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Happinow 07-28-2020 04:40 PM

Hydroxychloroquine
 
We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

mitchbr47 07-28-2020 04:50 PM

Who do you trust
 
Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.

raynan 07-28-2020 04:51 PM

Maybe it's because of supply and demand and they have to keep the supplies available for the people who have the diseases that require taking it were being depleted. There are several autoimmune diseases that require taking multiple doses a day besides taking it for malaria. I, for one, take it twice a day for scleroderma and have for 10 years.

manaboutown 07-28-2020 04:57 PM

I wonder if the OP asked her physician if she would not prescribe it in general to anyone or to her on account of her personal health conditions. As far as I am concerned it is a gray area; some physicians may prescribe it at times, perhaps depending upon how the Chinese virus is affecting a particular patient. It is not a one size fits all situation.

Number 10 GI 07-28-2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mitchbr47 (Post 1810028)
Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.

There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?

GoodLife 07-28-2020 05:16 PM

DR HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective,” Risch explained. “Especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Earlier this month, a large peer-reviewed study found that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality rate of COVID-19 by more than half and, contrary to previous claims by faulty studies, had no adverse effects on the heart.

Link goes to Newsweek article

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Happinow 07-28-2020 05:19 PM

For the record....I take no medications, not overweight and have no health conditions that would prevent me from taking the drug. I have a 100% clean bill of health.

Happinow 07-28-2020 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1810036)
DR HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective,” Risch explained. “Especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Earlier this month, a large peer-reviewed study found that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality rate of COVID-19 by more than half and, contrary to previous claims by faulty studies, had no adverse effects on the heart.

Link goes to Newsweek article

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We each have our own beliefs. I believe this drug saves lives. I should have the right to take it. I believe your info is spot on. Thank you for posting it.

Stu from NYC 07-28-2020 05:46 PM

The more we hear about the virus the less I think they know

Happinow 07-28-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1810032)
There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?

And if it’s not effective, then why did Chris Cuomo take it? Why are the politicians able to get it? Something stinks here.....

Happinow 07-28-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1810031)
I wonder if the OP asked her physician if she would not prescribe it in general to anyone or to her on account of her personal health conditions. As far as I am concerned it is a gray area; some physicians may prescribe it at times, perhaps depending upon how the Chinese virus is affecting a particular patient. It is not a one size fits all situation.

I take no meds, I’m not overweight and have a 100% clean bill of health. It has nothing to do with me physically. She said she believed there was no evidence that it helped. However, she did say that they gave it to patients who were hospitalized. I’m scratching my head........if they feel it helps hospitalized patients with the virus, why won’t it help those with early symptoms? I’m not on board with her beliefs......

GoodLife 07-28-2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810053)
I take no meds, I’m not overweight and have a 100% clean bill of health. It has nothing to do with me physically. She said she believed there was no evidence that it helped. However, she did say that they gave it to patients who were hospitalized. I’m scratching my head........if they feel it helps hospitalized patients with the virus, why won’t it help those with early symptoms? I’m not on board with her beliefs......

The key to using HCQ is to start use as soon as you develop symptoms, thats what most Doctors including the Yale Epidemiologist say. Some countries, including India, are using it with success as a prophylactic for health care and other high risk people.

4 or more hydroxychloroquine doses reduced risk of coronavirus in healthcare workers: ICMR study - India News

NotFromAroundHere 07-28-2020 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810038)
We each have our own beliefs. I believe this drug saves lives. I should have the right to take it. I believe your info is spot on. Thank you for posting it.

You absolutely have the right to take it. And your doctor absolutely has the right not to prescribe it. All you have to do is find one who will.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-28-2020 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810038)
We each have our own beliefs. I believe this drug saves lives. I should have the right to take it. I believe your info is spot on. Thank you for posting it.

If you are diagnosed with COVID-19 with symptoms and admitted to the hospital, you can ask for the super-cocktail then. That is what Dr. Hirsch's editorial was about, very specifically. It is not a preventative. It is not a treatment for asymptomatic people. It is not for people who have certain medical problems (such as allergies to doxycycline or zithromyicin, for example), it is not for people with liver disease.

Also, you don't have the "right" to take ANY prescription medicine. Drugs are not covered by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Lighten up on the hyperbole.

LoisR 07-28-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810026)
We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

manaboutown 07-28-2020 07:05 PM

Just remember, half of all MDs graduated in the bottom half of their medical school classes.

Stu from NYC 07-28-2020 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1810069)
Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

But apparently quite a few DR's feel it works

Altavia 07-28-2020 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1810069)
Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

Those studies were on people who started after the point of no return and would not survive no matter what else was done.

Read the studies referenced above on the benefits of starting at first sign of symptoms.

NotGolfer 07-28-2020 08:11 PM

I'm on hydroxychloroquine for a medical issue and have been for over a year and a half. I paid attention when it was 1st brought up early in this covid . I spoke with my primary...actually we've had the conversation twice. While I've not had covid yet I feel certain this medication is a good 1st line defense. I've seen documentation from many dr's across the nation who testify to this as a line of action for their patients. There are dr's in Texas who also are using an asthma medication quite successfully as well. I'd rather do something on the short term that holds promise rather than waiting it out and "maybe" living through a horrific hospital stay (ie respirator). Many are hoping for a miraculous vaccine to cure this virus. I don't hold my breath for that one. The flu hasn't yet been eradicated yet by a vaccine so why would something that's yet not well-tested be the panacea for a new virus? Just asking the question........

Stu from NYC 07-28-2020 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1810073)
Just remember, half of all MDs graduated in the bottom half of their medical school classes.

Do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their class in Med school?

DR.

blueash 07-28-2020 10:31 PM

One frequent poster who claims to have no agenda in either supporting or rejecting the efficacy of HCQ for Covid seems only to post opinions or studies showing some benefit.

Here is the preprint report of exactly your concern.

A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease | medRxiv

A randomized study looking at whether using HCQ early makes a difference. Done in Spain they identified patients ill with Covid then randomized 2300 persons exposed to the sick person to either receive HCQ or not.

The primary outcome was whether those who got HCQ were less likely to become ill with Covid in the 14 days following exposure. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

Secondary outcome were those who got HCQ less like to test positive even if they had no symptoms. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

You can "believe" in whatever you like. Believing is not how science works. Believing is the placebo effect. The FDA has removed authorization for emergency use of HCQ in an outpatient population for Covid based on its extensive review of available information.

The overwhelming evidence is that HCQ does not benefit Covid patients for prevention, for early treatment or for late treatment. What is great about science is that studies continue to be done and the evidence may turn the other way. But the evidence now is that your doctor is right to not let you decide what is a good medication based on what you believe.

alfredpopcorn@gmail.com 07-29-2020 04:46 AM

Nope - trust your research. They used lancet as basis . They are uninformed physicians- that study was horrible in its set up . And will set lancet back for years as a legitimate publication.

sandie 07-29-2020 04:56 AM

Hydroxychloroquine
 
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Originally Posted by raynan (Post 1810029)
Maybe it's because of supply and demand and they have to keep the supplies available for the people who have the diseases that require taking it were being depleted. There are several autoimmune diseases that require taking multiple doses a day besides taking it for malaria. I, for one, take it twice a day for scleroderma and have for 10 years.


I also take this 2x day forRA. I know of doctors who believe this will help so they have written scripts for their families to have. So that supply demand is valid perhaps why doctors here will not offer.

Rwirish 07-29-2020 05:06 AM

Absolutely would not take this. Trust the medical professionals not whacky politicians.

Dahabs 07-29-2020 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1810032)
There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?

Eminent? I think the jury is pretty well in on this issue. The majority of doctors do not support this drug re: Covid 19 treatment.

Coal Miner 07-29-2020 05:24 AM

Hydroxchloroquine hoax
 
Thank you for your input.[/QUOTE]

Eg_cruz 07-29-2020 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mitchbr47 (Post 1810028)
Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.

Really trust the doctors around here, no thank you They are all about giving you bandaids medicine not about healing you. They are all riding the the Medicare gravy train. How many doctors around have been report to Medicare for fraud. Not to long on this page someone was charged over $1000 for COVID testing.
So no do not trust your doctor do your own research and if they are not willing to discuss it with you find a new doctor.

Skidog 07-29-2020 05:32 AM

There’s no proof that it works. Plain and simple. Your view is your own. The medical community is against it except for some quack doctors out there

MandoMan 07-29-2020 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810026)
We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

I have a friend who knows an infectious disease specialist who swears by it, despite the studies. I saw the infamous video going around with a lot of doctors saying everyone who takes it with zinc and Azithromycin has been cured. That was on Breitbart originally, which is certainly not known for fair and accurate reporting. I’ve read that the video was removed from YouTube yesterday for inaccuracy.
Twitter

Misleading Coronavirus Video, Pushed by the Trumps, Spreads Online - The New York Times

I took hydroxychloroquine for a month in 1974 when I moved to Africa to work in a hospital, but stopped because there were no mosquitoes where I was—too high, it seems. I survived it. I tend to believe the studies rather than supposed experts, though the video sounded compelling.

Doctors have an ethical duty to do no harm, and if your doctor refused to give you hydroxychloroquine because the best studies show it doesn’t work for Covid-19, good for her! Doctors are NOT obligated to give patients the drugs they ask for. Far too many doctors give patients antibiotics when patients ask for them, even though the doctor knows the antibiotics do know good for the disease the patient has. Other patients see ads on TV about drugs and ask for them by name—or demand them. Some of these drugs cost more than $1000 a month but are no better than drugs that cost 5% of that. We may have a $10 co-pay and forget that everyone with health insurance is paying the rest of that price. This is why the cost of health insurance keeps going up.

If you insist on getting a drug that is not recommended by the FDA and the CDC, there are plenty of doctors who will give you a prescription. Just call around. Many have offices in strip malls. I used to work 45 years ago with a doctor who now lives south of Miami in a mansion and holds the DEA record for most opioid pills purchased by a doctor for resale to patients: 1,960,000 pills. He’s 90, but still in business. He can no longer prescribe OxyContin, but he can still prescribe hydroxychloroquine. He prescribed mine when I was in Africa.

This is also worth reading:
Russian Intelligence Agencies Push Disinformation on Coronavirus Pandemic - The New York Times

davem4616 07-29-2020 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1810032)
There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?



I listen to my own doctors and I follow their advice

Joanne19335 07-29-2020 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1810048)
The more we hear about the virus the less I think they know

I believe Dr. Anthony Fauci. Hydroxy is a drug prescribed for malaria and lupus. It is not prescribed for COVID-19 because the risks outweigh the benefits. Side effects include heart arrhythmia and liver failure. This is not a risk that I am willing to take.

Andyb 07-29-2020 05:59 AM

I’m with you, I’m going to email my doctor and ask about that and an Asthma medicine. I heard a doctor from Texas said it works, but he has no press, he seemed very legitimate.

davem4616 07-29-2020 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1810134)
Really trust the doctors around here, no thank you They are all about giving you bandaids medicine not about healing you. They are all riding the the Medicare gravy train. How many doctors around have been report to Medicare for fraud. Not to long on this page someone was charged over $1000 for COVID testing.
So no do not trust your doctor do your own research and if they are not willing to discuss it with you find a new doctor.


I trust the doctors that we have in Florida as much as I trusted the doctors I had before moving to Florida

There's not a lot a doctor can do when the issue is plainly old age related...no fix for that anywhere....unless you can find that fountain of youth

jbrown132 07-29-2020 06:08 AM

The science is showing more and more that it does have some therapeutic value in treating the symptoms of Covid.

Bay Kid 07-29-2020 06:10 AM

There is no money to be made with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Ivette Lozano was ghosted months ago for telling of the benefits for her patients.

jbrown132 07-29-2020 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810050)
And if it’s not effective, then why did Chris Cuomo take it? Why are the politicians able to get it? Something stinks here.....

Maybe he went to a doctor who would prescribe it.

jbrown132 07-29-2020 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810053)
I take no meds, I’m not overweight and have a 100% clean bill of health. It has nothing to do with me physically. She said she believed there was no evidence that it helped. However, she did say that they gave it to patients who were hospitalized. I’m scratching my head........if they feel it helps hospitalized patients with the virus, why won’t it help those with early symptoms? I’m not on board with her beliefs......

Maybe you should look for another doctor.

LoisR 07-29-2020 06:22 AM

Utter nonsense. If your not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Dimanna 07-29-2020 06:26 AM

I have heard of several doctors treating early Covid patients with Hydrochloroquin (with Zinc and Azithromycin) and also using it prophylactically to prevent Covid with much success. However the pharmacies are reluctant to even fill the prescriptions and the doctors are given a hard time by their board (AMA). Thus many doctors are not willing to prescribe it. It's a sad situation.

Lindsyburnsy 07-29-2020 06:40 AM

I would trust Dr Fauci.
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1810032)
There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?



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