This is on the subject of shootings by race/ethnicity. Any facts found for 2021?
 

Kaiser Family Foundation - Media Bias/Fact Check

Deaths Due to Firearms per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

This is from 2019. Has it changed much since then?

We haven't guns in our house, but many friends have guns.

Your chart is on "deaths" by ethnicity... Not "shootings"...

It says nothing about who is doing the shooting...

And what does your last comment have to do with your initial topic?

Gun Violence is a Racial Justice Issue | Brady

I did find this. It covers statistics before 2021 however.

Would be great for discussion (maybe) if knew what you are saying, or suggesting.

You speak of guns in the generic sense but are specific about deaths by skin color.

"Brady"...

Certainly no bias there... And to their point? Wait, do they have an actual point?

It really looks like the title of that article should be, "How to Frame Gun Violence as a Racial Justice Issue."

There are probably some valid points in the article but the misleading way it is written makes me skeptical of its conclusions.

Really, Gracie?

I am currently reading a recently published book (2021) that reveals statistics on violent crimes, including murders, committed within the USA by members of four "racial" groups: White, Black, Latino and Asian. The author shows boiled down results from relatively large data bases such as those kept by the FBI.

The facts are an eye opener!

The book is "Facing Reality" by Charles Murray.

And we all know...
 

the FBI can be trusted right....brrrraappp! NOT

My guess is that if you created a chart showing shooting and/or deaths by income groups, you would see a correlation. Less income = more shootings/deaths. Looking at the numbers that way makes more sense (to me at least). There are fewer low income whites (as a % of whites) so you would expect their numbers to be lower

Really what? Is it wrong to try to figure things out? How can we fix anything unless we know why and how it is broken.

It is like the paper we were asked to write in High School English; Do slums make slummy people or do slummy people make slums?

I don't suppose that would be allowed these days. I want to know why the statistics look like this.

That is what I want to know.

People will tell me how they look at things and I will find another unanswerable question.


I will now go to Aldi's and get child two a Wendy's lunch and see what folks have to say while I was gone.

Gracie....
 

I usually think of you as a voice of reason among the chaos...having a LEGAL firearm in your house that you are trained to use has no meaning in your post. Telling us you have none in your house has even less. *sigh*

Has the final bastion on this forum becoming biased. Say it ain't so.

Recall who Brady is. This is the group connected to James Brady. James Brady - Wikipedia

Sadly, it is virtually impossible to find information on race, guns that is not spun by bias.
I find it interesting that the areas with the tightest gun controls are also the areas with the most shootings-New York, Chicago, LA.

Probably connected to turf wars over the drug trade in those areas. Most mass shooters have been white males.

I worked with a guy that owned a fully automatic sub machine gun and competed in shooting matches for this class of weapons. A friend of his was from the D.C. area where he competed in sub machine gun matches in the east coast area. He said that Brady was an avid shooter who owned a sub machine gun and competed frequently in matches in that area.

Your High School paper. Today the topic, not at all leading, is why is it evil to be white and how much do you think you should pay. My dad served two tours of combat duty in WWII. He clearly had post traumatic distress. When I was born we lived worse than people on welfare. Simple reality, I do not owe any body anything. White guilt, I have no reason to be or feel guilty. My great great great grandfather was a civil war general on the northern side. Our legal system you are not guilty of any crimes committed by your forefathers. Complex issues are truly simple if you do not tie them into a knot to support a point of view.
If you let what others think effect your opinion of yourself you give them a power that is or should be yours.

Here are more statistics on number of people shot to death by police by ethnicity and race since 2017.

• People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2021 | Statista

Correct...


Not entirely correct... If you go by the federal guidelines (4 or more people shot), yes more white males commit mass shootings. BUT... There are many more white males than any other ethnic group... If you go by per capita (which is a more accurate representation), you'll find very different results...

For example, since white males comprise approx 65-70% of the population, you would expect them to commit approx 65-70% of the mass shootings...

You would expect Blacks and Hispanics to commit approx 13-15% of the mass shootings each...

But this is not the case. White males commit less per capita, than either of the other groups...

So now the topic is "people shot by the police"?

Is there a program I can follow? I'm having trouble keeping up...

Re-read post 14. It is impossible to find information that is not spun.

Most things are the same. Reality does not happen in neat folders. It all happens and always did happen in a convoluted related mess.

I see no reason to once again rehash gun control. What everyone agrees on is that twice as many whites are shot and killed by Cops than blacks. The shootings in most cop related incidents are warranted/justified. Since there are millions of guns in America and very little shootings in comparison, the only function of gun control debate is to gather more political votes. Anyone with common sense knows that we do not have rampant shooting in America other than in the inner cities, most likely related to drug wars/gang wars. One is not guilty merely because they own firearms, regardless of what some loonies that do not even have a clue as to the definition of an assault weapon insist.
Firearms are NOT dangerous. People are dangerous. I have never owned a gun that has left my home by itself, armed and then fired upon any humans. I do not know of any instances where a firearm went on a mass killing spree.
To me, gun control means:
Sight alignment
Controlled breathing
Squeeze, don't jerk the trigger.
And regardless of what Biden once said, gun safety does NOT include shooting a shotgun up in the air to scare the bad guy away.

Makes sense to me!

I read that the FBI avoids making crime statistics BY RACE.

Where did you read that?

This link seems to contradict that concept.

FBI — Table 43

I just posted what I thought to be accurate statistics.

I too am having trouble keeping up. Who are the bad guys?

The answer is obvious.

You need to get out more often in rural American.

In UK there are very few deaths from gun crime.
Somewhere between 30-40 a year.
Guns in circulation are mainly with gangs.
Most gun deaths and crimes are gang related.
Win! Win!!

13% of the population accounts for more than 50% of the violent crimes. an "uncomfortable truth" for many I guess

Who are you looking to blame? How about the NRA and the politicians they support them?

It's not Politics - it's the demise of our culture.

The lawlessness in this country is shameful - and the "politicians" are at fault.

Let’s talk about percentages of people on television commercials

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

13% of the population accounts for more than 50% of the violent crimes. now that's a statistic that cannot be dismissed. just an "uncomfortable truth"

As the saying goes "Guns don't kill. People kill". So maybe we should lock up the people that use the guns that kill. Just a new concept.

A persons fear can be measured by the number of guns they have. Seek the love of God.

That certainly is not the way to look at statistics