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Leadbone1 03-05-2021 07:42 AM

More vaccinations, less Masks!
 
Encouraged to see less folks walking around with their faces covered up. Since getting fully vaccinated I personally have stopped wearing a mask in any business establishment, with doctors office being the only exception. Encouraged to see others joining me. I’ve never believed that they stop a virus anyway. I hope that people are done being controlled and will embrace FREEDOM once again. For those who don’t buy into any of this, by all means, you have the freedom to stay home or double mask when in public if you want to. I and many others however are totally done with all this control and paranoia!

JohnN 03-05-2021 07:48 AM

I encourage all people to not wear masks too, so everybody gets exposed to Covid sooner and we reach "herd immunity" sooner. We're gonna get exposed anyway, vaccine or not, so let's just do it.

I have been vaccinated, but I'll continue to wear a mask though I dislike it. If only for the peace of mind and consideration of many others and an added tad of safety for myself since I believe they do help. Florida's (and the nation's) virus death toll rate is nothing to brag about.

I wish health and happiness to everyone.

kcrazorbackfan 03-05-2021 07:56 AM

To everyone that doesn’t want to wear a mask, go ahead, just don’t invade my 6’ space around me. I have, and will continue to do so, tell people to back off.

Bogie Shooter 03-05-2021 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1910937)
To everyone that doesn’t want to wear a mask, go ahead, just don’t invade my 6’ space around me. I have, and will continue to do so, tell people to back off.

I agree!
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All this anti-mask BS is getting old.......nobody is really listening to you anyway.

Leadbone1 03-05-2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1910937)
To everyone that doesn’t want to wear a mask, go ahead, just don’t invade my 6’ space around me. I have, and will continue to do so, tell people to back off.

“Your Space” Good luck with that. If you said that to me I would tell you to just go home if your that paranoid!

Stu from NYC 03-05-2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1910956)
“Your Space” ������ Good luck with that. If you said that to me I would tell you to just go home if your that paranoid!

Nothing wrong with asking people politely to stand 6 ft behind me.

Happinow 03-05-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1910926)
Encouraged to see less folks walking around with their faces covered up. Since getting fully vaccinated I personally have stopped wearing a mask in any business establishment, with doctors office being the only exception. Encouraged to see others joining me. I’ve never believed that they stop a virus anyway. I hope that people are done being controlled and will embrace FREEDOM once again. For those who don’t buy into any of this, by all means, you have the freedom to stay home or double mask when in public if you want to. I and many others however are totally done with all this control and paranoia!

Totally agree. The gig is over. Haven’t worn a mask in 8 months.

JohnN 03-05-2021 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1910956)
“Your Space” ������ Good luck with that. If you said that to me I would tell you to just go home if your that paranoid!

....and the next day - the alternate online villages paper reads - angry man pulls out a gun on another man in a fight over masks

Swoop 03-05-2021 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1910930)
I encourage all people to not wear masks too, so everybody gets exposed to Covid sooner and we reach "herd immunity" sooner. We're gonna get exposed anyway, vaccine or not, so let's just do it.

I have been vaccinated, but I'll continue to wear a mask though I dislike it. If only for the peace of mind and consideration of many others and an added tad of safety for myself since I believe they do help. Florida's (and the nation's) virus death toll rate is nothing to brag about.

I wish health and happiness to everyone.

The Florida death toll may be “nothing to brag about”. But considering Florida doesn’t have, and has never had, a mask mandate, we have done better than most mask mandated states. Over the past year, if masks were truly effective, there would have been a discernible difference between the states that did, and did not, have mandates. You can show me all the YouTube videos you want about masks, but the actual death count speaks volumes about the effectiveness of masks...

Gulfcoast 03-05-2021 08:37 AM

Between natural immunity and the vaccinations I'm feeling optimistic that masks will be a thing of the past by this summer. I'm seeing fewer and fewer people wearing them. Every day the risk of contracting the virus goes down which is awesome.

JohnN 03-05-2021 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1910975)
The Florida death toll may be “nothing to brag about”. But considering Florida doesn’t have, and has never had, a mask mandate, we have done better than most mask mandated states. Over the past year, if masks were truly effective, there would have been a discernible difference between the states that did, and did not, have mandates. You can show me all the YouTube videos you want about masks, but the actual death count speaks volumes about the effectiveness of masks...

I don't want to show you any videos at all. Do as you choose. Good luck.

vison34 03-05-2021 08:47 AM

Wearing a mask
 
Being humble towards others rather than saying this is my right and the hell with you must be very hard. Does a mask really hurt you????? Do you wonder why stores and medical facilities require masks???

billethkid 03-05-2021 08:48 AM

eventually the anti mask/non vaccine folks will be the most vulnerable group left!!

Bogie Shooter 03-05-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1910988)
eventually the anti mask/non vaccine folks will be the most vulnerable group left!!

The will give the new strains a place to feed on...........

Leadbone1 03-05-2021 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1910988)
eventually the anti mask/non vaccine folks will be the most vulnerable group left!!

And since we still live in the United States of America it is their choice to be in that group! That seems to be a concept that a lot of people have forgotten

Leadbone1 03-05-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by vison34 (Post 1910986)
Being humble towards others rather than saying this is my right and the hell with you must be very hard. Does a mask really hurt you????? Do you wonder why stores and medical facilities require masks???

I have been in Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, restaurants, and none of them have said a word to me about not wearing a mask because legally they cannot. There is no legislatively mandated requirement to wear a mask in the state of Florida. Stores just can’t make up their own rules. They can request, but they cannot demand it.

Bonnevie 03-05-2021 09:08 AM

the vaccine isn't 100% fool proof, especially with the variants. I wonder how history will record this mania that wearing a mask is such an affront to one's freedom especially as it compares to the sacrifices of others though out history.

continuing to wear a mask reinforces their need until the majority of people can be vaccinated. why some want to plant their flag on this issue astounds me.

Swoop 03-05-2021 09:19 AM

The same people who say, follow the science, are the same ones who ignore the facts. The numbers do not lie. Strict mask mandate states have done no better that states without mandates.

Chi-Town 03-05-2021 09:27 AM

I go with the more vaccinations premise, but less masks not yet.

patfla06 03-05-2021 09:46 AM

You still need to wear a mask!
Why is this so difficult?

Leadbone1 03-05-2021 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911025)
The same people who say, follow the science, are the same ones who ignore the facts. The numbers do not lie. Strict mask mandate states have done no better that states without mandates.

Exactly! Unfortunately there are people that embrace being controlled and filled with paranoia! Figure that out?

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-05-2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1910926)
Encouraged to see less folks walking around with their faces covered up. Since getting fully vaccinated I personally have stopped wearing a mask in any business establishment, with doctors office being the only exception. Encouraged to see others joining me. I’ve never believed that they stop a virus anyway. I hope that people are done being controlled and will embrace FREEDOM once again. For those who don’t buy into any of this, by all means, you have the freedom to stay home or double mask when in public if you want to. I and many others however are totally done with all this control and paranoia!

Yes, everyone please feed the angry adults who want to spread FEAR and bully everyone else into staying home, by refusing to wear masks for just a little while longer! That way, people who aren't vaccinated yet (because they're not eligible), like the restaurant workers, golf pros, rec center employees, the guy who fixes your roof, etc - they won't know which ones of you were vaccinated and which ones of you might be spreading COVID.

Nothing says "love thy neighbor" by making people afraid to go to work every day.

Two Bills 03-05-2021 09:58 AM

Nothing better than being dead right!:icon_wink:

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-05-2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1911011)
I have been in Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, restaurants, and none of them have said a word to me about not wearing a mask because legally they cannot. There is no legislatively mandated requirement to wear a mask in the state of Florida. Stores just can’t make up their own rules. They can request, but they cannot demand it.

Legally they absolutely can. They have chosen not to. Supermarkets and restaurants are private property. The proprietor of that property (and designated representatives) have the RIGHT to make you leave, for any reason that doesn't violate the Civil Rights act. Your freedom of expression ends on the sidewalk outside their parking lot.

Swoop 03-05-2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1911044)
Exactly! Unfortunately there are people that embrace being controlled and filled with paranoia! Figure that out?

Rather than actually “following the science” they would prefer to burry their mask covered heads in the sand...

mulligan 03-05-2021 10:24 AM

I think in order to get insurance for any covid related medical treatments, you should have to show your medicare card and proof of vaccination. Don't have both, sorry cash up front.

billethkid 03-05-2021 10:39 AM

In addition to medical providers where the rule is no mask no entry....there are several businesses in TV that advocate and enforce no mask no service.

I do not think any business that enforces mask wearing thinks for one second about violating anybody's rights. They are, like their medical counterparts concerned about deterring the transmitting or contracting the proven, deadly virus....and the protection of their employees and customers.

Exercise your right to not wear a mask. Expect to not be served in some locations.

Gulfcoast 03-05-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1911079)
In addition to medical providers where the rule is no mask no entry....there are several businesses in TV that advocate and enforce no mask no service.

I do not think any business that enforces mask wearing thinks for one second about violating anybody's rights. They are, like their medical counterparts concerned about deterring the transmitting or contracting the proven, deadly virus....and the protection of their employees and customers.

Exercise your right to not wear a mask. Expect to not be served in some locations.

I agree with this 100%. If a business requires/enforces masks, I'll wear one or I'll simply shop somewhere else.

Judging from my recent travels, the whole mask thing is really beginning to fall by the wayside with fewer and fewer people wearing them.

Byte1 03-05-2021 11:40 AM

I have my shots, and after 12 days no longer wear a mask unless the business requires it.....maybe. For those that say the vaccine is not a 100%, you are probably wrong. For as many "experts" that say it is not 100%, I can find as many that say it is 100%. 100% that you will NOT be hospitalized. And for those that insist that you can carry the virus, the only way you can after vaccinated is to carry it on your clothes. If you advise folks to step back 6 ft from you AFTER you have been vaccinated, you are likely to get some resistance because there is no "personal" space in a business. It is just a polite thing to do, IF you feel inclined. Many of us get a bit impatient with the fear mongering, hysteria and don't blame us if we are going back to "NORMAL." I see absolutely NO reason to continue to wear a mask after being inoculated and then waiting the suggested 12 days. If you are really that paranoid that you still think that "safe" folks should wear a mask, then maybe you should seek some professional assistance to help you get over your fear. Even without the shots, I did not worry or care about anyone shopping around me without their wearing a mask. I really expect to see a bunch of you suggesting that everyone continue to wear a mask during flu season. Well, Americans love their FREEDOM and you can wish in one hand and **** in the other.....you know how the saying goes. I have not heard anyone on here come up with a valid or even a good reason as to why one should endure the two shot regimen and then continue to wear a mask. If you suggest that it is for the "comfort" of others, I would have to say that in my opinion, you are out of your mind.
I am not a "Non-Vax'er"
I am not a "Non-Masker."
I have my vaccination and I have coddled the hysterical long enough regarding the wearing of a mask. If my resisting the wearing of a mask now, is considered being a "big meanie" then I am a big meanie and can live with it.
My read on the issue, and the version I plan to live by until proven wrong, is that once I achieve immunity I will not catch the virus and if I ingest virus spores(?) then they will be destroyed by my antibodies and not transmitted to others. Do not insist that I am wrong unless you can PROVE otherwise. Quoting a political hack like Fauci means nothing to me, because I never liked him and do not trust him to be truthful. When is the last time he has seen a patient?
And for those that try to shame folks that are vaccinated because they no longer wear their mask, ...shame on you! Just because no one knows if I have had my shots or not, means nothing to me. I know, and that is all that is important. If you do not know and you fear me, stay the he** away. Like I have said before, I am waiting to my custom T shirt that says "Have shots, but still keep your distance." I never did like folks in my "personal" space. I am NOT your keeper. If you need coddling, they have nursing homes for you. Don't presume to dictate how I should act just to please you. I consider that as your being selfish.

You do what you wish. But, I find it hilarious that you would put yourself through getting these shots and then continue to act like you are going to get doused with acid rain every time you leave your home. If you do not have the shots, then that is all on you. You wear the mask and you stay your distance IF you fear contact with others. I fulfilled my obligation to you by making myself "safe." Now, it is up to you to do the same or stay home. If you do not wish to stay home, do not blame me if you catch the covid. I just don't care. I do not care if you wear your mask for the rest of your life. Do not expect me to conform to your standards, just because you are a whimpy little sissy that's too weak to take care of yourself. How many of you can tell that I have never had a flu vaccination? Do you insist that everyone wear a mask to protect you from the flu?
Never mind, I ran this one on and on again. Some folks on here should just start a club of losers that can hold each other up so you don't hurt yourself with sharp objects.
Sorry, being harsh again after saying I wouldn't. Must be the reaction from the shots. Probably tends to make one a bit irritable.
Be safe, be happy and don't breath the air...........:D

drcar 03-05-2021 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1911003)
And since we still live in the United States of America it is their choice to be in that group! That seems to be a concept that a lot of people have forgotten

Interesting comments, we live in the USA, and we are REQUIRED to wear a seat belt, sorta the same idea right?

blueash 03-05-2021 12:47 PM

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My read on the issue, and the version I plan to live by until proven wrong, is that once I achieve immunity I will not catch the virus and if I ingest virus spores(?) then they will be destroyed by my antibodies and not transmitted to others. Do not insist that I am wrong unless you can PROVE otherwise.
Ok, I can prove otherwise. The vaccines in data submitted for their approval did 100% prevent hospitalization and death from Covid. The same data showed, however, that persons who had been fully immunized could catch Covid with clinical symptoms but not severe symptoms. If you are clinically ill, you are contagious. Period.
Can I still get COVID-19 after the vaccine? | wbir.com
SoCal nurse who contracted COVID-19 after vaccination urges others to still get the vaccine - ABC7 Los Angeles
After COVID-19 vaccination: Is it OK to visit with friends and loved ones? - Mayo Clinic

So the 5% who do not get protection are still capable of becoming ill and spreading disease. It is a higher percent with the newer J&J vaccine. This, of course, does not answer the question, can a person who never develops clinical illness catch Covid and spread it. This is not a trivial question as it is well known that subclinical Covid is very common and those persons are contagious. Nothing is known about vaccine protection against sub-clinical disease.

By the way Dr. Fauci is certainly not a political hack. You may not understand infectious disease as he does, having spent his career on the subject. And you certainly show a lack of scientific education when you write about ingesting virus spores. Please don't pontificate on the science involved in the public health recommendations. You can have an uninformed opinion, of course, but there are actual virologists and infectious disease experts who would differ with your conclusions.

MSchad 03-05-2021 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1910988)
eventually the anti mask/non vaccine folks will be the most vulnerable group left!!

And what will have changed for them from day one till then?

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-05-2021 12:50 PM

At this point in the game, I'm mostly continuing to wear a mask inside buildings (except that one time at World of Beer) out of respect for people who want to be vaccinated but aren't eligible yet (or haven't been called for their appointment yet), and who want to start returning to normal but are hesitant and concerned about the risks of the spread of the virus. If they see that most people are respectful of their science-based, practical, logical concerns, it will make them more eager to be out and about, and help make the entire community healthier, and more mentally at ease.

I don't really worry about my own health. Working in a supermarket for most of the pandemic, with people who REFUSED to wear masks and coughed, sneezed, stood up close and personal to me, touched me, etc etc - if I haven't gotten sick yet, I'm not gonna get sick.

But there are people who WANT to return to normal - they want to take the masks off, they want to be vaccinated. Those are the people who I'm wearing the mask for. Out of respect for them.

Byte1 03-05-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1911138)
At this point in the game, I'm mostly continuing to wear a mask inside buildings (except that one time at World of Beer) out of respect for people who want to be vaccinated but aren't eligible yet (or haven't been called for their appointment yet), and who want to start returning to normal but are hesitant and concerned about the risks of the spread of the virus. If they see that most people are respectful of their science-based, practical, logical concerns, it will make them more eager to be out and about, and help make the entire community healthier, and more mentally at ease.

I don't really worry about my own health. Working in a supermarket for most of the pandemic, with people who REFUSED to wear masks and coughed, sneezed, stood up close and personal to me, touched me, etc etc - if I haven't gotten sick yet, I'm not gonna get sick.

But there are people who WANT to return to normal - they want to take the masks off, they want to be vaccinated. Those are the people who I'm wearing the mask for. Out of respect for them.

How is that respect? They are probably telling themselves, "why bother to get the shots if I have to continue to wear a mask?" No disrespect intended but I find that idea of "respecting" someone else by coddling them to be a major problem in this country. And of course, this is just my opinion. I find it to be condescending and would be insulted if I was on the other end of your "respecting." Why not just be honest and say that you do not trust the vaccine?

kathyspear 03-05-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1911131)
Interesting comments, we live in the USA, and we are REQUIRED to wear a seat belt, sorta the same idea right?

Some people think those laws are unconstitutional.

kathy

Neils 03-05-2021 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1911011)
I have been in Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, restaurants, and none of them have said a word to me about not wearing a mask because legally they cannot. There is no legislatively mandated requirement to wear a mask in the state of Florida. Stores just can’t make up their own rules. They can request, but they cannot demand it.

Wrong. If you are on their property they can make the rules. You comply or trespass

Byte1 03-05-2021 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1911134)
Ok, I can prove otherwise. The vaccines in data submitted for their approval did 100% prevent hospitalization and death from Covid. The same data showed, however, that persons who had been fully immunized could catch Covid with clinical symptoms but not severe symptoms. If you are clinically ill, you are contagious. Period.
Can I still get COVID-19 after the vaccine? | wbir.com
SoCal nurse who contracted COVID-19 after vaccination urges others to still get the vaccine - ABC7 Los Angeles
After COVID-19 vaccination: Is it OK to visit with friends and loved ones? - Mayo Clinic

So the 5% who do not get protection are still capable of becoming ill and spreading disease. It is a higher percent with the newer J&J vaccine. This, of course, does not answer the question, can a person who never develops clinical illness catch Covid and spread it. This is not a trivial question as it is well known that subclinical Covid is very common and those persons are contagious. Nothing is known about vaccine protection against sub-clinical disease.

By the way Dr. Fauci is certainly not a political hack. You may not understand infectious disease as he does, having spent his career on the subject. And you certainly show a lack of scientific education when you write about ingesting virus spores. Please don't pontificate on the science involved in the public health recommendations. You can have an uninformed opinion, of course, but there are actual virologists and infectious disease experts who would differ with your conclusions.

Like I said, there are experts with both views and I prefer the one that sounds more logical. You are correct that I am not an expert, and I admitted that. However, I can also tell the difference between BS and chocolate cake.
I certainly will not use a questionable news media for advice and I will not give much stock to our gov. run or subsidized medical experts.
If you are sincere about researching the validity of the vaccines, then try looking at both sides. I did and will go with private sector professionals.
If I thought that I could still get covid after receiving the vaccination, or even transmit it, then I would not have allowed them to put that crap in me. Tell me why anyone with a lick of sense would get the vaccination if they were told it wouldn't do anything for them. As a matter of fact, that is probably why a whole lot of younger folks refuse to get vaccinated.
But like I said, this is my opinion. I doubt you will consider it, but there are some interesting studies out there by Israeli scientists that are pretty intriguing. They also have an interesting nasal spray that has been 99.99% effective in killing viruses being inhaled through the nose.
But, if it make folks more hysterical, panic driven and dependent on the gov. let's not be positive about the fact that covid is almost a nothing burger now that the death rate from covid is way down. And it is not necessarily from wearing masks. And isn't it funny that the interest is driven by politics? And YES, fauci really IS a political hack.

Byte1 03-05-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1911153)
Wrong. If you are on their property they can make the rules. You comply or trespass

Maybe true, and yet NO ONE is being ejected from any business.....:boom:

stanley 03-05-2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1911131)
Interesting comments, we live in the USA, and we are REQUIRED to wear a seat belt, sorta the same idea right?

Not really...wearing seat belts is the law

Byte1 03-05-2021 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1911049)
Nothing better than being dead right!:icon_wink:

There's only a couple folks that I recall that have gotten out of here alive and that was a long time ago and recorded in the Scriptures.
My suggestion is to do what you feel is right for you, not what someone else wants you to do that you don't even know. Selfish or is it self-survival?


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