COVID Breakthrough Rates
 

Here's what you need to know about COVID-19 breakthrough infections | Live Science

Finally, some numbers on breakthrough rates of COVID in the new surge of cases. My takeaways: (1) Less than 10% of new COVID cases are breakthrough, (2) if fully vaccinated you have a 1 in 20,000 chance of needing to be hospitalized if you get COVID, (3) if you are fully vaccinated you have a 1 in 7 million chance of dying from COVID, and (4) if you are not vaccinated you could be an incubator for more deadly variants of COVID. Bottom line: Vaccination is the best way to stay safe from COVID and prevent it’s possible future spread.

That would be encouraging, BUT.......your source is:

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Given the time it takes the shots to take affect, if you haven't been vaccinated you had better get it done or hope this is all just a hoax. Too bad for the less than 12 age group that have to suffer foolish adults and adolescents over 12. Time will tell.

Apparently, someone didn’t get the memo. Everyone can carry and spread covid 19, even the vaccinated. Covid can also break through and infect the vaccinated and there is no stopping that virus at this time.

I’m fully vaccinated and am on day 12 in the hospital. None of these numbers matter when it happens to you.

What are “breakout “ cases by the way.?

So sorry to hear you have been in the hospital for so long. I don't know if you were serious with your "breakout" question. In case you were, it'e called "Breakthrough" and it's vaccinated people that get sick with Covid. I wish you fast healing.

The vast majority of people being hospitalized are unvaccinated. I think that memo has been making the rounds. Yes, there are cases of the vaccinated getting sick but hopefully not too sick.

Sound like it was an annus horriblis these last 12 months for you. Get better soon!

That’s awful! Hope you are on your way to full recovery.

You are creating the fear
 

One of the biggest contributors to the concern and fear amongst those who are unvaccinated (I believe it is over 50% who have not been fully vaccinated) is the censorship. People ask, "Why are they not allowing doctors with different views to debate". Every time the CDC flips on a topic, especially topics where they suspended peoples accounts for posting on said topic, they create greater mistrust.

Stop with the censorship already. Let people have access to all of the facts. Do you really believe by only allowing your view, people will magically agree with you.?

The study I read from the UK (21% breakthrough) and the one from the CDC (20%) seem to show double the breakthrough cases.

The CDC is updating their guidance given new circumstances. They try to give their best advice given what they know NOW as things develop. They are not stuck in the mud. It is not the CDC that changes, in my opinion, it is the circumstances now, that change.

Too sick? Did you just read fully vaccinated Winston Boogie’s report on this thread about his long hospitalization with covid?

Wishing him a full recovery and return to good health!

I thank the OP for making another covid thread

Understood. BUT, when these officials make a statement, such as, "If you get vaccinated you do not need to wear a mask", they need to add a disclaimer. Such as "If you get vaccinated you do not need to wear a mask, according to the present information we have. If / when new information comes to light, mask requirements may change".
This is partly the cause of mistrust.

You mean sort of like: According to present information, schoolkids no longer need to practice hiding under their desks in the event of a Russian nuclear attack. If new info comes to light, you may need to "protect" yourself by once again hiding under your desk.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I don't believe anything the so called experts say anymore.

A study from Emory University Vaccine Center

People who have recovered from COVID-19 retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, according to a new study.

In following the patients for months, researchers got a more nuanced view of how the immune system responds to COVID-19 infection. The picture that emerges indicates that the body’s defense shield not only produces an array of neutralizing antibodies but activates certain T and B cells to establish immune memory, offering more sustained defenses against reinfection.
The study suggests that patients who survived COVID-19 are likely to also possess protective immunity even against some SARS-CoV-2 variants.

“We saw that antibody responses, especially IgG antibodies, were not only durable in the vast majority of patients but decayed at a slower rate than previously estimated, which suggests that patients are generating longer-lived plasma cells that can neutralize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.”

The CDC jumps to conclusions too quickly. It’s not unusual for them to base their “opinion” on too few studies that are often too small to be considered reliable. Good science is not practiced well by many. But just use the words “study” or “science” and people easily swallow it as an undeniable fact.

I have 5 vaccinated friends in TV that have Covid right now. Fortunately no hospitalizations. Hope you get well soon!

I’ve read similar. I’ve also read that it’s been a well known fact for decades that it’s the vaccinated that cause a virus to mutate. The mutation is an attempt to survive the change in the host.

I am not seeing anything about percentages of people that have not been vaccinated but had Covid, and still have very high antibodies. I get tested for antibodies every three months and they are still extremely high. Every one that I know of in my category that has been exposed to Covid has not gotten it. My doctor is advising me not to get vaccinated as long as my antibodies are still so high. A good friend had Bell’s palsy years ago and her doctor told her she absolutely cannot get vaccinated or it will trigger it back again. Again, I would like to see statistics regarding natural immunity.

I think that the CDC, The Surgeon General, and the FDA are reacting to information as it becomes available to them. It is childish to expect that just because they are a group of ethical scientists whose job it is to protect us, that they will have concrete information in a fast changing situation. First, it is almost impossible to trust local and regional information with all kinds of different criteria and political issues.

I am indeed tired of people calling me fearful, for trying to avoid getting sick by being vaccinated and wearing a mask when I think that their fear makes them swallow a bunch of crap from people without any credentials at all. They believe people from their church or who vote like they do.

If you take the time and check out valid sources, you will get closer to the truth. Start with your own PCP.

Everyone's case is different and the details matter but I personally know someone who had Bell's Palsy years ago and was vaccinated and has had no problems at all.

Time to CloseThis Thread
 

I started this thread to share some information I found regarding COVID vaccine effectiveness.

The MSM inundates us with the latest numbers of COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths ad nauseam. But they don’t report the percentage of unvaccinated in those numbers. If they did, we would have some real-world data about the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Only posts #18 and #22 added any useful information to the “discusssion”. All other replies were completely off-point.

Moderator, it’s time to close this post.

That is what the original post said.

Get well soon! Please reach down deep inside and muster up all the energy and positive thoughts you possibly can and get yourself home. Stay in touch we are all thinking of you.

So many unknown unknowns with this virus it seems destined to humble everyone.

The Delta varient is a new story. Viral loads are 1,000 times higher which is why it is more infectious.

The viral loads in the throats of vaccinated persons who become infected with delta rises at identical rates as in unvaccinated persons, but only for the first few days. After five days or so, the viral loads in the vaccinated person start to quickly drop whereas those in the unvaccinated person persist. This key set of observations is important for several reasons relating to vaccinated persons serving as vectors for spread *

So those vaccinated can more easily transmit Delta asymptomaticly.

I would be especially dilligent to protect others (isolate/mask) if starting to feel that scratchy throat pre-cold state.

* What we now know about how to fight the delta variant of COVID | Column

The CDC guidelines for people like us is to get the vaccine. Doesn't make since does it, they aren't following the science.

Yes, and thank you very much for proving my point. If there was a sudden nuclear attack, I would hope our teaching staff would advise all students to take whatever cover they could, however ineffective that cover may be.
Our medical community is guilty of "Failure to communicate" , or, otherwise known as , "Lying by omission".

This post asks about statistics about the UNvaccinated. I did not think that there was much question about that. But, I can give my best opinion........I have heard many, MANY times on MANY news channels that at MANY hospitals the CV patients with life-threatening problems are somewhere between 90% and 97% UNvaccinated. It is happening that way in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and others. What I heard about Florida yesterday is that 75% of Fl. hospitals are suffering from STAFF SHORTAGES. Many expert Doctors on news programs have said that the US has a Pandemic of the UNvaccinated. I hope this helps clear things up!

97% of US medical Doctors ARE vaccinated. That is a statement that they are making that I will TRUST.

So sorry to hear this—Wishing you a rapid recovery!

No, what I said is in my PRAGMATIC opinion.

lol....PCR test were recalled by the FDA...fake

There are two types of unvaccinated, those who have not caught the virus, and those who already have caught the virus.

Dr. Peter Weiss, a clinical professor at the School of Medicine at UCLA for 30 years, and was the National Health Care Advisor for Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign.

He wrote a research paper on N95 masks that was published in 2007 in the American Journal of Public health.

He states that for an N 95 mask to be effective it has to be form fitted. Surgical masks are made of three plied layers of synthetic microfibers an extra fine synthetic fibers which block out much larger particles but do a poor job of blocking the much smaller particles associated with COVID-19 viral transmission. The COVID-19 virus is extremely small 60–140 nanometers, which is 1/thousandths of a micron. The vast majority of COVID-19 is spread in much much smaller aerosol spray of 1/1000 of a micron. These small particles can penetrate deeper into the lungs. We don’t wear them for viral protection.

He goes on to state even though I am a believer in the vaccine, I understand those who aren’t and respect the right of a healthy 18 year old woman to decline receiving it. For the 36 million people who have had Covid, there’s no need for them to get the vaccine, since they have natural immunity. For how long, we don’t know, but research suggests durable immunity. It’s simple to test and find out if you still have antibodies against COVID-19. (I, myself, give blood regularly that shows that my antibodies are still with me after eight months. It has also been showed that people who have survived the SARS-2 from years ago, which COVID-19 is, still have antibodies 17 years later.)

Kids and covid
 

Facts state that kids are not at high risk at all.

Which part?

Your desk is wooden?
Your opinion is pragmatic (maybe)?
I'll ride it out in Cheyenne Mountain?

And as I've previously stated, I love my little rolling laughing men---they're not going anywhere:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And just to review, the original claim you made referred to the CDC changing from the vaccinated need not wear a mask to the current policy. This is a moving target, and delta came along as well. You should be thankful, not "mistrustful" that they have your back. My analogy, which may have been over your head, was to show that a disclaimer about what the future might bring is actually pretty silly.

Understand now???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

What happened to the “flu”
 

The flu has mysteriously disappeared hmm 🤔 I wonder why?


QUOTE=msu69er;1990047]Here's what you need to know about COVID-19 breakthrough infections | Live Science

Finally, some numbers on breakthrough rates of COVID in the new surge of cases. My takeaways: (1) Less than 10% of new COVID cases are breakthrough, (2) if fully vaccinated you have a 1 in 20,000 chance of needing to be hospitalized if you get COVID, (3) if you are fully vaccinated you have a 1 in 7 million chance of dying from COVID, and (4) if you are not vaccinated you could be an incubator for more deadly variants of COVID. Bottom line: Vaccination is the best way to stay safe from COVID and prevent it’s possible future spread.[/QUOTE]

Every part. And I thank you for proving my point. Over and out, I have better uses for my time. I graduated from elementary school many years ago.