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DeanFL 04-20-2021 03:49 PM

NO DOUBT the verdict will be strongly APPEALED by Defense
 
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With the speed of the jury verdict - Chauvin will be found guilty of some, if not all charges. Not saying right or wrong at all.

BUT with the jury NOT sequestered for the 3 weeks, with all the local MN publicity and "commotion" and ESPECIALLY the public "commentary" by political leaders... Definite Appeal material for defense. Said directly from the Judge after the jury left the courtroom after the Closing>

"I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function," Cahill added later. "I think if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the Constitution, to respect a coequal branch of government."
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Stu from NYC 04-20-2021 04:15 PM

So do you think the rioters and looters will be upset as they have no good excuse to do the things they like to do?

Missing out on the free stuff.

coralway 04-20-2021 04:18 PM

Guilty on all 3 counts. Sentencing in 8 weeks.

Bucco 04-20-2021 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1932710)
So do you think the rioters and looters will be upset as they have no good excuse to do the things they like to do?

Missing out on the free stuff.

WOW......so many simply miss the point of exactly what justice is, and roll everything into some messed up ball of pure hate.

Stu from NYC 04-20-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1932713)
WOW......so many simply miss the point of exactly what justice is, and roll everything into some messed up ball of pure hate.

Chauvin got what he deserved. No problem with that at all.

My problem is with the people that use tragedies like this as an excuse to loot and steal.

Are you going to tell me this does not happen?

tvbound 04-20-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1932713)
WOW......so many simply miss the point of exactly what justice is, and roll everything into some messed up ball of pure hate.

You are exactly correct! Which is why this is such an important step toward change, true justice and equality - for everyone.

tvbound 04-20-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1932716)
Chauvin got what he deserved. No problem with that at all.

My problem is with the people that use tragedies like this as an excuse to loot and steal.

Are you going to tell me this does not happen?

You mean like those people who were fed up with unfairness, inequality and used it as an excuse, to dump someone else's property into Boston Harbor in 1773?

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2021 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1932716)
Chauvin got what he deserved. No problem with that at all.

My problem is with the people that use tragedies like this as an excuse to loot and steal.

Are you going to tell me this does not happen?

You mean like the proud boys?

gatorbill1 04-20-2021 04:42 PM

I hope this sends a message that "everyone" is responsible for their actions

Bucco 04-20-2021 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1932716)
Chauvin got what he deserved. No problem with that at all.

My problem is with the people that use tragedies like this as an excuse to loot and steal.

Are you going to tell me this does not happen?

Of course not, but how can your very first intinct be to come on any forum, and begin riot talk.

You "better than everybodys" think you and you alone are opposed to any violence in the street.

Most want justice...period, end of sentence.

Bucco 04-20-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1932722)
You mean like the proud boys?

Good point. Hearing already how they are misunderstood, and that bringing weapons into our capital, stealing, causing fear and confusion, threatening elected officials is quite okay.

blueash 04-20-2021 05:55 PM

back to the OP's original posting. Every conviction is appealed. I have no idea what STRONGLY appealed means. Unless there was an error of law by the judge or some sort of demonstrable jury tampering this conviction will stand. That the jury decided so quickly suggests that the prosecution had a very strong case and presented it well.

The jury decides the facts. They heard lots of facts including every negative thing that could be said about Floyd, his past behavior with arrests, his drug use etc. Despite that the jury correctly found that Chauvin killed him. The jury never heard about Chauvin's past history of excess force or the IRS case against him. So he got every benefit of the doubt, as is our system of law. Chauvin going to jail for 12 1/2 will not bring back Floyd and you know he is not going into a general population of prisoners.

Maybe, just maybe, one life will be saved by this conviction now that cops know some juries will hold them responsible.

karostay 04-20-2021 06:03 PM

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

dewilson58 04-20-2021 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 1932724)
I hope this sends a message that "everyone" is responsible for their actions

Somehow you think this will stop crime???
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DeanFL 04-20-2021 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1932740)
back to the OP's original posting. Every conviction is appealed. I have no idea what STRONGLY appealed means. Unless there was an error of law by the judge or some sort of demonstrable jury tampering this conviction will stand. That the jury decided so quickly suggests that the prosecution had a very strong case and presented it well.

The jury decides the facts. They heard lots of facts including every negative thing that could be said about Floyd, his past behavior with arrests, his drug use etc. Despite that the jury correctly found that Chauvin killed him. The jury never heard about Chauvin's past history of excess force or the IRS case against him. So he got every benefit of the doubt, as is our system of law. Chauvin going to jail for 12 1/2 will not bring back Floyd and you know he is not going into a general population of prisoners.

Maybe, just maybe, one life will be saved by this conviction now that cops know some juries will hold them responsible.

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please, one's "side" is so easily seen with comments as this. I'm the Op - and by "Strong Appeal", I meant possible OUTSIDE influences since the jury was not sequestered, especially the last weekend when a Congresswoman came to MN specifically to address the "crowd" outside of the courthouse with televised, reported "announcements" possibly threatening the "proper jury outcome", OR....

I ALWAYS flip issues 180degrees. For those with views on one side - simple introspect, and what if matters WERE 180degrees. Would you TRULY feel the same way?
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Swoop 04-20-2021 09:15 PM

If Floyd was white, the charges against Chauvin would have been dismissed...

Taltarzac725 04-20-2021 10:19 PM

Not much basis of an appeal. This has been news for quite some time. Hard to taint this jury pool, jury, etc.

jebartle 04-21-2021 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1932795)
If Floyd was white, the charges against Chauvin would have been dismissed...

Me thinks, the video was strong evidence, no matter what race!

JMintzer 04-21-2021 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1932800)
Not much basis of an appeal. This has been news for quite some time. Hard to taint this jury pool, jury, etc.

$27 MILLION, just before the case went to trial is pretty "tainting"...

matandch 04-21-2021 05:04 AM

And all appeals will be STRONGLY DENIED.

MandoMan 04-21-2021 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1932716)
Chauvin got what he deserved. No problem with that at all.

My problem is with the people that use tragedies like this as an excuse to loot and steal.

Are you going to tell me this does not happen?

When people realize Chauvin has been sentenced to 12 1/2 years, there will be more riots, looting, and burning. That is, if he isn’t killed in jail before sentencing. I don’t know a single conservative who believes he is innocent or that his use of force was appropriate. However, rioting, looting, burning, throwing things at police officers, and screaming and shouting are NOT “peaceful assembly,” and they should be appropriately punished, too.

jljl62040 04-21-2021 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1932722)
You mean like the proud boys?

You obviously do not know anything about the Proud Boys.

noelphyl 04-21-2021 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1932795)
If Floyd was white, the charges against Chauvin would have been dismissed...

If Floyd were White he’d still be alive.

Buckeye Bob 04-21-2021 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 1932724)
I hope this sends a message that "everyone" is responsible for their actions

I hope everyone responsible for their actions includes the crooks and bums in office.

Love2Swim 04-21-2021 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1932795)
If Floyd was white, the charges against Chauvin would have been dismissed...

If Floyd was white, he wouldn't have been killed by a white police officer.

Love2Swim 04-21-2021 05:47 AM

Nine out of ten appeals are rejected by the courts. In this instance we have a nine minute video that was seen by the whole world, showing how Chauvin killed Floyd. Of course the defense will appeal, but it will be an uphill battle.

wamley 04-21-2021 05:49 AM

So then we agree, arsonist, rioters and looters should pay for their actions as well as PO that go beond the law in applying what should be a legal use of force as opposed to an illegal use of force. When do the trials start for all those that committed arson, riot, burglary, grand larceny, felonious assault, criminal mischief and just about everything outlawed in the penal codes of the Sates they committed the acts, sometimes even murder.

George Page 04-21-2021 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1932720)
You mean like those people who were fed up with unfairness, inequality and used it as an excuse, to dump someone else's property into Boston Harbor in 1773?

No! “Those people” took action against their oppressor not their neighbors and local merchants.
Try again.

irishwonone 04-21-2021 06:27 AM

If you’ve been watching the news over the last 6-8 years you know that those in power are never convicted 😳

Tom2172 04-21-2021 06:29 AM

Justice is now what the mobs and media say it is
Jury’s are now meaningless since they are now threaten as to how to vote
Members of congress openly threatened the Jury
Jury’s instructed vote to convict or mob riots & violence

Swoop 04-21-2021 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 1932820)
Me thinks, the video was strong evidence, no matter what race!

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Originally Posted by noelphyl (Post 1932838)
If Floyd were White he’d still be alive.

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1932850)
If Floyd was white, he wouldn't have been killed by a white police officer.

Take two minutes to look up the case of Tony Timpa. Almost identical to Floyd’s case:
The officer knelt on his neck for an extended time, Tony died, it was recorded on video, the cops even joked about killing him, the officers involved had their charges dismissed.
Tony was white - I rest my case...

Bay Kid 04-21-2021 06:32 AM

There will never be a fair trail or election, ever again.

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2021 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jljl62040 (Post 1932834)
You obviously do not know anything about the Proud Boys.

Here is just a start for you to know more........
Judge revokes bail for Proud Boys leaders after prosecutors introduce new Capitol riot evidence

tvbound 04-21-2021 06:33 AM

While justice was served in this case, just go back and read the original police release when it happened, it was totally played down until that brave young lady posted her video. It's also obvious that this is just a beginning, proved by all of those who are basically saying "yes, Chauvin probably killed him, but look at all of the other blacks who loot and riot when they've reached their breaking point on the obvious lack of equality, when it comes to black Americans being treated equally."

It's the systemic/institutional racism on how people of color are treated differently and that constant, big, "BUT" - that needs to change from here on out.

billethkid 04-21-2021 06:35 AM

The new America?

The many being intimidated by the few!!!!

Bayco 04-21-2021 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom2172 (Post 1932890)
Justice is now what the mobs and media say it is
Jury’s are now meaningless since they are now threaten as to how to vote
Members of congress openly threatened the Jury
Jury’s instructed vote to convict or mob riots & violence

What a bunch of nonsense

Proveone 04-21-2021 06:41 AM

EVERYONE has the Right of FREE SPEECH. The judge was wrong in what he stated about a politician using her 1st Amendment right. If he was worried about public opinion, he should have sequestered the jury but he didn't and told them not to listen to news media. If anyone is at fault it is the Judge. The best line from the Prosecution was that George Floyd didn't die because of his heart, he died because the policeman didn't have a heart. The cell phone video said it all!

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2021 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1932895)
While justice was served in this case, just go back and read the original police release when it happened, it was totally played down until that brave young lady posted her video. It's also obvious that this is just a beginning, proved by all of those who are basically saying "yes, Chauvin probably killed him, but look at all of the other blacks who loot and riot when they've reached their breaking point on the obvious lack of equality, when it comes to black Americans being treated equally."

It's the systemic/institutional racism on how people of color are treated differently and that constant, big, "BUT" - that needs to change from here on out.

Yes.

Whataboutism, should be added to "BUT".

tvbound 04-21-2021 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by George Page (Post 1932861)
No! “Those people” took action against their oppressor not their neighbors and local merchants.
Try again.

Sorry, but it wasn't the British East India Company that instituted the taxes, so the analogy is totally legitimate. The difference being, a lot of people have no problem with rioting and illegal acts, as long as it is white people doing it (Jan 6 perfect example). What's sad is seeing so many white people who are upset and try to deflect, that a racist bad cop was finally held accountable. Let this be a springboard to hold the small % of bad cops accountable and their peers (who know who they are) speaking up - from here on out.

Girlcopper 04-21-2021 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1932850)
If Floyd was white, he wouldn't have been killed by a white police officer.

Oh here we go again. If Floyd was purple and fought with cops, he would have still been killled. Quit the black n white garbage talk


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