thanks to NASCAR, Mr. Wallace and everyone who cooperated with this investigation.”

NASCAR said it was thankful that there was no intentional act committed against Wallace.

“The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime,” the statement reads. “The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall.

“This was obviously well before the 43 team’s arrival and garage assignment. We appreciate the FBI’s quick and thorough investigation and are thankful to learn that this was not an intentional, racist act against Bubba. We remain steadfast in our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all who love racing.”

FBI has said that it was not a hanging noose, but a handle for the roll up door
 

FBI finally finish the investigation and deemed NOT TO BE A HATE CRIME, but a rope to pull down the garage door in case of a power outage!!!!! :boom:

They most likely won't admit it, but this is pretty much a PR nightmare for NASCAR and Wallace. Jumping on the "woke" wagon before any investigation had been completed was a mistake. And now Wallace is essentially continuing to say that this rope was a noose, contrary to all the evidence that has been uncovered.

So, what would the correct way to proceed be, PR-wise? Admit as much, and move on. An apology would serve well, too. But it doesn't look like that (as of this writing) is the strategy. Yeah, I can just picture NASCAR fans cheering how this incident has been publicized, not to mention how Wallace is continuing the "noose" statements even after the FBI has investigated. Oh, I'm sure the spin folks will deflect around it. But it's not a good look.

Well, let's look at the facts. :oops:

Character Attacks (pull here)

The big question is..."why would anyone think fashioning a noose...would be appropriate in the first place?"

Oh yeah, that's right...I know why.

Given the history of racism within NASCAR and the use of nooses by white people to intimidate blacks throughout the history in this country, a lot of people would think it's funny...and no big deal.

Add the unwarranted attempted character assassination of Wallace, the outrage by many of NASCAR'S recent outright ban on confederate flags...I predict we'll see more cretins start coming out of the woodwork than usual. :ohdear:

I'm just grateful that this incident has an explanation...that wasn't driven by hate. :ho:

The noose found in Nascar driver Bubba Wallace's garage on Sunday was actually a handle on a garage door and had been there since last year, an FBI investigation concluded.