Cruise Industry Reacts To Florida’s CDC Lawsuit
 

The rub with Desantis will be when more cruise lines requiring vaccinated crews and passengers.

This is not the first time vaccinations of one kind or another are required for travel!

We are in as soon as they require vaccinations and we can leave our mask in our car.

Requiring vaccinations seems to be at the top of their list. So far masks and social distancing are also part of the plan. I suspect they are trying to be as safe as possible to get other Countries to allow them to dock and tour. Don't think leaving the masks in the car will happen this year. Having any kind of outbreak, no matter how small, will hit every news outlet and social media and they don't need that.

Very possible you are correct and that is why we have not booked anything other than a S Caribbean one for December.

Do not see us on a cruise if we have to wear a mask all day on a ship.

Waiting.

I bought my own boat. Now I cruise whenever I want. No mask required.

Yes....masks are such an incredible burden. It is simply the hardest thing anyone could possibly imagine to do. Don't you just find it so difficult to put one loop over one ear and the other loop over the other ear? How dare anyone suggest we should give a damn about our fellow human beings! After all, it is our right to play a part in infecting others with a potentially deadly disease. Don't you just love showing others how little you care about them?

Seriously?

First of all we both got the vaccine as soon as possible.

Second find it rather uncomfortable and will wear it when around others but on vacation if we have to wear it we will find other ways to vacation.

If you want to wear a max, as a vaccinated person, to protect others, who are also vaccinated, you go right ahead. You will be in the minority. A vaccinated person is NOT going to infect someone else.

If you don't want to get vaccinated - I do not give a damn.

That's a pretty definitive position. Got any backing for it? Every single website I checked after searching "can a vaccinated person infect someone else with covid" gave answers ranging from 'possibly' to 'we don't know.' To be fully honest, I did quit reading after a dozen or so.

I was more referring to the CDC guidance that once vaccinated, and with other vaccinated people, there is no longer any need or risk to socially distance or wear masks.

That's the definitive - That a vaccinated person won't carry the virus and infect another vaccinated person. As stringent as CDC has been, when they say there is no longer any risk once vaccinated, and that the masks are no longer needed, I guess I'll take their word for it.

What he said.


I wonder what De Santis will do if the cruise ships start requiring vaccination passports?

Will be interesting.

Cruise lines cannot afford an outbreak of covid so do not see how they do not require vaccinations and covid test upon boarding.

At some point the fear has to end and we need to get back to normal. We aren't there yet but with 3M vaccinations per day it's getting close.

Once everyone who wants a vaccination can get one there should be little or no chance of a breakout. If there is then the vaccine isn't doing what it should.

I'm still of the opinion that I'd rather go on a smaller river boat type of cruise, where there are fewer than 250 passengers and typically no one under the age of 30 on board, and much more room (per person) to spread out and social distance EVEN when it's not required.

I don't like being line line for anything, where the person behind me is breathing down my back. I don't care if they're vaccinated or not. I also don't like being pushed up against other people in line so closely that I can smell the stench of their aftershave.

If social distancing of 2-3 feet or more becomes normal, expected, and "what polite people just DO, naturally" then I'll reconsider my opinion. Til then, I'm pretty much done cruising on the mega-ships for awhile.

The vaccination is supposed to protect you from getting very sick or dying...it does not protect you from getting the virus. You can still get the virus and pass it around so your statement is not the definitive. Not wearing a mask around other vaccinated folks is because if you pass it around they won't get seriously sick or die. If someone does not have the vaccine they are vulnerable.

Then they should stay home or protect themselves.

We've never gotten rid of the common cold.

I'm not running my life scared.

PLEEEEZEE!!!!!

I have tried a dozen or more times to dispel this myth/rumor. If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!! (This does not include the 5% who do not acquire immunity). It is a VACCINE, it was developed to protect people from contracting COVID, not to mitigate any illness they acquire, and hence end the pandemic. Does anyone really think we spent trillions of dollars just to make some individuals less ill????? Nonsense. And yet this myth keeps getting repeated and repeated on this forum and elsewhere. (FYI, this myth started with an article in an obscure medical journal that suggested a vaccinated individual could come in contact with droplets from an infected individual and harbor them in their oropharynx for an hour or so and during that time possibly spread the virus. Their only conclusion was that more research was needed, but the whole premise was somewhat unlikely.)

Bottom line, the previous statement by T was DEFINITIVE

Exactly, and that 5% that the vaccine didn't work for seem to be the thread people use to say 'the vaccine doesn't really protect you....yada yada'.

So, simple math (theoretical)

- every is vaccinated, but in 5% of the people the vaccine doesn't work

- someone in the 5% group gets Covid and somehow manages to give it to someone else in the 5% group (we're already getting into the unlikely field here)

- of those that catch Covid, a great percentage are asymptomatic and don't know they even have Covid - so outbreaks in vaccinated people are about as common as one of us winning the Powerball lottery

And here is some more food for thought that I don't believe has been studied:

To draw an analogy to recombinant hepatitis B vaccine, which is also about 95% effective----when a person who was in the 5% that did not acquire immunity gets re-vaccinated, about 90% of them acquire immunity. Would make an interesting COVID study, could probably get a few million in federal grant $$$.

Great point!

Another aspect is - what if the person gets Moderna, but did not get immunity. So, they vaccinate with Pfizer?

Who's to say that maybe the 95% group is different between vaccines?

There is a study going on in the UK, where people were given two DIFFERENT vaccines to boost the immunity even farther..

U.K. Expands Its Mix-And-Match Covid-19 Vaccine Trial To Include Moderna And Novavax Shots

Interesting study. I wonder if they will do the "salvage" study as well.

For example, the two main chemotherapy regimens for advanced Hodgkin's are MOPP and ABVD. Both are 90+% effective alone. When both regimens are given simultaneously, they are 96% effective. But, if you let the patient fail on one of them and then start the other, you get 99% efficacy. So sometimes more all at once is not better

No problem getting a vaccine, but if I have to wear a mask after paying thousands of dollars to go on a cruise, that is a non-starter. Why would anyone have to were a mask if everyone on the cruise ship has been vaccinated? And even if a few folks got on the ship without a vaccination, why would I care if I have already been vaccinated? If someone WANTS to wear a mask out of an abundance of caution, they are free to do so without ridicule from me, but I will not be joining them. We already have a cruise booked for the fall, but will cancel it for sure if masks are required to cruise.

There is no evidence the vaccination will prevent you from getting or giving the virus to others . Provide your proof or believe what you want , but most people
are not buying the theory of vaccinated people can not spread Covid 19 .

Marine1974. Never said anything to the contrary and do not dispute anything you said. You have clearly made assumptions about my position. Vaccines are only about 95% effective. That's enough for me. Again, if you want to wear a mask, go for it. I will not wear one on a cruise ship. If I want to be forced to wear a mask, I can live my life as I and we all have for over a year now. I am simply saying that if I am paying big $$$ to go on a cruise, it will NOT include a mask.

Thank you for this link, it was interesting as well as the comments by the cruise industry. Of course everyone wants to be safe but a big? Still is what will happen once one passenger or a worker get sick even if a vaccinated after traveling to another Port destination? Will everybody have to stay on board for an extra two weeks? I have not been a cruiser for a while but I have friends who do and I worry for them

As you said in others: Vaccines are only about 95% effective. That's enough for me. Again, if you want to wear a mask, go for it. I would hate to be in that 5% and be sick and symptomatic. Is it enough of a risk for you or me?

I think you speak for 90% of us cruisers...There will always be 10% Chicken Littles!
The CDC says vaccinated people can congregate with no social distancing or masks...
That defines a cruiseship in my book.

You'd not only have to be in that 5%, you'd also have to be in the very unlikely group that even gets sick.

5% is the number that are susceptible, of which only a few percent will actually get Covid, and of those, the majority never even know it.

And the myth lives on. It's like talking to a brick wall.

From the CDC website:

*Vaccines currently approved for use in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19.
*COVID-19 vaccination is an important tool to help stop the pandemic.
*CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is available to you.
*All COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19.

And here is the snippet that the myth promulgators latch on to to repeat ad nauseum that you can still get COVID but a less severe illness if you are vaccinated:

*Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because the vaccines are not 100% effective. When this happens, vaccination might help keep you from getting seriously ill, based on data from clinical studies.

Again, a fully vaccinated and immune person CANNOT get and CANNOT spread COVID. PERIOD!!!!!

You got it!

Let’s face the truth, cruising will be very boring with mask, 6 feet apart, I would not want to go. Imagine, not getting into shows, music venues, karaoke, so much would be canceled or a third or half occupancy on the decks. Close the pools, hot tubs, and so much more. All the complaining all over the ship not to imagine all the mask police trying to ruin the vacations of everyone. Many things are not being thought of here. Since prices of everything has gone up, food quality won’t be the same along with everything else. Rising fuel prices, it will be a nightmare. No more dancing, private island lines for food, forget about it! Lines around the whole island to get a piece of chicken or salad. It may take 3 times the time to get off or on a ship at ports. I’m sure you can imagine the chaos brewing as tempers rise with all the aggravation. Just one real or phony outbreak and everyone is quarantined. Lets see how this plays out. 6’ apart is a joke in the elevators, no cramming in after spending the afternoon on an island to hurry to get the buffet or any other place on the ship. Imagine trying to get to the room after running around in the heat in Jamaica to get a shower! Have yourself the time of your life! Hey folks, I loved cruising! But think about some things that will change

If masks worked we wouldn't be doing this stuff after a year! Wakeup?

The only way this governmental OVER REACH will stop is if WE THE PEOPLE push back and say enough!

This virus is virtually no risk for over 99% of the population. If you are afraid stay home. Let the rest of us keep the world open so you have one to come back to after you've cowered away for so long.

Correct. Depending where in Europe or overseas the cruise ports, some vaccinations are required. This may just be one of them to cruise anywhere

Any cruise line requiring masks and vaccinations can forget my business. I thought we lived in America, the former "home of the brave and land of the free"?

At some point, the cruises will start again in the US. The three largest cruise ship ports in the world are located in Florida. The cruise ships are supposed to be safer than the grocery stores now.

Cruises already started up many months ago from foreign ports, and there’s been no stories about cruise ship disasters, with people getting sick or dying.

When cruising starts up again, we’ll probably take another cruise. Cruising is a fantastic way to travel, which eliminates the hassles of traveling by land. However, we’d would always choose to have a balcony cabin in the future, never an interior cabin, just in case there is a problem.

A cruise requiring all vaccinated crew and all vaccinated passengers would not need social distancing or masks....see golfing eagles post 34 above.

So, the rest of the world has to conform, but we don't?

COVID vaccine passports: More cruise lines and airlines climb aboard