COVID and the CONTINUAL Mixed "EXPERT" messages = SO IRRITATING!
 

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We are SO DONE with the continual (for well over one year now) mis-information / misleading / no information / changing information from the so-called "EXPERTS".

We are both fully vaccinated, and will follow the so-called "rules".. but HAVE HAD IT with 'expert leadership' messages and commucations to us>

front-page artcle on USA Today>

Is herd immunity to COVID-19 possible? Experts increasingly say no.

For almost a year, Americans have been looking forward to herd immunity, when enough people are protected through vaccination or past infection to stop the spread of COVID-19.

Once there, public officials have said, masks won't be necessary and hugging and handshakes – not to mention gyms, bars and indoor dining – can return.

But even as more than half of Americans have received at least one dose of vaccine and many others are protected by recent infections, health experts are moving away from the idea of reaching some magic number.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, doesn't want to talk about herd immunity anymore.

“Rather than concentrating on an elusive number, let's get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can,” he said at a White House briefing last week, a sentiment he's since repeated.
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Herd immunity in US likely impossible, but vaccines can control COVID
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It does seem like we’re shooting at a moving target. However, my impression is that the experts are communicating the best information they have at that moment in time. I also think they are doing the best they can as the information becomes available. If we are frustrated, I can imagine how the experts feel.

I read your link differently.

It seems to be an article pointing out the negative results because of so many individuals and groups
who say the will not get the vaccine.

With a few variations, the message has been consistent, and the message we have been given is to get the vaccine, yet so many, for whatever reason, have said they will not.

Thus, because of American citizens deciding to turn their back on immunization, “herd immunity” appears to be a dream.

Those deriding continuing restriction now have a way out, if you will (promote immunization). Not taking advantage will penalize us all.

If you've had your vaccinations and believe you are protected, why worry anymore if that person or that person may not have been vaccinated? Throw your mask away and enjoy life. Or are you not totally sold on the vaccinations actually working?

What I do is certainly my business.

I simply replied to what I consider a mischaracterization of an article linked.

Just cause you got vaccinated don’t mean you can’t get Covid or pass it on. It just means most likely you won’t become deathly ill from it if you are in the 95%. Now some of us just may be in 5% category. I choose to follow guidelines.

Perhaps you could just use some common sense in addressing this disease as you would any other communicable disease like the flu or a cold. It works just as well.

WELL SAID. People are looking for information not available to ANYONE. It takes more time to truly assess what has happened and what will happen. There is sometimes NO answers to questions.

The virus is not logical, it takes advantage of mistakes we make.

When is this absurd rumor/myth going to end????

According to the CDC----the COVID infection rate among those fully vaccinated is 0.008%. Actually, the CDC reports 5,814 breakthrough cases out of 85 million vaccinated, which by math is 0.00694%

"Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 5,814 breakthrough cases out of more than 85 million people fully vaccinated in the U.S. Public health experts said those numbers show how well the vaccine protects you"

Translation: Only 1 in 13,000 people who were fully vaccinated got COVID, and probably fewer than that could "pass it on"

Get it now?????

Personally, I was surprised since I thought it would be closer to 5%, but apparently the vaccine is conferring more immunity than originally thought.

So please people, stop posting that you can still get and pass on COVID if you are vaccinated. (Yes, Yes 0.008% is not zero, as some members of the American Association of Amateur Physicians with Google have pointed out in other threads)

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The REASON I posted this was due to the (well over one year) CONTINUAL changes for COVID advice, guidance, regulations etc from Fauci & CDC among other "experts".

No masks needed, wear a mask, wear two masks. now ???
Disinfect all surfaces and anything brought into the house, now???
Social Distance of 6 feet, 3 feet., now???
Stay HOME!, now???
Quarantine., now???
Tests are very important, now?
Do not enter other's homes, even family members, now???
Do not travel, now???
Do not go to a church with more than xxx parishioners, now???
Schools should not open - must have distant learning., now???

but - the main topic - WHEN is "Herd Immunity" accomplished? Went from 'no idea' to months ago, 60-70%, then 70-80%, then 80-90%. Now... never???

And, for 'normal folks, who may not trust the vaccine - what incentive may they have to change their mind? Still, mask up, social distance, and no impact to 'herd imunity' for the country...
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But, you can STILL pass it on, so as long I don’t die I don’t care attitude.

Sure you can-----somewhat less than 1 in 13,000.

For comparison, the odds of finding a 4 leaf clover are 1 in 10,000 and according to NASA the odds of being hit by a meteorite are 1 in 3,000.

But yes, once again, none of those are zero:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Common sense
 

Some people have none of the above, so they have to be led by the nose whether it's a green light red light on the street corner or someone on TV telling them to wear masks. It's common sense to continue to wear your mask. It's common sense to take the vaccine if it's available to you even if only 5% of 5% of 5% can still get infected or pass it on to somebody else wouldn't be there the right thing to keep wearing a mask so you don't get infect someone else or get it from someone else. Why do these things bother you so much. Just relax and enjoy life as best as you can. It doesn't matter who's in charge, I believe both sides are trying to do their best as far as this horrible disease goes. I don't blame anybody and I don't give anyone credit for dealing anything better than the next guy because life just happens. Unfortunately people are dead and it has ruined a lot of people's livelihoods but my neighbors certainly didn't do anything bad and my family didn't do anything bad. Just continue to have faith wear a mask is probably another year or two or more and be thankful you're not in a hospital suffering. Like I said common sense and if you don't like what they're saying turn off the darn TV and stop reading those internet comments

Unless we are blind, we have seen most of the experts n big shots not following their own guidelines and recommendations. What does that tell you?

This is science—not religion. If you want dogma that doesn’t change with new facts, go to church.

The Scientific Method works because new information is used to refute or validate hypotheses (speculations). The hypotheses that survive scrutiny become well-tested theories.

A lot of the early guidance resulted from the experts being conservative because the virus was new and they were not certain how it worked. They tried to head off the selfish hoarders who would have bought up all the masks and left none for the heroes fighting in the trenches, so they discouraged mask use. These people are doing the best they can given the circumstances, so please cut them a little slack.

It didn’t help when anti-science leaders told the public to ignore the scientists. That made it much harder to fight the disease. Far fewer people would be dead and we would be closer to working our way back to normal if it hadn’t been for them.

People seem to be confusing the odds of getting sick with the odds of getting sick if you are infected. The odds of getting infected are multiplied by the odds of suffering from the disease if infected to arrive at the total odds of suffering from the disease. The 95% immunity is the probability of not suffering if exposed to the virus (5% chance of becoming ill or 1 in 20). The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from becoming infected—it reduces the chances by 95% of feeling miserable or dying once infected.

So, if the chances of becoming exposed to the virus so that you carry it around were, say, 1 in 1,000, the total odds of getting sick are 1 in 1,000 times 1 in 20 or 1 in 20,000. If people refuse to take sensible precautions, then the odds of getting infected go up as do the odds of suffering.

Well, that's one analysis. I see the "experts" as manipulating the population with dribs and drabs of information (accurate or not) to coerce (convince) the people to do whatever their (or their bosses) whims might be that day. It's criminal injecting hundreds of millions of people with an unapproved (yes, that's correct) concoction in the interest of doing "something" quickly. I remember when Saint Anthony (fauci) was saying that we didn't need to wear masks and that COVID was nothing to worry about. He is the highest paid "know nothing" with a microphone.

A year ago: "Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'"

Risk of coronavirus in U.S. is 'minuscule' NIH's Dr. Anthony Fauci says

Today: "Get vaccinated" (LOL)

No thank you Saint Anthony. My immune system is just fine and fully armed. Plenty of C, D, Zinc, Magnesium.

Dr. Ryan Cole's video (which youtube pulled and the MSM doesn't support because he tells the truth) says it plainly and succinctly:

We don't have a seasonal cold & flu season ... we have a seasonal "lack of vitamin D". It's the same with COVID.

Then, maybe the "experts" should keep their mouths shut instead of pretending that they have answers.

No one knows what the outcome will be of injecting hundreds of millions of people with mRNA shots (not a vaccine) 2, 5, 10 years down the road. They can't possibly know. But, they push the shots (not a vaccine) as if they do know.

This real world data is incredibly encouraging.


CDC: Fewer than 6,000 fully vaccinated Americans contracted Covid

" U.S. health officials have confirmed fewer than 6,000 cases of Covid-19 out of the nearly 77 million individuals in the United States who have been fully vaccinated.

That represents just 0.007% of the 84 million Americans with full protection against the virus.

Out of the 6,000 or so breakthrough infections, 396 people were hospitalized and 74 people died, according to CDC data released last week."

Nice rant and even nicer tag line.

Do you know Tony Fauci?
Have you ever had dinner with him?
Have you ever conversed with him?

Bottom line----when it comes to Fauci, you have no idea what you are babbling about.

And when it comes to your immune system being "just fine" due to Vit C,D, zinc and mag, you are even more clueless.

Did you get your polio vaccine? Or did you take vitamins and argue with the experts?
Smallpox? Tetanus? Diphtheria? Pertussis? Or is it just the COVID vaccine that gets your undies in a bunch?

That's awesome. So, all of the "vaccinated" people should be comfortable leaving the rest of the population to make their own decision about whether to get the shot. Herd immunity is unnecessary then if 99.316% of those fully "vaccinated" can go about their lives and not worry about getting sick.

Only those who choose not to be injected would appear to be at risk. So, leave us alone.
We don't need "passports" or any other checks on our decision making if what you are saying is accurate.

One thing I have learned, there are no experts. If so they change what is going on often. More about control nowadays.

From a strictly "who will and will not get ill or die" point of view, you are correct.
However, the government is responsible to ALL the people, including the anti-vaxers. So with your philosophy we'll all be wearing masks for a long time. Who will pay the bill for those who last 1 month in the ICU? Who will pay for medical care of the long-haulers?

And BTW, IT IS A VACCINE!!! I've posted the definition of a vaccine several times, so now you can go look it up for yourself

"Science, common sense, threat level?"
What "science?" The fact that there IS a virus and that some folks have died WITH it? OK, what's next?
"Common sense?" Common sense is wearing a mask because you say it's common sense? Is it common sense to wear a mask to prevent a virus infection that has less of a chance of affecting you as a lightening strike, a car accident, a drive by shooting, etc? Is it common sense to wear a paper mask and keep adjusting it with your hands when you would normally not even touch your face while shopping?
"Threat level?" What is the REAL threat level after being vaccinated? Some say (experts?) that it is near impossible to pass on the virus since you cannot become infected (or hardly a chance of infection) once vaccinated. If there is less than a one in a thousand chance of even becoming infected, let alone deathly ill from the virus before you are even vaccinated, what are the chances of infection after vaccinated? The truth, not an "expert" theory.
I have been told that there is a much greater chance of a serious injury by motorcycle accident than a car accident injury. Was I supposed to quit enjoying a ride on my motorcycle? After over 50 years of operating a motorcycle without injury, I am supposed to quit because an "expert" suggested that motorcycles are dangerous? I fell off a ladder while painting and injured myself so should I never use a ladder again? It only happened once in over 70 years.
I am not going to attempt to tell anyone else how they should rule their own lives. Just do not tell me how I NEED to run my life or change my lifestyle to suit you. If you believe these so-called "experts" on TV that tell you that you should fear for your life if you don't wear a filthy mask on your face, then by all means go for it. If you feel like it is wrong and dangerous to go to the Village Square to enjoy some music, then stay home and quit telling everyone else that they should feel ashamed for having fun. If you feel that the spacing in a restaurant is not sufficient then don't frequent it, but shut up and leave other folks that can think for themselves alone to enjoy their meal in peace.
I will say this again. It is not anyone else's responsibility for your peace of mind. Your safety is your own responsibility. If you feel that a ghetto street at night is dangerous, do you still walk down it alone at night? If someone else is a fool, it is not your responsibility to make demands of them, unless it directly effects you.
Hope you have a great life. I intend to live mine happy. If that makes you feel that I have disregarded your peace of mine, then you have a problem that is better suited to be addressed with an "expert" not complaining on a social media forum.

Once upon a time all that was needed...."...15 days to flatten the curve....".

Now 15 months later......

I for one do not believe this statement. My being vaccinated means, to me, I won’t “get it” nor will I “pass it on.” I am maskless but mindful of getting too close to others, keep my hands clean and cover my face/nose/mouth if I sneeze or cough.

Again, not only to you, but to the CDC as well

CDC: Only 5814 out of 85 million became infected with COVID after full vaccination-----0.008%

The myth started with an article in an obscure medical journal that simply questioned whether a vaccinated individual could come in contact with COVID and harbor the virus for a few hours and pass it on. They suggested more research. Well, it's 5 months later, and the "more" research is in-----0.008%

So again, I implore people to stop re-posting this nonsense that vaccinated individuals can acquire and pass on the virus.

Just like everything. Move goalpost

Because I get the flu, pneumonia, shingles shots doesn’t mean I won’t get those either.....once vaccinated, I choose to live my life without fear. We’ve had enough.....if you’re fearful, do what you want. It’s becoming more and more about control.

A lightning rod does not keep your home from being struck either. I am also following guidelines. Mine are from REAL doctors. Since there is more chance of getting struck by lightning than infected by the virus now that I am vaccinated, I prefer to enjoy my life. Not telling anyone else that they should do what they feel is uncomfortable.

I listen to what the TV star CDC folks say, but for entertainment value mostly. Like everything else, science is dynamic not static.

73 years old.
Never had a pneumonia shot, a shingles shot, a flu shot, and haven't had a tetanus shot in over 25 years. I do take meds and insulin.

Worried about covid? No. Do I listen to the "experts"? Well I listen, but don't believe much of what they say. Keeping my hands clean and away from my nose and eyes is about it. I wear a mask only in stores that require it. Other than that I don't.
No problem.

Thank you !!!

I agree with "JBeanj". The way that Science works is that they are CONTINUALLY gathering data. As they gather more data they gain more knowledge. They are passing this newfound knowledge on to us as they get it. What do you think is more accurate, information gathered on 3000 individuals or 30 million ? It is not being "wishy-washy", it is just giving you the best information that they have at the time.

Herd immunity may not be possible because a segment of the population doesn't want to be vaccinated, not because of mixed messages from the experts.

I'm with you there. If there's a sign, 'Mask Required', I wear one. If it's only recommended, I don't.

I'm following our governor's advice. If you've been vaccinated you're immune. Act like it.

I'm just waiting to hear from Pete Buttigieg that wearing a mask is infrastructure......

We expect, we demand perfect answers.

In the real world it does not work that way.

What we do, what we should do is the best you can.

Polio. Polio has been wiped out in the United States. It was a horror. I walls a killer.
There were people in a device called an iron lung that would keep them alive till they finally mercifully died.

Before you were allowed to go to school you had to prove you were vaccinated.

Today, imagine the uproar if everyone was forced to get a covid vaccine.

Exactly

Omg....this is the dumbest statement on this thread yet! Lol

So just stay home... problem solved!!