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Villages Kahuna 03-25-2021 09:34 AM

Daily Sun’s Definition of “Increased Taxes” Is Amazing
 
The Sumter County commissioners, including three who ran and were elected on the promise of rolling back a 25% increase in property taxes, voted to do just that on Tuesday.

The special meeting to vote on the question was scheduled before the period agreed on to “study the effect of the tax rollback on county property owners” was made necessary because of the bill proposed by State Representative William Hage to cap impact fees charged to developers to a low single-digit percentage. Hage’s proposed law would have been retroactive to January 1, 2021, and if passed would essentially protect the Developer (and all Florida Real estate developers) from the obligation to pay impact fees created by the commissioners concurrent with the rollback of taxes on call Sumter County property owners. To refresh everyone’s memory, Hage is a senior executive of the Developer being paid about $200,000 year. If you see Hage’s proposed law as a huge conflict of interest—and very expensive to county homeowners—you’d be right “on the money”.

But the Developer-owned Villages Daily Sun’s front page headline describing the commissioners passage of the property tax rollback was Commission Pushes Tax Increase Through. The long article in the Wednesday edition describes the increased road and infrastructure impact fees as a “tax increase”. Of course there was no discussion in the article of the fact that county homeowners’ property taxes would have a major reduction from the tax increase passed by the former county commissioners which would have gone into effect next year. To refresh everyone’s memory the former five-member board of county commissioners were all either employees of the Developer or affiliated with contractors working for the Developer.

Draw your own conclusions, but all Sumter County homeowners should be thankful that finally there were three political candidates who followed through on their campaign promises. I know I am.

The other two conflicted commissioners run for re-election in 2022. Keep a eye out for the emergence of candidates challenging their incumbency.

By the way, I predict that both residential and commercial development in the south end of The Villages will continue at the pace desired by the Developer. Somehow they’ll “figure out a way” without the funding of new roads and infrastructure which would have been provided by ALL Sumter County homeowners!

Advogado 03-25-2021 09:43 AM

To file an ethics complaint against Hage, go here: http://www.ethics.state.fl.us/Docume...PDF?cp=2020913

dewilson58 03-25-2021 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1920846)
Of course there was no discussion in the article of the fact that county homeowners’ property taxes would have a major reduction from the tax increase passed by the former county commissioners which would have gone into effect next year.


How much will this major reduction be???

Villages Kahuna 03-25-2021 09:55 AM

25%... Sooner Rather Than Later
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1920855)
How much will this major reduction be???

It won’t be a” reduction “. It just won’t be an increase.

The increase in property taxes passed by the former county commissioners was up to 25%. The chances are that amount wouldn’t have been assessed in the first year, but at the planned pace of development the increase probably would have been assessed within a year or two. The rollback passed by the new County commissioners will prevent that large increase from being assessed.

saratogaman 03-25-2021 10:01 AM

That headline -- "Commission Pushes Tax Increase Through" -- should have read: "Commission Kills Special Fee Discount for Developers"

Bill14564 03-25-2021 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1920860)
It won’t be a” reduction “. It just won’t be an increase.

The increase in property taxes passed by the former county commissioners was up to 25%. The chances are that amount wouldn’t have been assessed in the first year, but at the planned pace of development the increase probably would have been assessed within a year or two. The rollback passed by the new County commissioners will prevent that large increase from being assessed.

???? My property taxes actually increased 25% in 2019. I checked some other properties and their property taxes actually increased as well. The increase did in fact happen.

dewilson58 03-25-2021 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1920860)
It won’t be a” reduction “. It just won’t be an increase.

The increase in property taxes passed by the former county commissioners was up to 25%. The chances are that amount wouldn’t have been assessed in the first year, but at the planned pace of development the increase probably would have been assessed within a year or two. The rollback passed by the new County commissioners will prevent that large increase from being assessed.

A swing & A miss.


I will pitch this one under-hand so maybe you can get a piece of it.
You stated: property taxes would have a major reduction from the tax increase passed by the former county commissioners


The increase is already in place.
You have defined future reductions as MAJOR.
Please define.


The increase in the impact fee will generate a couple million dollars from a couple thousand new Villages homes. The tax increase generated $50mil. $2mil out of $50mil is extremely minor.


Please explain your major reduction (that TV's sales paper forgot to mention)


:)

Vikingjunior 03-25-2021 10:25 AM

Department of Justice needs to take a look at Hage.

Advogado 03-25-2021 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogaman (Post 1920862)
That headline -- "Commission Pushes Tax Increase Through" -- should have read: "Commission Kills Special Fee Discount for Developers"

Unfortunately, by not going to 100%, the Commission didn't kill the road-impact discount. They just wounded it. The Commission still needs to address the zero impact fee for other county infrastructure.

Stu from NYC 03-25-2021 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogaman (Post 1920862)
That headline -- "Commission Pushes Tax Increase Through" -- should have read: "Commission Kills Special Fee Discount for Developers"

If the paper was independent and could print what a living breathing editor would approve it might have said that.

However as we all know it prints what the developer approves.

Stu from NYC 03-25-2021 11:07 AM

It seems to me that the commissioners did in fact make a compromise to the developer by not putting in 100%.

PennBF 03-25-2021 03:44 PM

Deserve It
 
I have to believe that the many alleged abuses going on are well deserved by the residents. Unless I have missed something it has been alleged the Florida Legislature
representing the Village's is being paid significant money by the Organization, which in some circles would be at a minimum a breach of ethics?, Of course you have all of the other alleged influence peddling and threats of law suits if you don't agree with what is going on. In the middle of these questionable deals you have a State Attorney General who has turned a deaf ear to the goings on and a Governor who watched while some of the first people who received vaccine shots were somehow connected to the powers of the Organization and were not, by the rules at the time entitled to get the shots before the serious ill residents and elderly were to receive them. How deep and how wide is this alleged abuse and is there anyway to stop the train at this point? It is and would be
redundant to repeat all of the alleged abuses and potential violations as unless you have
been sleeping under a rock you are familiar with them. :ohdear:

Villages Kahuna 03-25-2021 06:12 PM

Property taxes are assessed in arrears. The basic procedure is that the county commissioners agree on a County budget for the upcoming year. That budget includes the costs of roads and infrastructure billed to the county by the Developer. Those costs don’t necessarily represent the total cost of the roads and other Items of infrastructure which the Developer has deemed necessary for the planned continued residential and commercial development. In the past there has been little, if any, negotiation between the Developer and the commissioners, who represent the taxpayers. The Developer would propose how much he intended to pay to fund the infrastructure and the balance would come from tax revenues. There weren’t arms length negotiations between the parties resulting in the need or adequacy of the proposed roads and other items, or how much of the cost would be borne by the Developer and the taxpayers. Those numbers were simply proposed by the Developer and approved by “his” County commissioners.

Once that process was complete, the commissioners could arrive at the assessed valuation of the property to be taxed and the millage (rate) required to balance the proposed County budget.

What changed in late 2019 was that the Developer proposed (in private) that the planned roads and infrastructure which he deemed necessary in the south end of The Villages, after the amounts the Developer proposed should be his responsibility, would require increased property tax revenues in an amount up to 25%. That tax increase was approved by the five incumbent county commissioners. All those commissioners were long-term office holders and all had almost certain conflicts of interest between their relationships with the Developer and their responsibility to represent Sumter County residents and property owners.

That process began the campaign by three individuals to run against three of the incumbent commissioners who approved the 25% increase in the November, 2020 primary and general elections. Their fundamental campaign plank was to roll back the tax increase, shift more of the cost back to the Developer, and establish a more arms-length process for establishing a County budget and the means for financing it. The incumbents were defeated by landslide margins in those elections. The other two incumbent commissioners will run for re-election of their staggered terms in the 2022 elections.

Earlier this week the newly-elected commissioners in fact did vote to roll back the previously-approved property tax increase as well as establish several new impact fees to be paid by the Developer. In Tuesday’s front page article The Daily Sun described the new impact fees as “tax increases”, but they made no mention of the 25% tax rollback, which of course is a tax reduction.

So that brings the situation up-to-date. The first portions of the 25% increase would have been assessed to balance the proposed 2022 County budget based on the assessed valuation of taxable property as of the end of 2021. As the result of the rollback the County budget cannot be balanced totally with property tax revenues. There will have to be a combination of other budget reductions and revenue sources identified in coming months.

So, if some taxpayers incurred large increases in their 2021 tax bills, it was not the result of the 25% increase authorized by the county commissioners in late 2019. The authority for those tax increases has been overturned by the new commissioners. Impact Fees payable by the Developer were simultaneously passed. But the impact fees are insufficient by themselves to balance what is likely to be a 2022 County budget. Significant amounts necessary to balance the 2022 budget will have to come from some combination of spending reductions (including roads and infrastructure), further contributions by the Developer, and increased property taxes deemed appropriate by the commissioners.

Public finance and taxation is complicated. There are complicated, arcane laws, regulations, requirement s for public disclosure, hearings, etc. Hopefully, this post simplified things a bit and TOTV readers have gotten this far.

Bill14564 03-25-2021 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1921010)

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So that brings the situation up-to-date. The first portions of the 25% increase would have been assessed to balance the proposed 2022 County budget based on the assessed valuation of taxable property as of the end of 2021. As the result of the rollback the County budget cannot be balanced totally with property tax revenues. There will have to be a combination of other budget reductions and revenue sources identified in coming months.

So, if some taxpayers incurred large increases in their 2021 tax bills, it was not the result of the 25% increase authorized by the county commissioners in late 2019. The authority for those tax increases has been overturned by the new commissioners. Impact Fees payable by the Developer were simultaneously passed. But the impact fees are insufficient by themselves to balance what is likely to be a 2022 County budget. Significant amounts necessary to balance the 2022 budget will have to come from some combination of spending reductions (including roads and infrastructure), further contributions by the Developer, and increased property taxes deemed appropriate by the commissioners.

Public finance and taxation is complicated. There are complicated, arcane laws, regulations, requirement s for public disclosure, hearings, etc. Hopefully, this post simplified things a bit and TOTV readers have gotten this far.

The millage rates on my 2019 and 2020 tax bills say otherwise. Increased from 5.34 in 2018 to 6.7 in 2019 (the 25% increase) and reduced to 6.43 in 2020.

dewilson58 03-25-2021 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1921022)
The millage rates on my 2019 and 2020 tax bills say otherwise. Increased from 5.34 in 2018 to 6.7 in 2019 (the 25% increase) and reduced to 6.43 in 2020.


Exactly.
He just makes crap up.
:icon_wink:

Velvet 03-25-2021 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1920865)
???? My property taxes actually increased 25% in 2019. I checked some other properties and their property taxes actually increased as well. The increase did in fact happen.

Yep, me too. I have paid the 25% property tax increase twice already; 2019 and 2020 as it was included again even though the taxes did not change much between the years.

J1ceasar 03-26-2021 04:59 AM

Keep in mind tax revenue went up . 50 million.

donassaid 03-26-2021 05:43 AM

Well said. They accuse others of misinformation while they themselves completely mischaracterize the effects of the increase in the impact fees. Kudos to the new Commissioners for standing up to this financial tyranny.

Stu from NYC 03-26-2021 06:04 AM

Well when the developer is the one who puts the food on the table you will do exactly what they tell you to do.

crash 03-26-2021 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1921088)
Well when the developer is the one who puts the food on the table you will do exactly what they tell you to do.

Including pay for it if you don’t speak up.

Altavia 03-26-2021 06:33 AM

Thanks to massive development...

New home owners already pay more than their fair share of taxes due to the Homestead Exemption which is why there were no increases for ten years.

dewilson58 03-26-2021 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1921108)
Thanks to massive development...

New home owners already pay more than their fair share of taxes due to the Homestead Exemption which is why there were no increases for ten years.

:popcorn:
:popcorn:
Please expand & explain this "logic".
:popcorn:
:popcorn:

merrymini 03-26-2021 06:47 AM

My first year of homestead was cancelled by my nonexistent tax increase.

G.R.I.T.S. 03-26-2021 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1920846)
The Sumter County commissioners, including three who ran and were elected on the promise of rolling back a 25% increase in property taxes, voted to do just that on Tuesday.

The special meeting to vote on the question was scheduled before the period agreed on to “study the effect of the tax rollback on county property owners” was made necessary because of the bill proposed by State Representative William Hage to cap impact fees charged to developers to a low single-digit percentage. Hage’s proposed law would have been retroactive to January 1, 2021, and if passed would essentially protect the Developer (and all Florida Real estate developers) from the obligation to pay impact fees created by the commissioners concurrent with the rollback of taxes on call Sumter County property owners. To refresh everyone’s memory, Hage is a senior executive of the Developer being paid about $200,000 year. If you see Hage’s proposed law as a huge conflict of interest—and very expensive to county homeowners—you’d be right “on the money”.

But the Developer-owned Villages Daily Sun’s front page headline describing the commissioners passage of the property tax rollback was Commission Pushes Tax Increase Through. The long article in the Wednesday edition describes the increased road and infrastructure impact fees as a “tax increase”. Of course there was no discussion in the article of the fact that county homeowners’ property taxes would have a major reduction from the tax increase passed by the former county commissioners which would have gone into effect next year. To refresh everyone’s memory the former five-member board of county commissioners were all either employees of the Developer or affiliated with contractors working for the Developer.

Draw your own conclusions, but all Sumter County homeowners should be thankful that finally there were three political candidates who followed through on their campaign promises. I know I am.

The other two conflicted commissioners run for re-election in 2022. Keep a eye out for the emergence of candidates challenging their incumbency.

By the way, I predict that both residential and commercial development in the south end of The Villages will continue at the pace desired by the Developer. Somehow they’ll “figure out a way” without the funding of new roads and infrastructure which would have been provided by ALL Sumter County homeowners!

All posters:
Keep it up! Eventually, we'll be able to enjoy all the perks high fees and taxes bring to states in other areas of the country!

birdawg 03-26-2021 07:08 AM

I was wondering does anyone know where taxes stayed the same or went down for eleven years?

Happydaz 03-26-2021 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 1921122)
All posters:
Keep it up! Eventually, we'll be able to enjoy all the perks high fees and taxes bring to states in other areas of the country!

What the voters of Sumter County wanted was to shift more of the developer’s road costs back to the developer by increasing road impact fees. The 50 million dollars we had to cover in our tax increase of 25% is why the residents revolted and ousted every single incumbent. The rest of the incumbents will be ousted when they come up for reelection including our local representative to the state legislature. We, the residents of Sumter County, refuse to pay for the costs of development. These costs, like in all fast growing counties in Florida, need to be paid for by the developers not the residents. That also means that as developers build non age restricted buildings they need to pay school, fire and other impact fees in addition to road impact fees. We don’t want higher taxes that is why we rose up and changed things. Welcome to the power of the American people when they band together and determine their own future.

dewilson58 03-26-2021 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1921133)
What the voters of Sumter County wanted was to shift more of the developer’s road costs back to the developer by increasing road impact fees. The 50 million dollars we had to cover in our tax increase of 25% is why the residents revolted and ousted every single incumbent.

And how did that work for you???
Impact fee increased $800 for the developer.
On 2500 homes by the developer, $2mil will be collected.
Zero of the 25% or $50mil has been changed.
$2mil out of $50mil ain't a good rollback.

Happydaz 03-26-2021 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1921139)
And how did that work for you???
Impact fee increased $800 for the developer.
On 2500 homes by the developer, $2mil will be collected.
Zero of the 25% or $50mil has been changed.
$2mil out of $50mil ain't a good rollback.

If it was such a minor deal why did the developer fight so fiercely to stop it? This could be the starting point. Other impact fees could rise as well. Fire impact fees would be a good starting point. Progress is made one step at a time. Sit back and watch. Sumter County is set to shift the costs of rapid development back to the developers where it belongs.

PennBF 03-26-2021 07:39 AM

Outrages
 
What is outrages is the breath and how deep these alleged abuses in The Villages go! Beginning with the outrages alleged payoff to a Florida State Legislature. Is this an alleged
Organization functioning to exploit the residents?There seems to be a number of notes that refer to the Developer as the cause however it is alleged that one person could not be the only person driving all of the abuses and that it would take an Organization?:ohdear:

dewilson58 03-26-2021 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1921152)
If it was such a minor deal why did the developer fight so fiercely to stop it? This could be the starting point. Other impact fees could rise as well. Fire impact fees would be a good starting point. Progress is made one step at a time. Sit back and watch. Sumter County is set to shift the costs of rapid development back to the developers where it belongs.

They really didn't fight it "so fiercely".
They really didn't spend $$$ on the fight.
"starting point"......:1rotfl:......Ooooooooooo I'm watching because it's entertaining.
If the average property tax bill went up $400 as a result of the 25% increase, the $2mil collection represents $8. :faint:

Larchap49 03-26-2021 07:40 AM

Impact fee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1920846)
The Sumter County commissioners, including three who ran and were elected on the promise of rolling back a 25% increase in property taxes, voted to do just that on Tuesday.

The special meeting to vote on the question was scheduled before the period agreed on to “study the effect of the tax rollback on county property owners” was made necessary because of the bill proposed by State Representative William Hage to cap impact fees charged to developers to a low single-digit percentage. Hage’s proposed law would have been retroactive to January 1, 2021, and if passed would essentially protect the Developer (and all Florida Real estate developers) from the obligation to pay impact fees created by the commissioners concurrent with the rollback of taxes on call Sumter County property owners. To refresh everyone’s memory, Hage is a senior executive of the Developer being paid about $200,000 year. If you see Hage’s proposed law as a huge conflict of interest—and very expensive to county homeowners—you’d be right “on the money”.

But the Developer-owned Villages Daily Sun’s front page headline describing the commissioners passage of the property tax rollback was Commission Pushes Tax Increase Through. The long article in the Wednesday edition describes the increased road and infrastructure impact fees as a “tax increase”. Of course there was no discussion in the article of the fact that county homeowners’ property taxes would have a major reduction from the tax increase passed by the former county commissioners which would have gone into effect next year. To refresh everyone’s memory the former five-member board of county commissioners were all either employees of the Developer or affiliated with contractors working for the Developer.

Draw your own conclusions, but all Sumter County homeowners should be thankful that finally there were three political candidates who followed through on their campaign promises. I know I am.

The other two conflicted commissioners run for re-election in 2022. Keep a eye out for the emergence of candidates challenging their incumbency.

By the way, I predict that both residential and commercial development in the south end of The Villages will continue at the pace desired by the Developer. Somehow they’ll “figure out a way” without the funding of new roads and infrastructure which would have been provided by ALL Sumter County homeowners!

Correct me if I'm wrong and I may be, but doesn't part of the huge bond I'm paying go toward that.

eyc234 03-26-2021 08:35 AM

Just want my 25% back as promised. Looked at every house on our street and neighborhood and found 2 that went up 25% in actual money paid. I am sure that we will all be happy to get 25% back as promised. If not how about a recall. Do not know the solution but do know that there is massive amount of half truths on both sides.

Topspinmo 03-26-2021 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1920885)
If the paper was independent and could print what a living breathing editor would approve it might have said that.

However as we all know it prints what the developer approves.


Actually any news report or anything written down from second hand source is just an opinion based on no actual first hand facts. So, it can be spin many different ways. Then, there the unidentified source’s that really get’s Hollywood spin.

Topspinmo 03-26-2021 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry chappel (Post 1921159)
Correct me if I'm wrong and I may be, but doesn't part of the huge bond I'm paying go toward that.


IMO that goes directly with interest into developers pockets. The more payments you make the more they make. :)

royalglen 03-26-2021 08:46 AM

Thank you forva clear summary with truthful facts.

cleanwater 03-26-2021 08:47 AM

Thank you, excellent explanation.

dewilson58 03-26-2021 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleanwater (Post 1921213)
Thank you, excellent explanation.

Without attaching your comment to the post U R referring to..........a lot of posters will take credit. :a040:

RMarkland 03-26-2021 08:48 AM

Wonderful response. What about you heading up a group to find candidates for the November 2022 election. At that time two commissioners, and one Florida State Representative (Hage) terms will have lapsed. Will they run for reelection or not? In any case it would be wise to begin finding replacements for those slots.

FlaGrown 03-26-2021 08:52 AM

You conveniently omitted the fact that the three commissioners are democrats who changed their party to Republican in an effort to be elected. Anyone who lies to you up front is likely to lie to you again.

Lottoguy 03-26-2021 08:53 AM

Looks like Marion and Lake counties will be the lower taxed areas now.


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