CDCs promised report today:
 

Well, the other "placeholder" thread got 120 offtopic posts, so to avoid being buried in the noise here is the actual report they promised.

NOT GOOD NEWS.

I can't wait to see all the spin and out-of-context quoting and off-topic misinformation.

But, what can we do. This is the information from the CDC, comments on any topic welcome, even a discussion of why the government is lying to us about why Mary Queen of Scotts abdicated the throne on July 24, 1567...


Bad News From CDC - Today: Jul 30, 2021

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated

Vaccine - substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

So 469 people in a state with a population of 6,900,000?

comment....the cdc can not dictate what we must do, but only what they recommend. The fact that their suggestions change weekly and sometimes daily only means they're clueless...why you might ask...because enough facts about the vaccine and those who have taken it(and those that haven't)aren't available. It can take years to amass and understand what all the data means.

You are free to do what you please without gov't interference. Masks do not guarantee you won't get the virus...nothing does. Deal with it!

But that is a look at only one small area in the state. Not the entire state.

Uh, no, not of the entire population. Of the reported cases - 469. They can not work with data they do not have. Under testing is a very serious problem.

Uh, NO it means that they are clued. They have stated that things are changing that as new information becomes available they will update the recommendations.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can demand that experts never change their mind no matter what. That sounds not very smart to me.

OK, I'll bite.

Here is the part of the article that is essentially a disclaimer:

"The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias. Third, demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions.*** MA DPH, CDC, and affected jurisdictions are collaborating in this response; MA DPH is conducting additional case investigations, obtaining samples for genomic sequencing, and linking case information with laboratory data and vaccination history. Finally, Ct values obtained with SARS-CoV-2 qualitative RT-PCR diagnostic tests might provide a crude correlation to the amount of virus present in a sample and can also be affected by factors other than viral load.††† Although the assay used in this investigation was not validated to provide quantitative results, there was no significant difference between the Ct values of samples collected from breakthrough cases and the other cases. This might mean that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 is also similar. However, microbiological studies are required to confirm these findings."

And I would add a 5th limitation----how many of those vaccinated were 5+ months out from their vaccine and possibly starting to lose immunity

And maybe a 6th---how many had the J&J vaccine which is thought to be less effective.

So the jury is still out, I'm not convinced that this single report from a single county can be extrapolated to the whole country. Maybe it can, but that is yet to be proven. What happens is this info gets reported to the CDC and then the question "so what are you going to do now?" arises. So they make a very conservative recommendation. Just as expected'

Oh, wait, that wasn't "spin and out-of-context quoting and off-topic misinformation.". So sorry to disappoint :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

True, only Cape Cod (I think) and only those cases reported. Testing is very limited right now, so scientists are having deal with complex subject and rapidly changing situations and are not being given enough data to make solid decisions.

They are doing the best they can in a VERY political environment. Florida for example dropped from 90,000 tests per day to 48,000 tests per day and are apparently slowly lowering that number. The result - there are fewer cases reported, so it appears the COIVD is in retreat, while at the same time Florida has jumped into FIRST position in the nation with reported cases. Hmm, less testing and more cases... Should tell you something.

Very good point. I do think the CDCs initial disclaimer about the lack of quality data encompasses your suggestions, but that does not reduce what you said.

As I said in the OP - Bad News. Not yet definitive. But no "good news" ... sigh. At least part of the bad news is that we are not collecting enough data to make good decisions.

Is there info about hospitalization/death rate since the numbers have increased? That's important.

The report states limitations on the conclusions. It’s a super spreader event.
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The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases.
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Sweden with 50% vaccination has a flat Covid trend. They have tight border control unlike our southern border. To answer your question about illegal immigrants from the closed thread ICE estimate for last month is 188,000 illegals and about one million year to date with about a 13% Covid rate for those tested. 30% of illegals refuse vaccination. They come from an area where the Delta variant first appeared and are bussed/ flown to unspecified parts of the country. All it takes is one person to seed the virus.

In the report…..
Of the infections, 74% occurred in fully vaccinated people who had one of the three FDA-emergency approved vaccines and 80% had symptoms (so you don’t have to do the math, MOST of the infected were vaccinated. So in this case, being un vaccinated was better)
Only four of the vaccinated people were hospitalized, two of whom had underlying conditions, and there were no deaths
Results showed that vaccinated people who get COVID-19 have same viral levels as the unvaccinated

Population of Barnstable County, MA, where data comes from, is 213,000.
And apparently the vaccine isn’t a vaccine.

Washington Post
Two new variants in Florida
Carlos Migoya, CEO of Jackson Health System, told WPLG in Miami earlier this week that the B.1.621 variant has accounted for about 10 percent of coronavirus patients, trailing behind delta, the now-dominant variant in the United States that has been ravaging the nation’s unvaccinated, and the gamma variant. B.1.621 has yet to receive a Greek-letter designation as more prominent variants have.

EmeraldRobinson asked @KJP46 (assistant press sec)how the CDC is testing for the Delta variant and she completely falls apart and says it’s because “the experts” say so.

Are you paying attention? The video is painful to watch as these people run your lives and you comply without a whimper.

That is an interesting spin, I assume it is your spin and not CDCs. You are giving value to not being vaccinated without knowing the specifics.

And the vaccine is a vaccine against the original variant and not DELTA. That is like taking the polio vaccine and getting chickenpox and blaming the vaccine.

In addition, the vaccine still provided benefits to the people that caught the DELTA variant.

Thank you, I will be looking into that. Sounds like more bad news.

Gee only 125,000 plus breakthrough cases of the vaccinated...Hmmm I still have the rumblings on my keyboard of that. In other words told ya...:popcorn:

Breakthrough Covid cases are on the rise among the vaccinated

And it's worse than that. There is no way he can claim the unvaccinated did better without knowing how many vaccinated and unvaccinated were in the crowd. Geez, if jumping to conclusions were an Olympic sport, he would win gold.

How more specific can one be either your jabbed or your not? There is no gray area.

I find the media reporting to be managed and incomplete.
No comparisons of what is currently going on VS the past 12 months....

Percentages say NOTHING!!!!! Headline....cases double this week....(ok last week there were 4) now there are 8....but the cases doubled....example only...pick a number/% you like.

What does new case mean.....how many had no symptoms?...vaccinated? Not vaccinated?...how many survived?

and on and on.

The report from the CDC at least provides a perspective that the media chooses not to pursue:

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review | CDC

Live your life… there is not enough left to live in fear!

I have always had faith in Johns Hopkins ongoing statistics about this Pandemic.

Home - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

I completely agree

Cape Cod times, June 28, the week before the super spreader event. 74% of Cape Codders are vaccinated.
Cape Cod high COVID vaccine rate reduce risk of Delta variant outbreak

“A doctor and a university expert on COVID-19 say that Cape Codders are in a good position to fend off the highly contagious Delta variant given the region’s high rate of vaccination against the coronavirus.”

Maybe the COVID experts don’t know what they’re talking about?


0 deaths
5 people hospitalized, 4 vaccinated, 1 not
74% of the infected were vaccinate 26% not.

Delta Variant is not just in the U.S.

Soaring rates in France now, too. France now in 4th wave of COVID due to Delta cases soaring, says PM Jean Castex | Euronews

U.K. is doing a little better than us. They have their 70% vaccinated.

I agree.

Hmm, science is not about BEING right all the time - leave that requirement at church.

Science is about finding the truth, and being willing to say, oh darn, we were wrong and here is better information.

The Delta variant, formerly known as the UK variant, is thought to be more contagious but not more virulent than the original COVID-19. I think the news from Cape Cod is good rather than bad in terms of the vaccinated being protected somewhat from the full impact of the variant and also the hospitalization/death numbers are encouraging. That's what matters right? Not that people are getting a virus, but they aren't suffering from its most severe effects.

I agree, it was a mixed bag, but IF vaccines are mitigating the virus results, that is a very good thing.

So if you hear:
Oh darn, we were wrong about the safety of the vaccines…
But now that we see the results of the largest vaccine trial in history we have better information…
Oops - our mistake - sorry…
But that’s science…

People can't handle the truth.

No, and that is not what they said. They were right about the safety of the vaccine, and are still right. And they were right about how well the vaccine worked against the virus it was designed to work against. When the Delta variant came about they said the vaccine might work against it. As soon as evidence came out that it was possible to have breakthroughs they almost immediately told the public that the latest data shows breakthroughs.

The CDC hid the information on the breakthroughs for months. They stopped updating their website as the numbers were climbing.
And the long term results aren’t even available yet…

HID is a very prejudicial term - implying some nefarious motivation. Do you have any proof they intentionally HID information?

Or did they wait until they had enough information to be able to justify saying something?

If I hear that I will be just as surprised as if I open the door and Ed McMahon is standing there. One is a little more likely than the other but either would be a great surprise.

Didn't hide it at all. In plain print they explained that they could not reliably count infections that may or may not be reported and may or may not result in symptoms so they moved on to providing more reliable numbers.

Nor should any employer private or federal require employees to take this EAU drug.
IT IS STILL AN EXPERIMENTAL DRUG! AND TO TOP THAT OFF IT WONT EVEN PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING COVID. AT BEST IT MIGHT LIGHTEN YOUR SYMPTONS IF YOU GET IT, BUT YOU ALSO CHANCE LONG TERM UNKNOWN SIDE EFFECTS. IS IT WORTH IT, I ASK?

You are not allowed to question this. The "experts" have spoken. They are all knowing....We must believe they are the "experts" because they told us so. :bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

96% of the hospitalized are unvaccinated in So Fl. True, its south of us but still shows who is getting it

Do you vaccinated people ever wonder if your vaccine dosage was handled properly before it went in your arm? Pfizer for example super frozen at -60c to -80c then still prior to use “warmed up “to -15c and then thawed in a refrigerator, mixed with saline and ready for the jab. 6 hour shelf life at room temperature and can’t be refrozen. Yeah and you went to some drive up site where they had them in an Igloo cooler. That is a lot of trusting the system people .