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CDC Clarifies Letter to Cruise Lines
CDC Clarifies Letter to Cruise Lines The CDC issued a clarification of their letter to the cruise lines to Cruise Industry News this afternoon and stated that it looks at a timeline of passenger voyages by mid-July. According to Caitlin Shockey, CDC spokesperson, over the past month, senior leadership from the CDC has met twice-weekly with representatives from cruise lines to discuss the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO). Within these meetings, participants asked questions and discussed the fastest path back to sailing without compromising safety, she said. Today, in response to the industry’s feedback, the CDC announced five key clarifications with the existing CSO framework. CLICK HERE TO READ MORE |
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When they start up again and we do not need to wear masks on board we will be booking several.
Hopefully they will not require us to only get off the ship with cruise line tours. If so can deal with that for a time. For caribbean we prefer going on our own to beaches coming and going as we please. |
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I have heard that this restriction is designed to prevent passengers bringing the virus back on to the ship (rather than taking it off the ship into the local community) but one would think (with everyone fully vaccinated) that using lateral flow tests before reboarding would suffice (if the cruise lines really want to lift the restriction!) |
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Would much rather go on a tour in a van with say 15 people than a bus with 50 taking forever to unload and than load passengers. |
We also for the most part, do not take cruise ship tours. Just to make you aware some cruise lines will match the price of a private tour if you can find it cheaper.
We have a cruise booked to the Caribbean to check the waters so to speak. One of our main questions is will we be able to just get off the ship to walk around on our own. |
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The problem is you go with the cruise line on a large bus. |
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So, yeah, you'll need proof. |
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I won’t ever be cruising if vaccine is required for something with a 99.xx% recovery rate & cures that are available. We are being played.
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In some places, the current requirement is a recent COVID test. For example, the USVI. The BVI is even more restricted with a second test required after 4 days, and then another test to get back into the US. Hopefully, proof of a vaccination will be accepted in the near future in lieu of COVID tests.
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There are still some questions left to be answered: - Will the countries attempt to impose these requirements on ships entering their waters, even for those who do not get off the ship? - While there may be requirements like quarantines and retesting after four days, these only make sense for overnight visitors. What will be the requirements for travelers visiting for only a few hours? - For some of these countries the cruise industry brings in a lot of money. Are they willing to put up walls to prevent that money from coming in? Have these questions already been answered? Cruises haven't restarted from US ports but are there already sailings from non-US ports? |
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No, that is not correct. In the case of the BVI, the current requirement for testing upon arrival, quarantining for 4 days, and retesting before you can move about is based in an incubation period of 4 days. Whether you are there for a week or just the day, they want to be sure you are not contagious before you can move about freely.
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Like so many of these issues there is a conflict between reality and law. On a ship you are in close quarters. Not only that the crew is from all over the world. We know about stuff like legionnaires disease. I expect, as much as possible the cruse lines do their best to prevent disease as well as suppressing news that may be negative, from getting out. On a ship it may or may not be possible to get you off by helicopter. The destination may or may not chose to let a ship with people who are ill land in their country. All life involves risk. You can get hit by a car going to get a vaccine. Such is life. |
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That is certainly your choice but consider that the cruise lines and other passengers don't want to be burdened by you if you develop COVID symptoms on the boat. The vaccine reduces this probability to a very small number. Also, part of the reason for vaccinations is to hopefully reduce the probability of a mutation that is worse then what we currently have. You can believe you are being played but the rest of us know we aren't.
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Under the current rules in the BVI, you are required to install an app on your phone and wear a bracelet. No cruise ships are currently going to the BVI. Private yachts are allowed with the restrictions I already mentioned. I am explaining the rules to you and why they are in place. The rules will likely change in June when I believe the BVI will start accepting cruise ships. That will obviously mean they don't require a 4-day quarantine with retesting. As I previous stated, under the current rules you would not be able to move about freely until after a 4 day quarantine. I hope this clears things up for you.
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Supposedly CDC via WHO is getting agreements in place? Not sure what they will do with the 1% that don't have it. But they better have the insurance and hope it will cover their mistake but it probably won't as it is easily preventable by getting the vaccine. |
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This is why the next cruise we are about to book will be Nov 2022. |
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"if a ship attests that 98 percent of its crew and 95 percent of its passengers are fully vaccinated." Count me in that 5%. I don't need proof of anything. |
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Yep. I wonder, of the supposed 31.2% of the people that are fully vaccinated, what percentage of those cruise on a regular basis? "As of 6 a.m. EDT May 1, a total of 103,422,555 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 31.2 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data." States ranked by percentage of population fully vaccinated: May 2 |
I don’t have any objections. The current rules make sense regardless of how long you are staying, despite your claim. The rules are likely to change, perhaps going to a requirement for being vaccinated instead of multiple COVID tests, as I already stated. I am not sure I see whatever point you are attempting to make. The rules are what the rules are until they change.
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And attesting means that you must prove to the cruiseline you are vaccinated or have a medical reaction. |
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Of course, what the CDC writes and how that gets interpreted or implemented can be entirely different. |
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So, no, you don't have to provide proof to the CDC, only to the cruiseline. Time will tell.. The ships won't take ANY chances. They'd rather leave someone behind because the paperwork looks dodgy than take any chance of an outbreak. |
Vaccines are always a balance between a public health imperative and individual freedoms. The government has to MANDATE certain vaccines (i.e. to attend public school) because the risk of disability/death to one particular individual is so low that many will likely refuse the vaccine for themselves or their children. If too many refuse, an outbreak could be devastating to many. Generally, we vaccinate for the good of society, not for ourselves, because outbreaks of diseases with mandated vaccines are so infrequent. Covid certainly falls within the range of transmissibility and death/disability rates overall of other diseases that have mandated vaccines (but very low for the individual, so unsurprisingly many are refusing to be vaccinated) so I am interested to see if the vaccine will be mandated in more settings than cruise ships, colleges. Maybe elder care settings?
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And it has been upheld several times by the US Supreme Court. We may still see outbreaks, but that should be isolate to those who refused to get the protection/vaccine. Spock always had it right.... |
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If 6% of the people who WANT to be passengers are not fully vaccinated or can't show proof of it, then 1/6 of those people will be told their presence is not welcome aboard. You are a member of that 6%. So you might be culled from the herd at the last minute. They'll probably put you on a waiting list, if you refuse to show proof of immunity. And then, when all the people who DO have vaccines are assigned their staterooms, they'll call you and tell you you're either a) a lucky passenger who gets to go or b) sorry no room at the inn. |
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