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Northwoods 08-06-2020 04:28 PM

NY Attorney General files lawsuit to dissolve NRA
 
The New York attorney general, filed a lawsuit today seeking to dissolve the National Rifle Association, alleging that years of corruption irreparably undermined its ability to operate as a nonprofit.

This will be interesting...

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-06-2020 04:34 PM

I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.

billethkid 08-06-2020 04:51 PM

Wow!!

Guilty by media until proven innocent.

Suggests a pattern of concern!

retiredguy123 08-06-2020 04:53 PM

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-06-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1813655)
Wow!!

Guilty by media until proven innocent.

Suggests a pattern of concern!

I didn't read any article or watch any reporter reporting on anything at all about this. I did, however, watch the live feed of the AG's announcement, from beginning to end.

I also, as I said in my previous post, stopped supporting the NRA back in 1993. It's not political for ME at all.

rjm1cc 08-06-2020 06:14 PM

The state should be protecting the rights of the members, not terminating their association due to bad leadership. Charges should be filed against the individuals that took advantage of their position and if possible restitution to the membership.

davem4616 08-06-2020 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?


absolutely agree...let's look into the huge salaries that the Red Cross pays themselves

that's the reason that I stopped donating to them...they're more interested in lining their own pockets than sending the money where it can do the most good

Number 10 GI 08-06-2020 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1813701)
absolutely agree...let's look into the huge salaries that the Red Cross pays themselves

that's the reason that I stopped donating to them...they're more interested in lining their own pockets than sending the money where it can do the most good

Same for me with United Way, I quit several years ago donating to them.

GJohn 08-06-2020 07:16 PM

Just NY's way to retaliate against all the law suits brought against Cuomo by gun owners and firearms dealers. He never stops the assault!

Fredman 08-06-2020 07:59 PM

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

tophcfa 08-06-2020 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1813737)
I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

Stu from NYC 08-07-2020 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Guess they wanted headlines from a source that would support this.

Two Bills 08-07-2020 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1813701)
absolutely agree...let's look into the huge salaries that the Red Cross pays themselves

that's the reason that I stopped donating to them...they're more interested in lining their own pockets than sending the money where it can do the most good

Hard to find true charities these days without a political agenda, and where the majority of contributions go to the cause.
Too many fat cats leaching off kind hearted people.

Dahabs 08-07-2020 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Which one would you suggest going after ahead of these guys? Seems like a pretty big fish to me and therefore a worthwhile exercise.

Dahabs 08-07-2020 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1813698)
The state should be protecting the rights of the members, not terminating their association due to bad leadership. Charges should be filed against the individuals that took advantage of their position and if possible restitution to the membership.

I think your initial point is absolutely correct. However, if the organization itself is corrupt, and in this case not operating as non-profit, then perhaps dissolving it and starting over may be the better course of action.

Coal Miner 08-07-2020 04:55 AM

Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

jimbo2012 08-07-2020 05:07 AM

It is strictly a political move in an election year that has already backfired!

It maybe unprecedented that a DA seeks to dissolve a corp for the alleged acts of it's officers.

It's officers that should be indited.

THe NRA has already counter sued, they have the resources to take on the legal battle.

They spend about $400 million a year in their programs

I'm not a member, but fully support the 2nd Amendment.

30-40% of Americans own a gun(s)

stadry 08-07-2020 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1813740)
No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

kind of an argument against yourself, isn't it ? 'responsible firearms owner' shouldn't own a simple rifle ? ar15's one of the most reliable rifles, no ?

just say you don't like the looks of them - that i understand,,, so coming after the ar15's ok but nothing after that ? where have we heard that refrain previously ? how does 1 'shave off' part of a constitutional amendment ? which part of the 2nd amendment offends thee ? what about the right to demonstrate peacefully ? should that also be constrained ?

i owned them in atl for protection,,, i own them here because i want them - shotguns, rifles, handguns - makes no difference,,, have thought about buying an ar15 because ( just because ) they may soon be outlawed w/o reason

it seems to me your argument's invalid based on logic and most anti-gun arguments are in the same camp

jbrown132 08-07-2020 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1813648)
I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.

The same can be said for many non profit organizations. Are we going to dissolve them all?

Challenger 08-07-2020 05:15 AM

I am a gun owner and strong supporter of the 2A . The NRA has for years abused the laws and privilege of operating as a 501c3, organization. Sic em.

swooner 08-07-2020 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Duh. Maybe because they are not chartered in NY like the NRA is.

crash 08-07-2020 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Maybe they will after they get evidence of wrong doing. They already did shut down the Trump foundation for very similar actions.

Heyitsrick 08-07-2020 05:32 AM

As has been reported, the NRA has been a big lobbying organization for those they see as more likely to support second amendment rights.

No coincidence that this suit is happening now, right around get-out-the-vote time.

Having to divert financial resources to fight off this legal battle takes away from their ability to make their case to the public this fall.

Nah, no politics involved here. Why, it's the purely politically objective State of NY we're talking about. All's good.

NotFromAroundHere 08-07-2020 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stadry (Post 1813766)
how does 1 'shave off' part of a constitutional amendment ? which part of the 2nd amendment offends thee ? what about the right to demonstrate peacefully ? should that also be constrained ?

Almost all of the freedoms in our constitution are constrained, already. Freedom of religion, speech, the press, peaceful assembly. Keeping and bearing arms. Unreasonable search and seizure, etc., etc., etc.

Unrestrained freedom is anarchy.

Cheapbas 08-07-2020 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 1813765)
It is strictly a political move in an election year that has already backfired!

It maybe unprecedented that a DA seeks to dissolve a corp for the alleged acts of it's officers.

It's officers that should be indited.

THe NRA has already counter sued, they have the resources to take on the legal battle.

They spend about $400 million a year in their programs

I'm not a member, but fully support the 2nd Amendment.

30-40% of Americans own a gun(s)

This move is not about amendment rights, taking your guns away,the media or politics

It’s financial mismanagement.

There is a nonprofit and a foundation involved, people donate money to be used for a specific cause and the folks in power take it for their own benefit or the benefit of their friends.

Their was a guy in NY who did that and his foundation was shut down. Another case, wounded warriors spending donations on a lavish party for their employees.

Get the idea, you donate your hard earned cash to support your constitution rights and the officials take it for a $50k private flight to the Bahamas. It’s not cool, it’s against the law, and you should be b.s. they are doing this with your money

alfredpopcorn@gmail.com 08-07-2020 05:40 AM

Support your NRA . Only defense with have against tyranny.
lock and L
ASMS

alfredpopcorn@gmail.com 08-07-2020 05:43 AM

When they start coming for your second amendment rights next .who’s going to defend you . Fake news and NYS . Lol

davefin 08-07-2020 05:51 AM

And, so it begins. First step in the masterplan to get our guns away from us!

oneclickplus 08-07-2020 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1813740)
No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

No, we wouldn't.

noslices1 08-07-2020 06:03 AM

Maybe she should go after the US Congress. They’ve been doing that for decades.

ronl911 08-07-2020 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coal Miner (Post 1813761)
Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

Could you elaborate on your logic please? The only logical conclusion I can draw from your statement is that guns should never, ever have been allowed in America. Am I correct in my assumption?

noslices1 08-07-2020 06:12 AM

You will not find many “Criminals” who are members of the NRA, so your allegations are false.

J1ceasar 08-07-2020 06:28 AM

Nra
 
Yes it may be a politically-motivated lawsuit but that doesn't make it wrong if you read the complaint and understand the history. It's just like when politicians take money and take money and take money and nothing happens. Just because other Charities get away with it doesn't mean you shouldn't Sue just one

dicktracy4120 08-07-2020 06:29 AM

The FBI complies all crime, including gun violence in all 50 states. Everyone has access to it, including the CDC. NRA has nothing to do with it. In law enforcement, it’s called UCR, Uniform Crime Report. It is turned in to the FBI and a report is released.

17362 08-07-2020 06:31 AM

IMO anything man made is faulty, gets corrupt: United way, Goodwill, Red Cross, Planned parenthood... those are a few that pop to my mind.

Heyitsrick 08-07-2020 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1813787)
This move is not about amendment rights, taking your guns away,the media or politics

It’s financial mismanagement.

There is a nonprofit and a foundation involved, people donate money to be used for a specific cause and the folks in power take it for their own benefit or the benefit of their friends.

Their was a guy in NY who did that and his foundation was shut down. Another case, wounded warriors spending donations on a lavish party for their employees.

Get the idea, you donate your hard earned cash to support your constitution rights and the officials take it for a $50k private flight to the Bahamas. It’s not cool, it’s against the law, and you should be b.s. they are doing this with your money

Here's a thought: if someone or some people in an organization committed crimes, you indict them and bring them to trial. You don't try to dismantle an organization you don't like, which is what's going on here.

Would you dismantle the United States Congress if a congressman was engaged in fraud, spending campaign money on purely personal things? Using your logic, why wouldn't you? OK, maybe you wouldn't dissolve Congress. Perhaps you would just take away that district's congressional seat. After all, a single individual was engaged in criminal activity, so the baby needs to go out with the bath water, right?

No, a prosecutor would file charges against the individual(s) and bring them to trial. That's how things work in this country when there's no abuse of the system.

PennBF 08-07-2020 07:00 AM

Was will renew
 
I was a member of the NRA for a few years and let it run out. I will now renew my membership as protecting the 2nd Amendment is critical to our survival! Without guns protection we would now still be bowing to the King of England. Without guns Lincolln
would have failed in over turning the abuse of African American, without guns we would be another state of Germany. I don't know of any person who is a thug and is rioting to overtake cities is a card carrying member of NRA and is in favor of supporting the 2nd Amendment as they are the ones who hope we cancel the 2nd Amendment. The ability to carry guns in order to protect our rights was a blessing from our founders. They knew what the heck they were doing. Ask yourself the question as to why anyone would want you to be unable of protecting your rights and property? :ho:

nick demis 08-07-2020 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1813737)
I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

Does that mean that you don't have and are against pistols? They are semi-automatic.
Do you know the definition of semi-automatic?

DecaturFargo 08-07-2020 07:05 AM

Long overdue. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. The NRA needs to go. And before someone blasts me. Yes, we own firearms.

Denvercane 08-07-2020 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1813737)
I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

Without Google, you and the average person can't tell me what the "ar" stands for in AR15. There isn't a military or police officer that would go to fight with a AR15.. It's an inferior weapon to have in a real fire fight. And just about every pistol is a semi-automatic.


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