Putting the current Covid death rate in perspective
 

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

All of these have potentially serious effects on your health long term, that do not include death. Good idea to do what you can to prevent all of the above, including Covid.

Effects, not including death.
 

All of these listed above, including Covid, can have serious effects long term that do not include death. Best to do what you can to avoid them all.

So death certificate will state gunshot to the ___________ without Covid

Thanks to the vaccines developed last year and those who chose to be vaccinated. If there were vaccines for those those other diseases I wonder how many would wonder about the long term effects of being vaccinated against them. Crazy behavior.

COVID-19 cases and deaths are down but rate of infection is the same as it was in December for unvaccinated

COVID-19 cases and deaths are down but rate of infection is the same as it was in December for unvaccinated


Sacramento-area doctor talks about COVID-19 infection rates among unvaccinated

"The Post found that the rate among those unvaccinated is 73% higher than figures being publicized. Their analysis found that in states with high unvaccinated populations, the pandemic is ongoing at the same pace it was during the last surge."

The actual number surrounding the COVID pandemic will not be "known" probably for decades. Scientists are still debating the numbers from the Spanish Flu. It is an easy thing to evaluate. There are many complicating factors, one of which is the cause of death determination, which many here repeatedly mention.

We can be fairly sure of how many people died with COVID. But even that number is not appearing to be significantly underreported. And then of course there are the long haulers - who we are just now learning about.

One interesting unexpected side effect is two variants of the seasonal flu appear to be eliminated as a result of people wearing masks and social distancing.

Yipsters!

If that is what eliminated the Flu, why didn't it eliminate Covid?

Because COVID is significantly more infectious. Particularly prior having symptoms. In some cases, never showing symptoms.

Children not being in daycare/school may be a significant factor reducing flu and other upper respiratory illnesses.

Covid
 

The slowest way to die is to stay healthy.

Google says this...........

"COVID-19
Common question
Is the coronavirus more contagious than flu?

While COVID-19 and flu viruses are thought to spread in similar ways, COVID-19 is more contagious among certain populations and age groups than flu. Also, COVID-19 has been observed to have more superspreading events than flu."

Ok, you are one of those who resist the vaccine. I don't care about your health if you don't. Get sick and die, get sick and recover, I really don't care. You have made your choice.

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?

Daycare was one of the first things to reopen... Well before the vaccine was available...

And Covid being more infectious? Possibly... But not enough to get those ridiculously low flu numbers...

What "certain groups"?

Yeah, no...

If by "experimental", you mean something that has been worked on for decades, then sure, go with that...

COVID Vaccine
 

People that think the COVID vaccine is experimental gene therapy are, by virtue of that exact way of thinking, ideal candidates for getting that vaccination.

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There’s been at least 12,000 vaccinated people who have gotten Covid from articles that I’ve read, and there’s new info coming out that people who take immune suppressant drugs and have been vaccinated are not showing any antibodies to Covid. Apparently people taking those drugs were not part of any clinical studies and it appears that for some number of people it’s as if they’ve not been vaccinated at all -

Covid-19 vaccine: Millions of Americans might not have had an adequate response to shot

More info coming out everyday from the ongoing clinical studies of the vaccinated.

Disease
 

There is a reason polio was eradicated throughout the world except for two countries now. It’s because everyone took the vaccine. That’s what vaccines do. This is a no brainer. If there is even the slightest of chance of getting Covid (including all its lasting side effects) and getting sick and/or dying vs a 100% guarantee I won’t get sick enough to go to the hospital….which am I going to take? The 100% guarantee which equals taking the vaccine!! Like I said…a no brainer for me.

A bird in the hand….

Dying is easy. Being a long hauler survivor not so easy. Besides the medical complications there are emotional, financial and life changes that create horrible situations for people. Minimal chance of death. Living with results of even a mild case is a nightmare. The medical professionals world wide are learning how to treat this. Do your part. Wash your hands, consider a vaccine if you have health issues and take care of your body. Once it is damaged your time is decreased. For some they may not care for others maybe they want to live to see another grandchild?

Jon Rahm's million dollar pay day just died because of covid19. Think smart.

A key reason to get vaccinated is to protect others but bottom line is something like 20% of the population puts themselves first.

Doubt they will decline treatment if infected.

Not sure of the point.

We tend to think to ignore reality. No one gets out alive. That does not mean it is wise to step onto the highway or in front of a moving train.

"If they don't know the actual number of deaths now (and they don't), they won't know it in decades either.

Where have you been? This gene therapy has been worked on for over 15 years. They are able to use it now on most any type of vaccine which is a game changer in science. They have had entire documentaries interviewing the scientists that have been working on the gene therapy for decades.

They also have interviewed many people that were in the initial 30,000+ vaccine pipeline following their progress, NO! There was not hundreds killed and thousands sickened. There is zero proof to that statement.

Conspiracy theories are so unbecoming…. Btw, 1% of the USA population is 3.5 million people….that would be considered a devastating historical amount of death, by any historical data.

My grandchildren just started back and are now bringing sniffles home to mom and dad so we'll see.

Agree the seemingly disappearance of several strains of the flu would take more than masks and handwashing to eliminate.

Everyone can say what they want about Covid but the fact remains that people have died from it and continue to die from it. I know, my mother died from Covid in December just before Christmas alone in the hospital.
So your stats don't mean anything to me.

At it's worst.......Covid death rate was 0.3% -- that is 3 out of every 1,000 who contracted covid.
The (annual) flu has a death rate of about 0.1%

So, if you had a 33% chance of contracting covid (by taking virtually NO precautions), you had about a one in 1,000 chance of a fatal situation. Choice: one in 1,000 chance of lethal covid or 100% chance of 'cabin fever'.
Everyone has their own perspective. For me, I am not going to hunker down in my bunker and shiver in fear.

Death by Covid or Death with Covid
 

Check this out from Illinois

Why and how COVID-19 deaths are tracked in Illinois | Top Stories | wandtv.com

How old are you?? I am 81. My risk of dying from it, should I have gotten sick from it were as seen. MUCH MUCH Greater than a younger person.

However I have been vaccinated and I am not likely to die from it at all. I will continue with my hell raising life.

Risk for COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death By Age Group | CDC

Daughter-in-law works as a registered nurse in a large hospital in Ohio. Works in a hospice area. Said almost every cause of death was listed as Covid, despite the fact that everyone of those people was already in hospice dying of something else? Bottom line, the number of covid deaths being put forth in this country is totally bogus. The real number is probably less than half of what we are being told!

That why I worded my post “died with Covid” vs “died from Covid”...

... is worth 2 in the bush. Is it? IMHO, it depends on what else is hiding in the bush. And we don't yet know.

Your decision is absolutely a good one.... FOR YOU.

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

I personally know of six people who were very sick with Covid and know of four people who died. One who said things just like you are saying. He rode his bike around the neighborhood. He died within six days of getting sick.

I ask you and your daughter in law, what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

That’s interesting. People are different and may react differently to the vaccine. Some are on medications that may react adversely to the vaccine. When it came out, there wasn’t a lot of time for testing because we were in an emergency situation. I’m glad that we got the vaccine.

The CDC website has the number of excess deaths. This is the number of deaths above what would normally be expected. Since COVID-19 was the extraordinary event of 2020, a high percentage of the excess deaths can be attributed either directly or indirectly to COVID-19. Some estimates have 80% of the excess deaths due to COVID-19. The reason to look at excess deaths is because the cause of each death, as reported on a death certificate, doesn't matter to the number.

There really is proof that many deaths were labeled "died WITH Covid."
I have two family members that "died WITH Covid." One was in the hospital for a heart operation (another one of many) and he died on the operating table. Cause= with covid. At the same time, another was in the hospital for kidney problems and dialysis treatment. He developed respiration difficulty, was put on a respirator and eventually passed. Cause= died "with" covid.
Did they die BECAUSE of covid? Who knows? Would they have died anyway? Who knows. It does make for a good excuse at those hospitals, doesn't it?
Money can and has corrupted many good people throughout history. Blame and excuses have always been prevalent since Adam and Eve.