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CoachKandSportsguy 01-24-2021 10:28 AM

Just be prepared for the final wave as vaccine distributions are happening
 
German hospital under quarantine over more infections coronavirus variant | Reuters

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The B117 variant might cause the big shutdown, as its thought to be 50% more infectious with the same hospitalization rate, might just finally overwhelm the healthcare system.

JohnN 01-24-2021 10:35 AM

I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

billethkid 01-24-2021 10:47 AM

What is seen in the squares has been going on for months.
Maybe we have already peaked and the numbers we see today represent...mask or not...social distancing or not...vaccine or not...life style...like it or not.

What we see on the squares represents what percent of the total villages residents?

What percent of residents are still not circulating?

If there was a way to calculate the "active" population....discount the inactive numbers.....then all the new cases, deaths etc as a percent of the active would show much higher more real rates.

Altavia 01-24-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1892086)
I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

Sumter peaked early January...

VACCINE - COVID-19 in Florida (Dr. Jason Salemi)

Stu from NYC 01-24-2021 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1892086)
I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

Just do not understand these people

jblum315 01-24-2021 03:21 PM

They don’t know how to get drunk at home

Bill14564 01-24-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1892238)
Just do not understand these people

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Stu from NYC 01-24-2021 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1892266)
[QzUOTE=Stu from NYC;1892238]Just do not understand these people

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?[/QUOTE]

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know

Byte1 01-24-2021 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1892267)
The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know

Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:

Stu from NYC 01-24-2021 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1892280)
Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:

I do not confront people just avoid those that we think are playing safely.

The problem with your reasoning is the more people who do not take precautions the more cases we get and the longer this goes on.

asianthree 01-24-2021 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1892313)
I do not confront people just avoid those that we think are playing safely.

The problem with your reasoning is the more people who do not take precautions the more cases we get and the longer this goes on.

Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

RaunchyRich 01-24-2021 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1892086)
I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

Maybe they take Chances because they are about to run out of money!

Velvet 01-24-2021 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1892353)
Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

That is beautiful. I am myself very cautious especially for my hubby, and very grateful for the courage of those who contribute so much to our lives.

roob1 01-25-2021 04:32 AM

Do you really believe that the people gathering at these bars are there for altruistic reasons?

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1892266)
The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?


MSchad 01-25-2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1892353)
Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

Well said.
👍

FromNY 01-25-2021 06:18 AM

Afraid? Cautious? Caring? Protective? Does it matter what others do? You cannot control them. Only have control over yourself. Wear the Mask. Wash your hands. Stay healthy with diet , activities and attitude.
This is not going away and although vaccines will help it does not cure. Maybe many years from now in your great grandkids lifetime Covid will be like Smallpox, Polio, and others gone but not forgotten. Yes it would be nice if the carrier at the bar stayed out of Publix but not going to happen. Maybe , just maybe they will follow the request and mask up when they go to Publix and public places.
Maybe the obituaries should state died with Covid refused to wear mask. Or maybe we should all mind our own bodies and health and learn to deal with the world like it is today. No easy solutions. Try to be Kind. Try to lend a helping hand. Stay safe for yourself and those you care about. Or run red-light. Refuse to yield. Slide through on purpose at the STOP sign. Cheat on your taxes . Throw your cigarettes out the window... Get the picture many humans will not do simple civil actions so if you think they will fight the virus keep dreaming.MANY do and will consider the wellbeing of others and themselves. Those are the ones I choose to associate with. Make your choice and move on. Town Square is a very very small part of the world. The behaviors there are no different then weddings, football games, etc. Stay safe.

Eg_cruz 01-25-2021 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1892267)
The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know[/QUOTE]
Agree 100%
I watch Covid spread to 18 people because 1 person was exposed she then gave it to 6, one person from the 6 gave it to 2, then 3 more, one of the 3 gave it to 4, then 2 more. Three got pretty sick and 1 is in ICU in Ocala. All from one not knowing she was exposed in time to stop being around family before giving it to them.
People this is a topical spread don’t kid yourself that it not.

Skunky1 01-25-2021 07:00 AM

Be prepared for coronavirus to be with us forever.

Skunky1 01-25-2021 07:04 AM

The virus does not move. People move the virus.

Two Bills 01-25-2021 07:12 AM

A very popular line dancing class has been hit hard recently.

Girlcopper 01-25-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1892267)
The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know[/QUOTE]
Thats right. It is foolish but the world is packed with half wits. Why care? Patronize the businesses that follow the distancing/mask rules, drive by the ones that dont and live your life safely. As the nitwits die off, more houses for sale for us!

G.R.I.T.S. 01-25-2021 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1892086)
I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

Could it be that these folks have already recovered from the virus? My BIL doesn't wear one since he and his wife tested negative after getting sick with COVID. I'm sure people secretly make judgments.

Larchap49 01-25-2021 07:50 AM

Thank you
 
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1892280)
Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:

You exhibit an unusual amount of common sense and wisdom compared to most. I applaud your line of thinking and agree one hundred percent. Thank you and I hope others upon reading it will modify their narrow minded way of thinking that everyone else should follow their example.

Bay Kid 01-25-2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1892353)
Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

So true. We never know what tomorrow will bring. Enjoy life whenever possible.

CFrance 01-25-2021 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 1892250)
They don’t know how to get drunk at home

That's funny!

richs631 01-25-2021 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1892238)
Just do not understand these people

If you don’t understand it, Stay Home

LarLyn 01-25-2021 08:58 AM

Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

Well said....I was a nurse and yes we never knew what to expect when we went to work each day. Took care of all types of patients and I am still here. Enjoy life and live for today.

Waltdisney4life 01-25-2021 09:10 AM

Sell the fear baby!

Jacob85 01-25-2021 09:23 AM

It would be nice if this were an individual decision but it’s not. If you go out and get infected and don’t know, you could infect a large number of people and here they could die due to the vulnerability of the population

Bill14564 01-25-2021 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by roob1 (Post 1892383)
Do you really believe that the people gathering at these bars are there for altruistic reasons?

I really believe the bar (or restaurant) doesn't care why the people are gathering, their money can be deposited just the same.

I know I have eaten out more and tipped more at my favorite restaurants and bars since the pandemic began; it is my way of doing what little I can to try to help them survive. I don't know what is motivating the people at the squares to patronize those businesses. Yes, maybe a few of them had the same thought that I did and are spending a little more now in hopes that their favorite place will still be there tomorrow.

Mikee1 01-25-2021 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1892495)
It would be nice if this were an individual decision but it’s not. If you go out and get infected and don’t know, you could infect a large number of people and here they could die due to the vulnerability of the population

Well, for that to happen they must be there as well, so they made a decision to be there..
If you go outside you are taking a risk, period. You cannot and should not expect others to look out for you, that is your job. Act according to your comfort level.
Trying to preach to others is like standing in the rain and wondering why you are getting wet...

Topspinmo 01-25-2021 09:48 AM

Why do you think this will be the final wave?

Topspinmo 01-25-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 1892250)
They don’t know how to get drunk at home

No ——- mongering at home :icon_wink:

Topspinmo 01-25-2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 1892441)
Could it be that these folks have already recovered from the virus? My BIL doesn't wear one since he and his wife tested negative after getting sick with COVID. I'm sure people secretly make judgments.


That don’t mean they are not going to spread it. So, they survived or didn’t get sick and hail with rest of us attitude?

Swoop 01-25-2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1892079)
German hospital under quarantine over more infections coronavirus variant | Reuters

The Ireland Event | Epsilon Theory
The Ireland Event | Epsilon Theory

The B117 variant might cause the big shutdown, as its thought to be 50% more infectious with the same hospitalization rate, might just finally overwhelm the healthcare system.

When Italy was crushed by Covid, we were told that in two weeks we would be experiencing the same thing. When Florida reopened after our short lockdown, we were told the second wave would be horrific. When the squares reopened we were told that The Villages would be overrun with the virus. And when a rally was held in The Villages we heard it would be a “super spreader” event. Sounds like a cult leader constantly proclaiming the end of the world. Here’s a very simple question. Why have states like Pennsylvania, who have had strict lockdowns and mask mandates since the onset of the virus still faired worse than Florida?

terrild53 01-25-2021 10:07 AM

For the most part, my observation has been that most Villagers were careful when things were shut down early on. Little by little as things opened back up, people have relaxed and are not being as cautious because people are not dropping like flies from Covid. We went to see friends in their band at CF BW in mid Dec because we hadn’t been out anywhere for a very long time. No one wore masks except us (until we had dinner), other people sat 10 to a table, the bar was crowded, inside & out, no “distancing,” people dancing & having a good time. We sat farther away from friends and enjoyed ourselves for a couple hours. A week later we found out that 2 people at one of the packed tables were Covid positive. Their symptoms were not severe enough to he hospitalized but they were sick, mainly respiratory, cough congestion, headache, fatigue. No contact tracing done to my knowledge but another friend informed us about it over a week later! We had PCR testing done the next day and were negative. Then 3 more friends tested positive about 7-10 days later. They had respiratory symptoms as well, more intense than the other people but thankfully for them, not severe enough for hospitalization. We had another Covid test since to confirm our negative status. So, don’t kid yourselves, Covid is out there. Maybe you’ll be lucky like these friends were and have symptoms resembling influenza, but maybe you’ll be one of the unfortunate ones who ends up in the hospital or dead.That’s the scary part; you don’t know which. We are not willing to take the chance again due to underlying health issues. Hopefully we’ll get the vaccine when it is available in Sumter County again and can reduce our risk of contracting the virus. Til then, we choose to he cautious, wear masks, handwashing etc and do things at home, get out to walk, ride bikes etc. That’s our choice. Stay safe people and be smart. This virus is very unpredictable.

merrymini 01-25-2021 10:44 AM

States with the most restrictions seem to have the highest numbers.
People do not drop like flies from this disease.
Just because you “know” someone does not mean you are safe.
Most people who get the virus said they wore their masks most or all of the time.
The statistics cannot be relied upon, everybody has an axe to grind.
We are being played.

jimjamuser 01-25-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1892266)
The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Logic would say that we need to concentrate on our problems and control CV BEFORE we can get the economy back to normal. This thread began with what a science-based country like Germany is doing about the problem. They have shown more success in dealing with CV than in the US. They are closing down even MORE tightly as a scientific response to the more virulent CV mutation that they are experiencing. The US already has some of this variant and can expect more. Then the South African variant will be coming.

Florida and TV Land have reacted with an unscientific response to CV. It has opened its economy too much. Businesses need to react to this completely new paradigm. For example, restaurants could become takeout and delivery only. There is no reason for continuing the old system of indoor dining. Having a meal outside of your own home is not worth dying yourself and destabilizing society. The same thing applies to The entertainment at the squares and any proposed indoor concerts would be just playing into the hands of the CV monster. Things are no longer the SAME. We must get used to that IN THE SHORT TERM in order to HAVE a future of "back to NORMAL". Businesses MUST evolve to meet the new challenge or go bankrupt! If the average citizen spends their money to support dangerous activities and events they bear the responsibility when hospitals close and chaos takes over society. A dollar spent is a vote for destabilizing America and helping the VIRUS to spread OR giving up some temporary amusements for the return to a REAL healthy America. Stay at home, exercise, entertain yourself, watch TV, and Zoom with your friends and relatives. Do that for the future strength of your country!

jimjamuser 01-25-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1892280)
Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:

Mountain climbing is WAY less dangerous than dangerous behaviors that SPREAD the CV! If a mountain climber falls he may kill himself or get hurt and affect a FEW rescuers and hospital workers. People way back last March that ignored CV and wandered about society in a"normal manner", which began the SPREAD of this deadly disease eventually caused about a half of a million US citizens to die. That is MY case for which of the 2 are more dangerous - a few people affected by climbing a mountain OR 500,000 DEATHS. The US government should NOT ban mountain climbing - but it should BEGIN a war against the further spread of the old and more deadly new CV! - a war that will require increased sacrifice by ALL US citizens! I rest my case.

It is a war and a battle for the hearts and minds of local citizens, like here in TV Land. Resist the temptation to gather either indoors or outdoors in groups. Resist the squares. As long as you hear the square's music calling out to gather in groups - it will represent a failure of local people and their leadership to understand the severity of continuing to spread this DISEASE. We can and SHOULD personally take steps to defeat this CV monster. Lives depend on it!

Spalumbos62 01-25-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 1892441)
Could it be that these folks have already recovered from the virus? My BIL doesn't wear one since he and his wife tested negative after getting sick with COVID. I'm sure people secretly make judgments.

They are negative right now.

What is bothersome are the ones that don't wear mask or eat out all the time, and socialize....while the rest of us stay home,never eat out or enjoy shopping. But they are able to find a shot and their thought process is ',great, now we can go out more w/o a mask. Cuz we got the shot" and the rest of us stay home, still looking for a slot 🤦*♀️


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