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Would you like to know how many illegals are entering the country?
How about all networks post the number of illegals entering the country. Maybe a little screen in the upper right hand corner of the television screen. Much like the running total of COVID deaths, the daily COVID death count and new cases of COVID. Maybe two or three numbers, maybe the number of known illegals who have entered, an estimated total number of illegals and maybe a third number of how many tested negative for COVID?
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Like that'll ever happen...
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Not going to happen. Headline news opening Covid-19 death counts stopped in middle of January.
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It is not going to happen because it will not make money for the people distributing it.
And personally, I don't care - I have researched it, and the total number of "illegals" at this point is estimated to be around 10 to 15 million, and their economic contribution more than outweighs their economic costs. There is no evidence they impact elections (other than abstractly, meaning people vote on border security or against it, not there is no evidence enough illegals vote to make any difference in elections.) |
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Another post designed to stir up trouble? someone must really be bored.....yawn.
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It does not fit their agenda, you will never see it.
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Otherwise, it's just an opinion... |
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As to the economic impact and numbers here is a report by Brooking Edu. How many undocumented immigrants are in the United States and who are they? |
OP, what do you mean by "illegals"? It seems to me that the people who claim asylum and are released into the country are not illegal. They are legal residents. The unaccompanied minors and others who are allowed to stay are also legal residents. And, those that are apprehended, but released by the Government without deportation, are legal residents. I think that anyone who is processed by the Government and allowed to stay is a legal resident. Also, if the Government passes a law to provide the 10-12 million estimated illegal residents a "pathway" to citizenship, then those people would immediately become legal residents because they could not be deported.
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They are given court dates to determine their legality... |
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The law specifically allows for anyone that reaches American soil to request asylum and they are supposed to be given a court date to determine if they can stay. So, the court date is to determine if they can stay legally. But, until the court date, they are technically here "legally" applying for asylum. The court system is completely broken and can take 2 to 3 years (or longer) to hear the case. So, the court has to option to lock them up and pay incarceration fees or let them lose (hall pass) until the case can be seen. IF politicians wanted to solve the "illegal immigrant" problem on the border the first and obvious step would be to fix the court system so the person/people seeking asylum would have their case heard the same day or within days. I am pretty sure we will NEVER see a solution, it is way too juicy a topic for politicians to run on for or against. So, they will never solve it, simply keep it around to help stir up the base (both sides.) And if you think this is new, try again, in the 1930s the exact same things were going on, and "they" tried rounding them up and deporting them with disastrous results. |
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Maybe two or three numbers, maybe the number of known illegals who have entered, an estimated total number of illegals and maybe a third number of how many tested negative for COVID? |
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But, calling them illegals makes it so much easier to hate them. |
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To the OP.....to what end is a scrolling of “illegal” immigrants ? We desperately need immigrants or our children conomy will suffer. Let’s. Stop chanting and begin to talk about it, with a goal of at least beginning legislation. |
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How about you post how much $$ they pay in taxes every year? I will bet you a person who works in the fields all day pays more in taxes than most elected government officials, past and present. They can live next door to me any day. Get off your high horse. |
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Sure there is some crime and drugs, but less (percentage-wise) than among legal Americans. They KNOW if they are caught they will be deported, so for the most part they try to maintain a low profile. |
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Read instead of following....everyone agrees there are problems, but the simple adolescent name calling and trite slogans are not going to resolve anything. IF, in fact you seek a solution. I join in saying “get off your high horse” |
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And if in fact so many unvaccinated immigrants are coming in - why not use up those stores of vaccines we have because so many don't want them? And what has trying to protect school children got to do with illegal or legal immigration? |
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Until that stops there will be an endless stream this also includes people from Europe that overstay their visas! |
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A review of the academic literature by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found that "over the past few decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." While the overall fiscal impact on the US is beneficial, unauthorized immigrants have an adverse impact on the budgets of some state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that: "State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs" "The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a SMALL percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions" "The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants", and "Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments." The IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year. (Think about it - they are "illegal" and file income tax returns...) Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes. Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay about $7 BILLION per year into Social Security.(Which they will never get back in the form of SS payments) In addition, they spend billions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller reported in 2006 that the 1.4 million unauthorized immigrants in Texas added almost $18 BILLION to the gross state product, and contributed $1.58 billion in state revenue while costing the state about $1.16 billion in services used. So, what's the next crime? I can provide reports from law enforcement around the country that the undocumented populations in their cities and countries have LOWER crime rates than citizens. The explanation seems to be they are trying to maintain a low profile so they don't get deported. We can keep going round and round - we have been doing it since the 1930's - or we could try to find solutions that both sides can benefit from. But, then what would the Politicians use to keep us mad at each other. |
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Read the law, it is NOT illegal for a person seeking asylum to cross the border and turn themselves in. Yes, I agree not ALL undocumented aliens are seeking asylum, and yes, I agree some of the ones claiming to are just trying to game the system. But, if a person from another country places a foot on American Soil they can turn themselves in and ask for asylum - LEGALLY. Saying it is illegal over and over does not make it so. |
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8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien U.S. Code Notes prev | next (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of— (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. (c) Marriage fraud Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both. (d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both. (June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, § 275, 66 Stat. 229; Pub. L. 99–639, § 2(d), Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3542; Pub. L. 101–649, title I, § 121(b)(3), title V, § 543(b)(2), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4994, 5059; Pub. L. 102–232, title III, § 306(c)(3), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1752; Pub. L. 104–208, div. C, title I, § 105(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009–556.) |
Stop it, please stop it. I am so sick of this back and forth a lot of which is brought from the media to boost their ratings. We used to have meaningful dialog presenting a factual basis on both sides of an issue. Can we please all agree to meet at a forum in The Villages at a place to come together and have an intelligent discussion of the issues? We could be a model for the rest of the country.
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Have any of the illegals taken away your job as a crop picker? Maybe we can get an accurate count there, but then who would pick the crops? According to American Natives, there are about 330 million illegals. |
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Second, until the asylum case is denied they are not illegal - it IS legal to request asylum. And you 90% denied is an interesting number. The New York Immigration Court led the country in having the widest disparity among judges serving on the same court. Depending upon the judge, denial rates ranged from 95 percent down to 3 per*cent. And even so, until denied they are not illegal. Even if 100% were eventually denied until denied they are not illegal. |
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I offer the law. Blah blah, blah - very mature response. So, the law is important until YOU don't like it, then it becomes blah blah blah? EDITED: I apologize. My reply to you was inappropriate. I would very much like to hear what you have to contribute! |
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I would be interested in why you assume I got my information from one of those. If you have read any of my posts in the past you would know that I do not watch any of those. I watch Fox, OAN, and Newsmax, and I do a LOT of research reading sources like OMB, Harvard Law review, NEJM, Federalist Papers, and on and on. |
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