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BS Beef 06-27-2020 09:30 AM

Governor shuts down bars
 
When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

John41 06-27-2020 10:02 AM

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

billethkid 06-27-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1793069)
the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

Now if we could only get some attention to the hundreds of thousands of protestors and beach goer violators!!!

Dcurrie911 06-27-2020 10:39 AM

Yes, I find it very concerning. I also found it darn near criminal to shut down small businesses like clothing stores, sporting goods stores, electronic stores because they were non-essential while allowing Walmart to reap the benefit by selling anything they wanted. I can’t imagine how many small businesses have and will go bankrupt because they could not quickly adopt to mail order and WEB sites. Yes, Amazon had already gone a long way in displacing many small businesses, but that was through consumer choice, not government mandate.

While the government has the legal right to shut down businesses for the sake of public health I believe that they made grievous mistakes in what they did and how they did it and I sent serval letters to the Governor stating as much.

billethkid 06-27-2020 10:51 AM

My experience with writing to Desantis is no response. Not even an acknowledgement from his office recognizing a constituent contact.

I have written representatives most of my life time. His void of total lack of response is a first!

tophcfa 06-27-2020 11:15 AM

I assume that would include the walk up bars/kiosks in the town squares if they still plan to start the town square entertainment in early July?

JoMar 06-27-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcurrie911 (Post 1793094)
Yes, I find it very concerning. I also found it darn near criminal to shut down small businesses like clothing stores, sporting goods stores, electronic stores because they were non-essential while allowing Walmart to reap the benefit by selling anything they wanted. I can’t imagine how many small businesses have and will go bankrupt because they could not quickly adopt to mail order and WEB sites. Yes, Amazon had already gone a long way in displacing many small businesses, but that was through consumer choice, not government mandate.



While the government has the legal right to shut down businesses for the sake of public health I believe that they made grievous mistakes in what they did and how they did it and I sent serval letters to the Governor stating as much.

Writing letters to most of government is a waste of time because they recognize it is the writer's opinion only and seen through the writers prism. If they respond it is along the lines of "thank you for your interest". Have yet to ever get a response with a position unless it is part of their campaign. We don't have the data they have so we usually are disregarded. In this case, they needed to made a blanket decision because they can't evaluate every business. Kinda like the rules made at our places of employment, that government (owners, boards of directors etc) made global decisions, they didn't go cube to cube, office to office to see how each would be impacted. Unusual times call for unusual and sometimes drastic actions. They won't please everyone

Gpsma 06-27-2020 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1793037)
When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

No slimgs and arrows from me. If you are afraid of getting infected stay at home. Dont think your mask will protect you.

In this time, you can order anything to your house. So afraid, stay home and order what u need.

dewilson58 06-27-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1793069)
the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.


:bigbow:

billethkid 06-27-2020 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1793295)
No slimgs and arrows from me. If you are afraid of getting infected stay at home. Dont think your mask will protect you.

In this time, you can order anything to your house. So afraid, stay home and order what u need.

The point far too many choose to miss or ignore.....

YOURS WILL!!!!! That's the way it works!!! You are protecting others from yourself....thus helping reduce the spread.

One more time....the issue of staying home is not coincident with being afraid!!! It is the smart thing to do for some and should not be labeled "afraid".

BS Beef 06-27-2020 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1793069)
the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

Making masks mandatory and closing businesses are 2 very different things. I am far more fearful of a government that can wield that kind of arbitrary power than I am of COVID. If I want/need to avoid the the virus I know what to do. I can’t avoid an all powerful government.

Hplaw 06-27-2020 05:43 PM

I see the blame being on bars and punishing businesses by shutting them down "again". I still see no media coverage on the spike being related to all the demonstrators!!!!!!! The demonstrations started a couple of weeks ago, the period for incubating the virus (depending on your source). Now the spikes and punishment goes to business owners and people wanting to enjoy life. Please!!!!! I guess it is not politically correct to point to the demonstrators in the hundreds of thousands, shoulder to shoulder, shouting, many not wearing masks. I support the right to demonstrate peacefully. But we all have been locked down, obeying the orders and moving toward a slow opening. Demonstrations..........but no blame there. Truly disgusting.

eyc234 06-27-2020 06:35 PM

Shut down because most people are as dumb as a box of rocks and have an ALL ABOUT ME ATTITUDE. America has become a country of people that only think of themselves and do not worry about people on the other side of whatever their belief happens to be.

lesser160@aol.com 06-28-2020 04:48 AM

What ever happened to consideration for others and not spreading the virus?

BiPartisan 06-28-2020 05:13 AM

Here is some food for thought. How many of the protesters, at least the destructive ones, will actually get tested? Recall that New York and the experts both estimated that 20+ percent that contracted the virus, had no symptoms (asymptomatic). NY representatives stated that after conducting their antibody study, that 1 in 5 New Yorkers that had the antibody test showed they had been exposed to the virus at some time. At that time only those with symptoms could get tested for the virus, that has now changed. So is there really a "spike" or are we just now uncovering more cases due to voluntary testing?
It is still a good case for social distancing and wearing a mask.

Rwirish 06-28-2020 05:14 AM

Protect the public first, no concerns at all.

Dahabs 06-28-2020 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 1793354)
Shut down because most people are as dumb as a box of rocks and have an ALL ABOUT ME ATTITUDE. America has become a country of people that only think of themselves and do not worry about people on the other side of whatever their belief happens to be.

Totally agree. A comparison of America's curve to Europe's tells you everything you need to know about America's approach to date.

Joanne19335 06-28-2020 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1793037)
When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

Do you not find a bit disconcerting that people are dying everyday? Closing the bars is just the beginning unless we all get our priorities straight.

stadry 06-28-2020 05:52 AM

people are dying everyday & that will continue until we all are dead - kung flu or not,,, fortunately there are subs coming along to replace us
just found 'the house' yesterday after 4d search,,, noticed many staffers wear masks (publix, ricardo's, svce stations) but not so many customers,,, personally i'll wear 1 if situation recommends
funny thing to me - yesterday saw lady in next lane alone in car wearing a mask,,, i would say an 'older woman' but she's probably bit younger than me ;-) what's SHE afraid of ???

coalminer 06-28-2020 05:56 AM

Older people in TV arent responsible to follow the deed restrictions they agreed to. You really cant expect working lol people to be responsible to conduct unnecessary business safely. They wont even require or wear masks

Dana1963 06-28-2020 06:10 AM

Business Licensing
 
Business agree with their health safety and services licensing. It’s quite obvious that most business does not have the will or ability to control themselves during are opening
Quote:

Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1793037)
When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now


greenflash245 06-28-2020 06:10 AM

when the. virus keeps spiking, they shut it down

matandch 06-28-2020 06:14 AM

Yet I never hear any complaints about the admonition: no shirt, no shoes, no service. Apparently the sight of hairy backs and smelly feet is more important than stopping the the spread of a potentially deadly disease.

DecaturFargo 06-28-2020 06:18 AM

Because the cities and especially in TV have totally ignorant, selfish people who aren't wearing masks or social distancing. Drove into parking lit last night at Havana. Not a parking spot open. If that's 50% seating inside, I'll give you my first born. The health department needs to make a visit.

Dana1963 06-28-2020 06:23 AM

Byob
 
We bring our own to the squares so we could care less it the kiosks open.
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1793112)
I assume that would include the walk up bars/kiosks in the town squares if they still plan to start the town square entertainment in early July?


Girlcopper 06-28-2020 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 1793354)
Shut down because most people are as dumb as a box of rocks and have an ALL ABOUT ME ATTITUDE. America has become a country of people that only think of themselves and do not worry about people on the other side of whatever their belief happens to be.

Well said. If people had followed the original suggestions of social distancing then the businesses wouldnt have been shut down. Pretty sad that the govt has to step in and mandate things because some people are either too ignorant or entitled to care about others

Jcr500b 06-28-2020 06:33 AM

Wow! Doesn’t anyone think that these bars have become COVID hotspots because of people not following CDC recommendations and therefore a public health hazard warranting their shutdown? The people that have been infected in these venues will now bring home that gift to families, children, parents and grandparents even if THEY chose to stay home. It a shame the government had to step in and protect those patrons and cripple those businesses. Those that got infected Just go on to prove the saying “common sense isn’t so common”.

Travelhunter 06-28-2020 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stadry (Post 1793498)
people are dying everyday & that will continue until we all are dead - kung flu or not,,, fortunately there are subs coming along to replace us
just found 'the house' yesterday after 4d search,,, noticed many staffers wear masks (publix, ricardo's, svce stations) but not so many customers,,, personally i'll wear 1 if situation recommends
funny thing to me - yesterday saw lady in next lane alone in car wearing a mask,,, i would say an 'older woman' but she's probably bit younger than me ;-) what's SHE afraid of ???

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Probably getting ready to park the car and do some shopping

cunningham 06-28-2020 06:45 AM

You'll hear from him when reelection comes along and he is looking for money.

ldivens 06-28-2020 06:47 AM

I have also written many letters to the Governor as well about the same topic. I also have written about the protesters causing higher numbers and wondered why that behavior is allowed to put so many people at risk and goes on and on. That is the plan you know?

Singerlady 06-28-2020 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1793037)
When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

Government has to step in when the public loses all common sense.

riley2011 06-28-2020 06:54 AM

Wal-Mart was not allowed to sell anything other than groceries in many places for a long time.

riley2011 06-28-2020 06:57 AM

Costco, Walmart, Target barred from selling nonessential items in parts of US - Business Insider

Singerlady 06-28-2020 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1793322)
Making masks mandatory and closing businesses are 2 very different things. I am far more fearful of a government that can wield that kind of arbitrary power than I am of COVID. If I want/need to avoid the the virus I know what to do. I can’t avoid an all powerful government.

They’re the same thing....doing what is necessary to stem the spread of the virus. Closing businesses is trying to make people stay home. Wearing masks is IF you HAVE to go out....protect others. The governor won’t make wearing masks mandatory. Sad. And, some STILL do not know WHAT to do, so someone has to hold their hand and tell them!
And, if you want to see what wearing masks and closing businesses has done, look to Europe. They’ve been successful with this!

Pennyt 06-28-2020 07:02 AM

Protestors
 
If the spread of the virus was mostly from protestors then why is New York not having a huge increase like Florida and Texas??

Akentut 06-28-2020 07:06 AM

Just lost it...
 
Could be because those people lost the use of one of their senses... like the COMMON one. And now we need someone that still has it to make the decision for them.

Michael Charles 06-28-2020 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pennyt (Post 1793568)
If the spread of the virus was mostly from protestors then why is New York not having a huge increase like Florida and Texas??

Exactly!:bigbow:

oneclickplus 06-28-2020 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1793037)
When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

The 2nd amendment exists to protect the rest of our rights under the constitution. I think nothing short of a major rebellion by business owners and customers (both armed) will stop this government over reach. If you think bars are dangerous, stay home. Think beach is contaminates - stay home. Leave everyone else alone. Why does the government care? Has to be tax dollars or something other than they actually care - we know they don't.

HelenLCSW 06-28-2020 07:19 AM

Shutting down the bar
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1793037)
When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

You jumped to a conclusion —not shutting down bars —shutting down the bar where people are sitting close together, socializing and not wearing masks. The serving of alcohol in restaurants where people are social distancing has not been stopped.

diva1 06-28-2020 07:22 AM

DeSantis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1793103)
My experience with writing to Desantis is no response. Not even an acknowledgement from his office recognizing a constituent contact.

I have written representatives most of my life time. His void of total lack of response is a first!

Remember that next time you vote!


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