Mask wearing hypocrisy
 

We have been told that wearing a mask isn’t for the safety of the wearer, it’s for the safety of others. Therefore if you don’t wear a mask, you are selfish, you don’t care about others. The same people complain endlessly about servers in restaurants not wearing masks. So, let me get this straight, it’s okay for you to go to a restaurant and infect your server - That’s not selfish?!? You want your server to wear a mask so they can’t spread the virus to you, but you have no problem sitting at your table, potentially spreading the virus to your server?!? If you were truly concerned about others, you wouldn’t be eating at a restaurant. Or are you really only worried about yourself...

I think that wearing a mask is for the protection of both the person wearing it and those nearby. Here is what Dr. Fauci recently said to Congress.

"Masks are extremely important," Fauci said, adding, "There's no doubt that wearing masks protects you and gets you to be protected. So it's people protecting each other. Anything that furthers the use of masks, whether it's giving out free masks or any other mechanism, I am thoroughly in favor of."

This is what the CDC says about masks: “ The CDC recommends that members of the public use simple cloth face coverings when in a public setting to slow the spread of the virus, since this will help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others.”
Not to stop you from getting it, but to stop you from spreading it.

not being able to take off one's mask in a restaurant to eat would certainly seem to defeat the whole purpose of going to a
restaurant...

many of these restaurants were not set up for a large scale 'take out' service ...they are struggling to survive and keep their staff employed

no easy solution on this one other than we all use common sense

put your face mask on when your server approaches your table then take it off to eat.... we are going to learn to tolerate a little inconvenience to keep others safe and keep the economy open do people have jobs.

Moderators should merge the 500 mask troll threads into one mask superthread


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It ain't gonna kill you to wear a mask in public.

But it might kill somebody if you don't.

You wear it for the greater good.

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So screw the server, as long as you, the patron of the restaurant don’t get the virus, the greater good has been served?

Mask Hysteria
 

As of this morning, 145,000 cases in Florida. 3400 deaths. Do the Math. All across the country the death rate from this virus has gone way way down. It is now just hovering above 2%. The regular flu kills 60,000 people a year and approximately 1% of people who get influenza die from it. So this particular virus is at 2% now. I’ll be darned if I’m going to live my life in a cocoon and this ridiculous hysteria that everyone has. If you feel that you want To wear a mask in public and in stores by all means I will honor that I will keep my 6 feet from you I will not try to make you feel uncomfortable if you want to live in a cocoon you go right ahead but don’t criticize me for not feeling uncomfortable going on with my life and not Shaking in my boots that I’m going to get this virus or die from it. Number one I am not afraid of getting it if I happen to get it I feel confident that I will be one of the 98% that will fully recover. Years from now they’re going to look back at this ridiculous hysteria and realize that throughout history we have had serious viruses and never reacted like this and fully recovered. Again I will keep my social distancing I will not make you feel uncomfortable by coming up and hugging you or getting anywhere near you but I will also feel very very comfortable going on with my life and not looking silly driving around by myself in the car with the windows rolled up an air conditioner on with a mask on.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on it.

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I’m pretty sure I don’t have a screw the server attitude you seem to think I have. I am not eating out right now. I feel for the servers. If people don’t eat out then they lose their job. So what’s the right answer? I’m saying if you are out, wear your mask.

Then do the same thing in the Fall when the seasonal flu approaches. Right? It’s contagious. If you don’t, you are a hypocrite.

They walk among us :(. The restaurants we go to have plenty of space between tables, more than 6 feet. The servers take our orders from at least 6 feet. We alway call before we go to understand their protocols. If they chose not to observe the rules we chose not to go. There are plenty of responsible owners here that want our business. I have had conversations who seem to understand the risks associated with their job, not to them but to us. They can't believe the number of the those over 60 that don't play by the rules and therefore jeopardize their jobs. They have said, they didn't hesitate to close the bars, they won't hesitate to close the restaurants it the numbers continue to climb. So for those that are the medical experts on here that get their degree every day on the internet, when that happens you can thank yourselves. I do agree that driving in the car with a mask on is strange but, how does that effect you?

Exactly. Hubby and I wear our masks when entering a restaurant, being shown our table and keep our masks on until our drinks arrive. We put our masks back on when ordering. We minimize exposure for our wait staff. We don our masks anytime we are not seated and that includes going to the restroom and leaving the restaurant. It is the best we can do to support our local businesses and to slow the spread of the virus.

To the OP..........No, we are not selfish. We are helping to slow the spread of the virus at a time when our economy is struggling to recover.

There is a flu vaccine so no, I will not wear a mask for the seasonal flu. I will wear a mask to slow the spread of Covid-19 until there is an effective vaccine and a large percentage of our population has been inoculated.

Ummmm, ever hear of the FLU VACCINE ? Nice try though. ;)

If there is a FLU VACCINE, then why do hundreds of thousands of people die each year from the flu? I'll give you a hint, people don't die FROM the flu they die from a condition aggravated from the flu. Same as Covid-19.

We'll survive this just like we will survive the Saharan Dust Cloud of 2020 (eek!). Of course, coronaviruses and Saharan dust clouds are nothing new but this year we get to freak out about them! In the fall when the leaves turn colors on the trees, I'm sure we'll be warned about that massive oxygen depletion in the air caused by the death of greenery.

They use their best guess as far as which strain of the Flu to vaccinate against. It seems as though more often than not they get the strain wrong and the flu goes around anyway.

With Coronavirus, I sort of wish they'd come out with a placebo vaccine just to get people back into life again. It seems as though the Covid-19 is weakening even if it has become more prevalent. We'll just need to have a 2 billion, 6 month study and widespread testing to confirm that though.

Wife and I had to enter the city yesterday, outside our rural village bubble.
Both had to wear a mask on entering the building we had to attend.
We survived.
No carbon dioxide overload.
No oxygen depletion.
No overwhelming feeling our 'rights' were being infringed.
Never saw any dead or dying from wearing masks either, and many inside wear masks all day.
It's really not that hard.
Is it?

Your post says a great deal about us as a society. I for one agree with you and can't understand the pushback about wearing masks in public settings to "maybe" help slow down this virus and prevent the destruction of an economy that will never recover, my opinion. Instead of mandating the wearing of masks in public our leadership sent out stimulus checks, business loans, and $600 unemployment bonuses, none payed for just left for our grandchildren to pay. More to come. Many on this forum believe the thousands of unpaid hospital bills coming due are fake news as is the virus. Tell that to your grandchildren when they realize they are going to have to pay for it. The Flat Earth Society is alive and well.

If they don't like to wear the mask, their going to really hate the ventilator!

Has everyone forgotten that the CDC initially told us mask wearing wasn't necessary and could even be counter-productive in the prevention/spread of this new disease?

(The mind staggers when seeing some of the filthy face coverings some people are walking around with and to know how many germs are being harbored right there on their face.)

Now, the CDC tell us how absolutely necessary mask wearing is.

So, were they lying to us then or are they lying to us now?

New CDC report shows that >10x more people have been exposed than actual cases
 

I know a person that has been saying for months that the "actual science" does not match reality. They pointed me to this CDC report that came out on June 29th that says up >10x more people have been exposed to the virus and DID NOT CONTRACT it. They are not "asymptomatic carriers", it did not infect them. Unfortunately, none of the commercially available tests show this, it takes some very precise lab work to process these non-infected cases. This proves the infection rate is MUCH lower than ever thought. The model is a joke, garbage in, garbage out. So if we "must follow the science", here it is. I expect the media will jump all over this very positive news. <sarcasm>
Commercial Laboratory Seroprevalence Surveys | Coronavirus | COVID-19 | CDC

I didn’t expect there to be any more augments about wearing mask , after all the president was on TV last night saying we should wear one and that he wears one all the tim except when he’s standing alone ( sigh)

I guess the question is - how much more proof do we need that this virus is not nearly as deadly as once feared? All of this mask wearing feels like enabling hysteria to me. Actual science is telling us that things are not that bad.

He's a politician with an election coming up. He's wearing a mask to appease the folks who want to see masks worn. That's pretty much it.

When I wear a mask I do it not because I believe that masks are really necessary but to make the fearful less fearful. I'm conflicted as to whether or not that is actually the right thing to do because I really do not like the precedent this is setting.

I have a picture of two delightful people, married to each other for more than fifty years, in good health for an 80 and 81 year old, and who lived in Ohio until three weeks ago when they both died of Covid-19 within seven days of each other. Then two dear friends, sisters, who live here in The Villages were healthy until they joined a group of ten to celebrate St. Patricks day at Orange Blossom Restaurant. One was in ICU for ten days and the other was very, very sick at home and had to be taken to the ER in the ambulance for dehyration.

It is real. It is new. It harms and kills, but not everyone. It is kind of like a serial killer, lurking and waiting. People can decide to get locks (masks) or not...............

The solution was given above in Post #5. Perhaps you didn't see it.

I'm sure the server wears a mask as a requirement by their employer to work. According to those that are supposed to know, the age group of most servers put them in a low risk category, but they can be carriers and spread it to their more vulnerable clientele. You work, you want tips, you have customers willing to take a chance and eat out, catch twenty two.

I'm very sorry for your losses, I totally understand that having your friends impacted by this virus has really hit home and made this virus very real to you. I've got a mom who lives in an Independent living community (not assisted living/nursing). Even before the Coronavirus came along the ambulance came to that facility at least once a day, sometimes multiple times in a day. Once you get to a certain age, that happens. My mom has met and lost friends, none of them to the Coronavirus. They have taken serious precautions where she lives and they thankfully have had no cases of this virus. But the ambulance still comes daily just as it did before this outbreak. And it will continue to come after this virus goes away.

I also have young adult children who have their entire lives ahead of them. They need to work and get an education so that they will be able to provide for their own families one day and save for their own retirements. Children need to play and go to school with their friends. They need to have fun family trips to places like Disney World. Is it morally right for a high risk group to expect a low risk group to give up their own freedom in the small chance that it actually benefits the higher risk group in some way? Is it morally right for people who have the security of guaranteed retirement income to expect businesses to close or operate at greatly reduced capacity causing hardworking people to lose their jobs all in the name of safety? Especially if the people losing everything aren't at much risk from the virus anyway?

I'm not a whippersnapper myself anymore and I feel as though I'm balancing in the middle of a teeter totter. Maybe it's better to let people decide what their own risk factors are and mitigate their own risks accordingly. I think we will ALL have much bigger problems if we don't do just that.

Doubtful anyone's mind will be changed regarding masks at this point.

But what do you tell friends and family if you contract the disease and have to tell them they are at risk because of you? What answer do you give if they ask if you wore a mask.

Or how would someone feel if they contracted COVID, infected a loved one and lost that person to the disease.

What answer would you give your grandchildren when they ask if you wore a mask or not around grandma before she contracted The disease from you?

You cannot get into a doctor's office without wearing a mask.

There are two different arguments here, each completely different than the other. Of course any thinking person is aware and worried about the impact of a pandemic on the economy and on the very livelihood and substance of existence that is impacted. Especially people who are older and can see and relate to many ups and downs in the nations economy they personally have witnessed over the many decades they have lived.. It is very clear to us disposables that indeed the economy is impacted and most everyone is willing to do whatever they can to keep products and services moving and people paid. Because it all relates to all of us. The economy must be protected in all ways.

The second issue is wearing of masks and whether or not it is saving any lives and is it saving lives of the younger and "cough cough" more valuable people??? After all as was stated, the old are going to kick the bucket soon anyway.

Truth is the damned virus is mutating and may be working on killing a lot of younger, more attractive and vibrant people than just the old fogies. It may even have it's sites set on little tiny adorable infants.

I think that it is wise to wear a mask and try to keep those ******* Covid-19's at bay as much as we can. No matter how young or old we are.

If I were symptomatic I would stay home. If I was driving a high risk person around or had close contact with them, I would wear a mask. But, my high risk mom for instance, also takes personal responsibility for her own well being. She shops at the grocery store during the high risk hours, has no real desire to go to crowded venues, the activities in her retirement facility have basically ground to a halt. Some people have moved out of that facility and gone elsewhere because of the lack of social interaction - why continue to pay for something that you aren't getting? Some people have decided to stay put and wait for this virus to pass, the sooner the better. Risk vs Reward. My mom is an extrovert and has managed to find ways to keep herself busy that don't put her at heightened risk. We visit her mostly outside.

If Mom moved into my house and expected the same sort of restricted lifestyle we would have a problem. My young adult kids are working, engaging in activities and are in and out of the house. I am around other people, some wearing masks, some not wearing masks. Have we been exposed to the virus? Probably. But we've never had any symptoms. If we were symptomatic we would stay home. Period.

I follow the rules in any given store or business and wear a mask if I am requested to. But otherwise I don't really think about it.