27 people aboard Carnival cruise test positive for covid 19
 

All 27 were vaccinated, had mild or no symptoms, and were in isolation, according to the statement. The tourism board said 99.98% of the ship’s crew was vaccinated, as well as 96.5% of its passengers.

The positive cases were among 26 crew members and one passenger on the Carnival Vista, which is carrying over 1,400 crew and nearly 3,000 passengers, the board said in a statement. The ship arrived Wednesday in Belize City.

27 people aboard Carnival cruise test positive for COVID-19

Wow, 99.98% of the crew were vaccinated, and 26 of them got covid.

It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated I tell you! (sarcasm)

How could this happen?

Obviously, someone boarded the ship and already had covid, most likely a crew member. Maybe all the crew got Pfizer shots? Maybe some of them forged a vaccine card to keep their job?

26/1400 and 1/3000
Those two ratios alone tell a story.

And some folks suffer from seasick illness. But the casinos continue on without a break. Everyone take a cruise and get some fresh air, :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Pretty obvious that a member of the crew brought it onboard, and it spread in the tight quarters the crew have on ships.

There is no need for the crew to forge a vaccine card. The cruise line are vaccinating their crew. Crews on these ships are mostly receiving the J&J vaccine.

We enjoy cruises. However, until “herd immunity” becomes a reality we will pass on taking a cruise. To each his own…

My vaccination is better than yours..........:MOJE_whot:

We are so ready to book a new cruise but not with the variant running amuck.

Maybe forged vaccination cards/QR codes or they received a less effective vaccine like some of the Chinese vaccines. Still, it will be a long time before we think about a cruise.

Absolutely!!!!

26/1400= 1.8% of crew in very tight quarters
1/3000 = 0.03% of passengers doing whatever

All among people vaccinated against the original strain

Pretty darn good, IMHO

Just think what EVERYONE'S odds are just living their life day to day without confined spaces, unless there are still some hiding under their beds and wearing a mask while driving alone (and unfortunately, there are)

Cruises got a bad rap when they were treated like an alien invasion by those who could not find their backside with a map...to which the media immediately focused on the plague ridden ships.

Then and even more so with today's cruise guide lines there are more controllable knowns than going out your front door to the grocery store(s) and back.

Which "variant?" There are seven variants of Covid.

After the results of the Olympics, PGA golf, NCAA football, cruises, and anything else that requires 100% testing I have become convinced that ANY large group tested will reveal COVID positive results.

The vast majority of them would never know they were COVID positive if they were not informed of such.

No, I have no data to support this. Yes, I realize there are a (very) few with serious illness . This is my opinion based on my own observations.

I agree with that. Just my "gestalt" based on 40 years experience practicing medicine and dealing with a variety of issues, but I think there is something seriously wrong with the tests.

And my other observation cannot be tested either----Let's say we give our children the Varicella (chicken pox) vaccine. We just give it and that is that. What we DO NOT do is test them every other day for Varicella antigen, like we are doing with athletes for COVID. And what would we find if we did? Same with flu shots, which are far, far less effective than either Varicella or COVID vaccines? Do we test those vaccinated every day for the flu???

It would make a lot more sense to just vaccinate, then ONLY test those who develop symptoms later.

I think the most important take-away on this "article" is the "mild or no symptoms" part. Moral of the story: vaccines are good. 90+% of people vaccinated in a contained environment is especially good.

100% agree.
Side effect?......it would remove too much of the fear factor being deployed today.

Delta

Side effects of the vaccine? Mostly a sore arm for a few days, a few outliers with a myriad of other symptoms, most of which are probably placebo effect/somatization.
But there is one poster who will come back with his "100 million had serious side effects and 2 million died from the vaccine", which we know is a crock, so I'll put it out there first so he doesn't have to repeat that nonsense.

My first shot my arm was sore that night and the next day, and I felt the same way I usually feel when I -think- I might be about to come down with a cold - but don't actually come down with it. Just a little blah, not my usual perky self.

The second shot my arm was sorer than in the first, and I felt a little achy in general but nothing a single ibuprophen couldn't fix.

Neither shot was even remotely as bad as the Shingrix shot, and neither shot's side effects was even close to almost bas bad as a migraine headache.

Totally and completely tolerable, though obviously not fun.

This post will go on forever either you go on a cruise or don’t end of discussion!
I really don’t care either way, no one is twisting arms either way.

I’ll take those odds anytime. More people probably caught the flu onboard.
Testing positive for Covid is not a big deal, we all might have had it during the last 18 months and not have known it. If you are worried, stay home

Herd immunity
 

Herd immunity will never happen with this type of virus.

So that’s just it, the vaccinated are spreading it more, since they have milder cases, thus not staying home in bed, but are up out and about more. Maybe it’s more of a pandemic of the vaccinated?
Don’t get me wrong, I support vaccinations, just trying to be rational in an un-rational America.

COVID Test Validity
 

I am very uncomfortable with the universal acceptance of the validity of every COVID test. Way too many variables in the process of manufacture, transport, application, and reporting of results.

In the situation where the DEATH data reporting system either cannot or will not distinguish between a death BY covid and a death WITH covid, how much credence should we put in the reported results of 'COVID tests'.

I would call the hospitals in states , yes whole states , that have no ICU beds available especially pediatric beds .

Your business but why post if you do not care one way or the other?

Has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe it’s the test?

Or maybe, just maybe the vaccines don’t really work😳 So tell me again…why should we get vaccinated?

Over 90% of those in the hospitals and those who have died were unvaccinated.

I wish you would. Call the states and get the information first hand. It is unfortunate that we are getting our information through the filter of a political media and online news sources. Why you are at it, find out how many of the hospitalized are legal citizens. I'm curious.

Or maybe as science has been telling you ….the shot makes you a host for the virus. This is why it is not a vaccine but a shot. Because it CAN NOT STOP YOU from getting the virus. They have said said since DAY ONE you can still get and carry the virus but all you sheep just listened to the left media mob……now it has cause even a bigger problem

I never give enough credit to what my wife has taught me. When this pandemic started, she said "I have a hard time being frightened by a virus I don't even know I have, unless I get a specific test for it".

That statement is a perfect description for what happened on this Carnival Cruise. The ONLY meaningful information given was that ALL the positive test patients were either mild or no symptoms at all! Remember how these tests are given. Nose swabs. If there was a test for EVERY germ, just think what we would find in a nose swab!

My takeaway from the OP is that the vaccinations worked 100% in the case of that cruise. NO ONE WAS EVEN SICK.

Herd immunity is not going to happen. I read estimates last week that said that with this Delta variant, the herd immunity level would be about 97% vaccinated. Much different from before. Also estimated that it will be at least two years to vaccinate everyone in third-world countries willing to be vaccinated. Better to get as much protection as possible now.

Studies are showing that spending time in close quarters with someone shedding virus particles will lead to vaccinated people catching such a load that it overwhelms their vaccine. (Most crew members on cruise ships sleep in dorm rooms with many levels of narrow bunks with little space between bunks. There’s a good chance that most of the sick crew members bunked together. For all I know, they may also share their bunks with other crew members as shifts change.) Also, as mentioned, the J&J vaccine, one shot, is less effective. Worse, there are Chinese vaccines that are even less effective, and the Russian one is even worse. The Russians and Chinese have been making their vaccines available in many countries from which crew come, including Central America and Asia and Eastern Europe. I hope this will get straightened out.

It only takes one unvaccinated person to spread the virus. Everyone should be tested before boarding.

Sure it will, if enough people either get vaccinated or get infected with the virus. Seems there is no escaping it if your not vaccinated so we will get to herd immunity eventually. It would be great if it was sooner than later though.

The vaccines do work to keep us out of the hospital and to prevent severe symptoms and death. That is a pretty good reason right there to get vaccinated. Those folks who are fully vaccinated and run into problems with hospitalization are those who are immunocompromised. That is very well publicized at this point and it is also well known that those folks did not elicit a strong immune response from the mRNA vaccines. This is the reason immunocompromised people are eligible for booster shots now. Folks with strong immune systems are still very protected from death with these mRNA vaccines.

This is nonsense. How can you achieve herd immunity when the virus, in less than a year, has already begun to breakthrough vaccine immunity in large numbers?

Even if we managed to get to herd immunity in the USA, how you going to manage to vaccinate the other 7.5 Billion people on earth?

Gee, maybe we could close our borders. :1rotfl:

Herd Immunity 'Not A Possibility' With COVID-19 Delta: Oxford

Herd Immunity 'Not a Possibility' With Delta: AstraZeneca Developer

Seriously? Where in the world did you get that idea? Uh, don't bother, I think I know. ROTFLMAO!!!

The vaccine makes it more difficult for the virus to infiltrate human cells. The vaccine makes the immune system launch a response to attack the virus and not allow it to replicate in the cells, therefore lessening the amount of hosts it can infect. Un-vaccinated people are fueling the virus much more so than vaccinated people. Vaccinated people are not contagious nearly as long as an un-vaccinated person so right then and there, there is a huge difference between which group are fueling the pandemic. This is not a pandemic of vaccinated people. It is a pandemic of the un-vaxxinated. Un-vaxxinated people are the ones filling up hospital beds and are dying. The numbers are the proof.

With more to come because ALL viruses mutate. There will NEVER be "herd immunity" because it is found/replicates in several different animals vs "only" humans....but people don't want to face that fact. It is a virus....it WILL continue to mutate. Focus needs to be on EFFECTIVE TREATMENT.

In the same token, it only takes one vaccinated person who is contagious, to spread the virus. Protect yourselves out there. Either get yourself vaccinated or wear an N95 mask and keep away from others when indoors.