Deer in US have COVID antibodies
 

This can't be good:

Nature: Wild U.S. deer found with coronavirus antibodies

If I recall, last year they found cats who had gotten COVID and they recovered. Maybe a dog, also, can't remember.

Not to worry. Deer do social distancing with humans.
Methinks some look to hard for problems!:icon_wink:

Deer in US have COVID antibodies?????

Maybe they were smarter than some people and got the vaccine:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Right.....

If only it were that simple......

I am NOT looking for a problem, jeez. I am looking for information. I guess 1/2 million dead Americans strike me as a problem I pay attention to.

But what about our dear deer?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The problem is, there is to much information, and a large chunk of it feeds the trolls, confuses, or is unnecessary
Nothing to do with half a million dead in US.

Are they crossing the border in large numbers though?

I agree with what you say, the problem is who decides how much is too much, and who decides what is important? I threw this out as a data point, nothing more. I wanted to see what people thought were.

I actually respect several people that post here regularly. They bring up very valid alternative interpretations of things. That expands my awareness.

BTW, on the same idea, Lake Tahoe has been closed due to Plague being found in rodents. Should we ignore that also?

No worries the CDC reports they have "herd immunity".

OMG!

You won, that is by far the BEST post I have ever read on TOTV!

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Not ignore it but understand it and put it in perspective. Some areas of South Lake Tahoe have been closed because some chipmunks tested positive; the areas are expected to be open by Friday. I did not see where anyone had contracted the plague due to this though I did see mention of someone contracting it last year. As it turns out, there are typically between one and four cases of the plague every year.

Not all of Lake Tahoe is closed, it isn't expected to be closed for long, and it isn't due to infected humans.

So temporary closures due to plague in chipmunks in Lake Tahoe is something to be aware of if you are planning to be in the area but it isn't a life changing event and isn't even a concern for the vast majority of us.

I read about a camper getting the plague in the past year or so. It was a woman and I can't remember the location but I'm pretty sure it was in California so maybe it was in Lake Tahoe. They had cautioned people not feed the squirrels or chipmunks because they were carriers. Luckily, there's an antidote for the Plague and the woman recovered. By the way, I think they call it hantavirus and it's carried by rodents of all kinds mostly in wilderness areas.

Thank you, all good points, and why I posted, to get someone else's perspective.

Agree... Good one GE!

It’s time to mount a campaign, anything that moves should be vaccinated! (That includes equipment, you never know...)

Maybe we could give all the animals a $5,000. incentive.

I hear contrails work for spreading things around, we could add the vaccine to jet fuel LOL!

let me remind you this is an animal's disease. the covid shot has been available for dogs (not sure cats) for as long as i can remember. it hits certain breeds more than others, esp. rottweilers, but this pug gets the shot each year along with the distemper shot. vets say it's picked up from the ground, 1 vet i knew even told us it was 'in the air', like some sort of mystical being, lol. do not be alarmed.

Hantavirus and plague are not the same. One is a virus, and like almost all viruses there is no "antidote". Plague is a bacterial disease and is effectively treated with antibiotics if recognized.

Both illnesses have rodents as their hosts and are mostly found in western states.

And on topic, the spread to deer of Covid could make it more difficult to control. Covid has shown itself to spread easily and to mutate frequently. All our vaccines available to date target specific characteristics of the unique spike protein, and they do a great job of that. However, with billions of copies of Covid being reproduced there will be more mutations. Most mutations are of no evolutionary advantage. Some however produce a change which alters the virus in a way that may make it more contagious or reproduce more efficiently, or of greatest concern, alter the structure of the spike protein in a way that the antibodies induced by the vaccine, or previous natural infection, make the new virus unrecognized.

We will see the vaccine industry working hard to manufacture updated products to keep up with alterations in the circulating variants. If you want to worry, read about the lambda variant. It is too soon for a definitive scientific statement, but early reports suggest it produces a spike protein that is significantly resistant to the vaccine. Hopefully those early reports will be wrong.

The other take home message is that Covid is entirely able to mutate to have new pathological types on its own in animals whether humans, or deer, or bats or pangolins.

The canine coronavirus is not the same as COVID-19.

Best post of the day!:clap2:

How about a civet cat? I'm just being snarky!

Thanks for the clarification about the Hantavirus. I recall several cases of that in Colorado and New Mexico, as you said, transmitted by mice. I think the Hantavirus can be serious or even deadly if not diagnosed properly.

Whitetail deer can live pretty close to human homes - so, deer ticks fall off them onto plants on a woods trail - then bite a dog and then back home to people's house. That is just throwing out possible ideas. Also, I believe that a Puma in a zoo caught CV.

And that's how a dog can introduce Lyme disease into your home, but not COVID---completely different route of transmission. (Oh, and if your the guy who likes my big words, the spirochete of Lyme disease is Borrelia burgdorferi and the tick is Ixodes dermacentor)

You are correct. Plague and Hantavirus are vastly different. We still get a few cases of plague in the US each year, mostly in the southwest. The bacteria is Yersinia pestis, and is easily killed by plain old penicillin (if you recognize it early enough). Whether this is the same bacteria that caused the black death in the 14th century is still being debated.

Nice!

Thanks for the post. Found it interesting and educational as are most of your posts. Too bad the Village Idiots who regularly post don't see the value of these posts and provide useful response.

I guess deer have a 99.xx% recovery just like humans.

then to be fair you have to include comparative data such as - both of these charts from the CDC website. It is very unfortunate that the bonus for all media outlets is that fear sells. Rather it be sex (come on guys laugh!) That aside hopefully these 2 charts lend more of a "so what about the deer" not being mean to deer but in reality animals do get colds and flu.

as a consideration to that statement please keep in mind that currently over 70% of the cases in MA are vaccinated people, as well as there is no reliable proof that having the vaccine is anything different than not. This is all a lab experiment, there are no guarantees than those vaccinated in 3 years will develop something unexpected etc.

Typically all drives go though years of testing in various situations (including on humans) in lab controlled conditions - this is real life experimental testing.

I think we've all been alive long enough to know "too good to be true" usually has a cliff attached to it. There are better topics than C19, heck I don't remember this much posting over Flu type A when it was taking out people left and right..... not a peep.

Good post I learned something.
Unfortunately some people just don’t know how to be nice and post some ugly things . Just have to ignore them . I hope I don’t ever meet them .

Again and again and again.....

There is reliable proof all around that the vaccine is effective. Hospitals are filling around the country with unvaccinated individuals. The number of daily deaths has almost doubled and over 90% are unvaccinated individuals. What more proof can you ask for?

"there are no guarantees than those vaccinated in 3 years..." There are no guarantees in life. I could say there are no guarantees that unvaccinated exposure to the virus won't lead to long-term effects that appear in another eight months.

The virus is intended to kill us and has already taken 613,000 people. Do you really want to say, "well I'll take my chances that it fails?"

The vaccine is designed to keep us alive and has proven to be safe and effective for over 190 million in the US alone. Do you really want to say, "well I read something on facebook that I believe more than the scientists, the reporters, the hospitals, my friends, and my own eyes?"

As a consideration to that statement, consider this: it is 100% WRONG Not even close.

A single, two week sampling in a single county with multiple large gatherings showed that 74% of the positive COVID tests (and "cases" if you consider a test=a case) were among the vaccinated. That was a blurb and then repeated by Walensky from the CDC. However, what percentage of the crowd was vaccinated? If it was 100% then 100% of the "cases" would have been vaccinated. If it was 0%, then 0% of the "cases" would have been vaccinated. So without knowing that percentage, the statement is meaningless and I'm surprised the CDC even mentioned it much less make a big deal out of it and change recommendations.
What is more important is that out of all the hospitalizations during that time, only 4 people were vaccinated. And on this mornings local news, out of 1060 hospitalized COVID patients in the Orlando Advent Health System, 96% were UNvaccinated.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. You point out a comparison of two other causes of death, neither of which are contagious.

Would you feel the same if someone sneezed on your and a couple of days later you had a heart attack?

Minimalizing a half million deaths like this that are preventable is not acceptable to me. Heart attacks and other non-contagious causes of death are bad and most preventable to some degree, but you cannot kill me with a heart attack by simply sneezing on me. The treatment for heart attacks does not have to change because there is a breakout of a new variant of heart attacks in other countries.

It is like comparing crayons and cream soda.

I completely agree with your post, except I would prefer people stop using the US death count and start using the world death count of 4.25 million deaths. And even more important is the worldwide case count - since the more people that get COVID the more it mutates. This is a pandemic, it is not a local (to the US) outbreak.

We certainly need to focus on getting our own house in order, but we also need to be very aware that the spread of COVID around the world will also result in Americans dying.

You are protected from the virus by the vaccine, so doesn’t that remove the “contagious” aspect, or are you beginning to doubt the effectiveness of the vaccine? Are you worried that if someone sneezes on you, you will die?
As far as preventable deaths, 440,000 deaths every year are smoking related. 44,000 are from second hand smoke… For only one year has Covid outpaced smoking related deaths. Where is the outrage? Are those deaths “minimalized”?

wouldn't it be great if they found out that those pesky lovebugs also had the antibodies...at least then I'd feel confident that my windshield would be safe from the delta virus....well, maybe not until we'd been through the second lovebug season though

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yes, you are correct, & this is true, because it USED to be species specific, which mean you can't give it to animals, & they cannot give it to you. not sure about anything re: this new strain, however. is anybody's guess :)