Glenn Beck
 

I gotta say finding GOD is a good thing for Glenn. Like so many X addicts, X Alcoholics, X Felons, X etc., he is on the right track, but I find it mighty arrogant of him to act like the rest of the United States has been walking blindly toward the burning pit. Not everyone, like Glenn, needed years of being in a drunken haze to convince them to turn to GOD.

Sorry Glenn, been there and still there so get back to being the satirist comedian you are good at and stay off the evangelistic trail. I am not buying it.

Not very Christian of you Lou.

Amen
 

amen-amen

Do you ever have anything nice to say?

Yoda

Yes I do. I am a born again non smoker so I never complain to people about their smoking as I understand that it is frowned upon to do that. But I still drink my bud light and don't want to be preached to by a born again juicer. No offense.

I will say that many people feel that born again X types are the most passionate about their newfound sobriety, but it is often short lived so I am always leery of folks that recently SAW THE LIGHT. No offense, just cautious.

Wasn't this part saying something nice? I gotta say finding GOD is a good thing for Glenn.

By the way, I would never take relationship counceling from Bill Clinton.

Lou - The nice things about television is that the remote has a button where you can change the channel. I suggest you use it and go back to MSNBC to hear the bs and hatred they spew on a daily basis.

It's History (visit the Jefferson Memorial)
 

Glenn Beck's entire position is historical. Jefferson, et al based the entire premise of the Constitution on rights given to man by God. Beck's position is we need to refocus on the founder's values if we want to survive as a Republic. It ISN'T about Glenn Beck. If you WATCH his very successful program that point would be painfully clear. If you do not watch his program you are missing something powerful.:read:

I'd take Bill Clinton
 

over Glenn Beck any day of the week.

say goodnight Gracie.

I'll take Bill ClintonYou set the bar pretty high, huh? :a20:

That depends on the definition..
 

Taking the approach of your choice (Bill Clinton), that depends on your definition of "over" and "any", right?

This administration does more "to drive people apart" that Beck,Palin and Limbaugh combined.

Beck is very outspoken on the point that he abhors the far let progressives and their "transform America" agenda. If a Democrat or Republican progressive watches Beck's program they will surely feel attacked.

Bingo!! When one's prejudices are exposed, it can be a shock and with the shock can come anger at the one exposing it. Very nicely and succinctly said Sista; Bravo!!

I am always impressed when posters spend more time
 

attacking the messenger and completely ignore the message.

I also do not believe that continual harping about any messengers past is of any value if the current message is true, germain, applicable, real, not a lye and investigate-able!!!

I guess it takes a little more effort and understanding to disagree with a position without having to mud sling or talk down.

btk

And I do, so is that his intent, to make me feel attacked rather than reasoned with in an attempt to gain my support for what he feels is the right direction for the country. Make me mad and you have one more enemy, educate me to your truth and you have an supporter. I do thank you sista for your directness and apparent honesty. You state fact and not just say things to aggravate the debate into an argument. You could persuade lots of left wing folks on the fence to fall off the fence in your direction. Thank you and continue to talk about these issues with your attitude.

All I glean from this post is that Richie wants hate and disagreement rather than a coming together. I can be brought on board, but not when you continue to insult me. Richie, lets talk not insult and maybe we can agree on some things and agree to disagree on others. Would that not be a better approach?

What????? Are you sure you replied to the right post Billethkid?

Beck and Limbaugh are personalities with television and radio shows. They cannot legislate or make policy. You would be better off concentrating on what the legislators of this country do and say everyday.

Lou, you're not listening. The hate is coming from you. It is exposed in you by someone exposing your bias, much to your consternation. Come out of the darkness.

Richie, you are not listening. The hate is coming from you. It is exposed every time you reply to one of my posts. I am begging you to have a discussion with me to either agree with me or change my way of thinking, but you remain in the darkness and refuse to talk civil and constantly state that you think I am an idiot. You never address what I say, but only the character of my person.

I have read though this 3 times and will have to agree with Mr. Lion.

Right On
 

RichieLion you are so correct.

However it is better not to question a Liberal mind with facts because it makes them mad.

When they are mad, which is most of the time, they will accuse you of what they are guilty of and you get nowhere with them.

Great post Villa2. You read it three times and agree with Richie. I will go back an read it all again myself. I may very well be wrong on this one. Like the fact that you are convinced one way and were not negative. I may even owe Richie an apology. Thanks for your direct yet civil comment.

I guess the message here is that if Glenn is right about what he says, how he says it is immaterial to the facts and I am thin skinned to take it personally when I think he is being mean to me and other liberals. That is definitely a possibility. I don't see the need to be mean, but maybe that is just his way of getting me to hear him. It don't work for me, but I can see his intent.

I'm sure lying about
 

weapons of mass destruction was a minor infraction in your mind.

Negative!! No response

Who lied
 

Are you calling Clinton, Kerry, the entire Us congress liars?

They like Bush All were convinced that the weapons were their for many resons including the fact that Sadam Had already used them to kill hundeds of thousands of his fellow citizens.

I don't have time
 

to argue with a child.

Not sure and can swallow this without a cold draft, but I agree with cashman on this one. I still think they might have been there and even still may be moved around, but somewhere in the region right now.

You are correct. There are many videos of high ranking democrats accusing Saddam of harboring weapons of mass destruction.

Re-read what I stated... Beck abhors their "AGENDA".... he attacks their "AGENDA" by educating viewers and exposing things we otherwise would never know... naturally they feel attacked... that's the way it goes.

You're impossible to debate with. You don't seem to understand a simple thought, or maybe refuse to, and use my own words in your reply to me. I'm glad others understand the point I'm making. I often speak with people who cannot listen, but this is ludicrous.

I agree that we should be concentrating on what the legislators in this country do and say everyday. Unfortunately without Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh we would not know what they're up to. They very seldom do or say anything of substance unless it is behind our back. There are so many things that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have exposed that we would be a great loss without them.

Just some thoughts

Yoda

More Thoughts
 

As if we need any more proof that the mainstream media is biased.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...101668063.html

I won't disagree with Yoda's statement as it is true. Thats right, even Democrats feel we should be focused on what Washington is talking about and not Glenn and Rush. Its like watching a train wreck, ya just cant look away. If what they say is true it is of such great importance to the nation and must be stopped. They drive a wedge between the two parties that makes getting enough support to stop what they say they want stopped more difficult. You may not think they are not sarcastic, but hundreds of thousands of Americans do. And thousands of them vote with their feelings and not facts. That is done by both parties.

Let me rephrase the original question I asked for in this string: Do they wish to get support to change the country for the better OR do they wish the country to just throw insults back and forth? If you insult me with your opening line, my ears go closed. If you keep a civil informative tone, I promise I will listen and then you have a good chance of gaining my support. Please change the argument to a debate.

I know, I get it that if you like these guys, you support them no matter what they say or how they say it. Trust me, like Grandma always said, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Now I ask again, do they want to help the country or do they want to keep the parties mad at each other? The more the parties fight, the higher their rating go at the expense of the country.

Now, for the reason I have became obsessed with this issue:

1. I voted for Obama, but I am getting concerned with some things that are happening and some things that have not yet got done.
2. I turn on The Factor and find myself nodding to the positive. Then Beck and I start grinding my teeth.
3. I remember my conservative roots and feel I am still in agreement with most conservative values.

Can anyone simply say that Beck and Limbaugh drive more support with their actions than they attract?

The Villages Florida could be the turning point in American Politics: Not wanting to sound to much like John Lennon, just imagine a group of retired Republicans and Democrats getting together in a recreation center conference room and work to make this country a better place to live. Being all Americans, we do not have to be them and us.

Now thats all I got to say about that.

Then why is it that you continue to insult me? If I am such an idiot, please just ignore me. I am trying my best to give my support to YOUR party, yet you continue to try to drive me away. I just went back and read this entire string and Richie, I want to understand you, but you block my receptiveness with insults in your replies. Be civil and I will listen closely. PLEASE RICHIE. If I have peed on your tulips in the past, I apologize, but lets move on now.

I say the following with the most heart felt sincerity:

I type long maybe boring posts in here as well as starting this one. I pour my heart out in an attempt to give my opinion in a way that might just help someone else understand an issue from a different point of view. Richie, you must agree with something I write if not just parts where I agree 100% with the Conservative view. Yes there may not be a lot, but they are there. Yet you can take a 5 paragraph post from me and come back with a one line insult. I'm human and would love to say I never make a mistake, but I make plenty. So lets talk and not insult. It only distracts from making any progress. With or without you, I am going to try my best to get both parties on this site to talk without insulting each other. Yes I also have posted insults on this site and I am sorry for it. It did nothing but harm. I will do my best not to do it anymore. If you actually feel that I don't understand what you mean, then your right. I am sorry, I don't get you. That said, lets try not to let that stand in the way of progress. I may be stupid, but just maybe you are wrong. Either way, lets drop the insults and in the words of Rodney King, Cant we all just get along.

The polls
 

say that Obama and this Congress are not listening to the people. The majority of the citizens do not want Obamacare or all this spending. Seems the Dems have an agenda and the voters be dammed. They will be reminded this November when they can join the ranks of the unemployed.

Villa, I think that's only part of the story.

If you ask the public if *this* plan (meaning the huge pile of paper Congress passed) is what they wanted, I agree - they say no.

However, when you start getting down to the nitty-gritty, the complexion seems to change. People DO seem to be in favor of aspects of it. In addition, the whole reason this came about was because of dissatifaction with the private insurers.

Hardcore Democrats are angry that the 'public option' went away. So they wouldn't count as supporters of this plan.

Hardcore Republicans who think that this is a government takeover aren't going to poll in favor of it. (Despite the fact that, to my eyes, it looks like a huge government giveaway to the private insurers)

I don't think anyone really has a handle on this (which is NOT a good thing). Polls on the subject are based on what people BELIEVE is in the bill - like the bit in another thread where people thought their employer-paid health insurance premiums were going to be taxed when the reality was far different.

So the polls are not based on facts but on beliefs and those beliefs are based on everything from fact to demagoguery.

What we DO know is that people are fed up with certain ASPECTS of the 'current system'. I don't have much faith that the new law will take care of those problems. We didn't get the debate on the subject that we should have gotten. What we DID get was a lot of screaming on both sides about so-called "death panels" and "don't let the government come between you and your doctor (that's where your insurance company bureaucrat belongs)", etc.

DJPLONG...you are correct in some aspects but I will add this and I suppose only time will tell.....

This health care bill was passed despite the majority of this country not wanting anything close to what was passed. We, and on the surface, our "statesman" felt that health costs were out of control and something needed to be done. This bill, while it will ABSOLUTELY CRIPPLE our economy in the future does NOTHING to address costs. That was lost in the back room dealing and the payoffs to have just something passed.

When you pass major legislation with payoffs and in the smoke filled backrooms then you are not doing the peoples business !