New details emerge about coronavirus research at chinese lab
 

According to Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University, the documents contain critical information about the research done in Wuhan, including about the creation of novel viruses. “The viruses they constructed were tested for their ability to infect mice that were engineered to display human type receptors on their cell,”

Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

Wuhan lab documents show Fauci ‘untruthful’ about gain-of-function research

The documents also include a second grant titled “Understanding Risk of Zoonotic Virus Emergence in Emerging Infectious Disease Hotspots of Southeast Asia,” which was awarded in August last year.

Under the terms and conditions of that grant approval, there is a section noting that prior to “further altering the mutant viruses,” the NIAID needs to be given a “detailed description of the proposed alterations and supporting evidence for the anticipated phenotypics characteristics of each virus.”

Wuhan lab documents show Fauci 'untruthful' about research: critics

Controls on ‘gain of function’ experiments with supercharged pathogens have been
undercut despite concerns about lab leaks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...n-the-shadows/

https://archive.is/qGhfY#selection-193.0-197.41

saw this 1 earlier today, pretty much the same message. Wuhan lab documents show Fauci 'untruthful' about research: critics

And this;
FOIA Release: Fauci Funded Construction Of '''Chimeric Coronaviruses''' In Wuhan | ZeroHedge

There’s no evidence that the Wuhan laboratory, with or without funding from an NIH grant, created SARS-CoV-2.

There’s no evidence that the Wuhan laboratory, with or without funding from an NIH grant, created SARS-CoV-2.

There’s no evidence that the Wuhan laboratory, with or without funding from an NIH grant, created SARS-CoV-2.

There’s no evidence that the Wuhan laboratory, with or without funding from an NIH grant, created SARS-CoV-2.

And just in case you're not convinced:

There’s no evidence that the Wuhan laboratory, with or without funding from an NIH grant, created SARS-CoV-2.

Hmmmm....don't know why, but Joseph Goebbels comes to mind

Thanks. I knew this was true in early 2020. I roll my eyes when Americans are so obsessed with it. I blame the Chinese government and those who support it

Please explain how the polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA wound up in Sars-Cov2

If you say "nature" then you need to show us which predecessor virus has this insert at that position or even something remotely close where a few generations of substitutions might lead to that insert which makes it fuse so well with human tissue.

You also need to point to the animal reservoir in which this virus existed as of December of 2019.(here's a hint, it didn't exist)

You also will need to continue to ignore that gain of function research uses a polybasic furin cleavage insert PRRA at exactly that spot.

Don't hurt yourself twisting up in knots trying wiggle out of that one.

Yes, I know of Dr. Ebright, formerly of University of Texas now with Rutgers. An impeccable reputation that can't be besmirched. In fact, he helped the Chinese build (or was a consultant) the state-of-the-art 4 level security lab in Wuhan in 2017. He was interviewed about it at the time and was worried about virus escapes from the lab. He said the Chinese were careless about this kind of thing as there had been accidents that resulted in leaks from their high security labs in Beijing.

Dr. Fauci's repeated narratives . . . . .
 

While we are told "No Politics" - it is obvious the repeated statement was simple SATIRE ! A form of justified political criticism, which NEEDS to be addressed.

Well I am not a research scientist, but I dealt with the Chinese in business for many years and I understand their mindset. First off their pay scale is horrible even for scientists doctors and engineers people that we would think we get a large salary, so if someone says I'm going to take these home and sell them and eat them it's quite possible. Secondly they have no idea of quality control in manufacturing nor do they care about quality control, so when you stayed above this doctor was worried about their security, remember that 99% of security guards in China are under the age of 24 and have less than a high school education. Now withstanding the actual mindset of the Chinese who are in charge of security as far as the actual medical research. They simply are told to do something and they are robots and cannot understand when "b" happens instead of "A".

as Sherlock Holmes has said once you take away the improbable, that it's usually the most common and simple thing that happened.

And I care why?

Fauci is a criminal who is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands across the globe. He should be tried and executed as a war criminal instead of being celebrated as an authority.

I care because "gain of function" means weaponized.

Like I said before, we need to look more closely to the possibility that this thing originated right here in the U.S. of A. I would not be surprised if eventually we find that it came from someplace like Ft.Detrick, MD where the weaponized Anthrax was "leaked."
Not a conspiracy theory, but just very easy to assume considering it's track record. Assuming that Fauci invested in "gain of function" solely based upon something from China seems kind of strange. I would like to know if the material experimented upon came from US. That may also be the reason we do not hear very much about any concern by our gov in regards to how this whole thing got started.

I think it will be a lot sooner than two years.

You play with fire you get burned.

Is your attempt to change the subject an acknowledgment that there is no evidence that the Wuhan lab created SARS-Cov-2?

The Chinese deny it, the WHO hardly looked for it, the US Intelligence Agencies couldn't confirm it. The evidence may be out there but it doesn't seem to have been found yet.

New details will always emerge
 

One can find ‘data’ to support almost any belief. There are tapes, ‘the Woodward Tapes’ that have recorded voices acknowledging what one simultaneously called a hoax to an anxious nation… while acknowledging the actuality of a real easily spread novel disease. Then hiding behind the ‘preventing panic’ excuse. There is blame to cast in many directions. Even to ourselves if we don’t take appropriate precautions to stop the spread. We, the people, were lied to. A quick week in the news cycle, then we forget who contributed to our american suffering, and look back to China. A trip to Aldis, no mask, no distancing, and we don’t acknowledge that we are spreaders tho we shall never know our victims. If we spread it ..then….are we not the same as China?

Just as the U.S. and other countries spends a lot of money identifying the strains of the flu most likely to make people sick here in the next few months so this year’s flu vaccine can be made, so they also pay for studies of possible strains of other or similar organisms that might be a problem. Such as the Ebola virus. Forewarned is forearmed. That research can’t be done without gathering the animals and running the tests. One hope is that if there is ever a breakout of some new disease in humans, or chickens, or whatever, the organism will have already been identified, which helps virologists. That research is best done in countries where the animals live. It’s hard to gather hundreds of bats in China and bring them here for testing, and it is also much more expensive than working with a lab in China. So mostly this is about building a database and keeping samples in the freezers. This also involves constantly searching for mutations that might be dangerous and trying to anticipate what mutations might be forthcoming.

Here is a paragraph from the New York Post article you link to that is from the NIH clarifying what must happen if a deadlier variant is found:

And you were surprised by this why?

The fact is that there is plenty of evidence. It has been covered up, and is now exposed. Anybody that TAKES THE TIME to look into it can very easily see what happened. The evidence is overwhelming, the cover up and deception is is no longer amazing, but frightening.

1938 Germany

Plenty of evidence and its been developing since the beginning. It has always been there to be seen. You're simply too blind to recognize it. And, you're probably one of many that believe the changes to our country as a result are good.

Anyone else notice the tactics being used to shut down a thread they don't agree with? 'We don't want people to know the truth so we'll shut down this thread'.

This thread is about Fauci. The acts of a prior political leader have nothing to do with this content.

Wouldn't 100% of American toilet paper be made in America??
 

the fact of the matter is whatever side of the fence you are on there are articles to support your views. And it is highly unlikely that you are going to change anyone's mind.

No Political References
 

What does any of this have to do with The Villages? I thought this website didn’t allow political references. Take you politics elsewhere. Enough! Please!

Change the subject?

My post is EXACTLY THE SUBJECT.

The polybasic Furin Cleavage site is why Sars-cov2 infects humans so well. The Delta varient even improved on it by changing the P in PRRA to RRRA. This makes it fuse exceptionally easily.

PRRA is used in Gain of Function research and not found in nature in these bat corona viruses. It is there because a human put it there in a Laboratory.

So I guess you don’t care where your tax dollars go-who in government you can trust-do you care about the fact that “professionals lie to Congress and the American people. If you don’t care about any of this perhaps you won’t care when you’re no longer free to do the things you like to do. Perhaps you won’t care when you can no longer afford to live the lifestyle you want. Perhaps you’ll not care about what kind of government we leave for the generations to come.

Freedom is only one generation away from disappearing.

In order to believe what you just said, people have to put aside their insistence that the conspiracies without merit MUST be true. They have to forgo the notion that "fiction based on things I, an ordinary layman, can't possibly understand," has to be fact that sounds impressive so I'll believe it. They must set aside their suspension of disbelief of junk-science, and instead, believe things that a) make sense, b) aren't accusing anyone of anything nefarious, c) don't fit some kind of political agenda to criminalize something just because you're favorite political person was stupid enough to believe it and announce to the world that they thought it was true.

If lightning strikes your house, you can blame China's dictator for directing a laser beam on the USA and aiming it for your house specifically because you know the truth about an assassin because you saw it on a youtube video.

Or, you can blame it on the weather.

Some people (especially here on ToTV) will choose the more convoluted fabrication because it sounds more interesting, and they'd rather believe life is more interesting than random cloud clusters.

Then your evidence that the virus was created in China is the presence of the cleavage site.

The cleavage site could ONLY be put there in a laboratory AND that particular cleavage site could ONLY be put there in a laboratory in China. Otherwise, if it could have occurred in nature then the cleavage site isn't evidence that it was man-made and if a laboratory elsewhere in the world has the technology to insert it then it isn't evidence that it was created in China.

Do I really need to take the time to copy the links to show that this isn't the slam dunk proof you seem to imply?

Could it have been man-made? Absolutely. Could it have been made in China? Absolutely. Is the presence of the cleavage site indisputable evidence that the SARS-Cov-2 virus was made in a lab in Wuhan China? Absolutely not.

am i the only one freaked-out over the chimera research??:shocked: what are we becoming?

You stated a form of the logical paradox, “Everything I say is a lie.”

Is it indisputable evidence? No. Is it evidence beyond a reasonable doubt? Yes.

The polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA in bat corona viruses does not exist in nature in 2019. Got that?

All the sudden it emerges in humans in 2019. In fact, it emerges in 3 workers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

WIV does gain of function research with bat corona viruses. WIV does GOF research using a poly basic furin cleavage site PRRA.

When you hear hoof beats, you think horses not zebras.

Could someone, somewhere else have done the insert, carried it to Wuhan, found 3 laboratory workers, infected them and set the whole thing off? Sure, I guess. Could monkeys exit your posterior and take flight? Sure, it's about as likely.

Speaking of convoluted fabrication reread your convoluted post.

Scared?
 

Not trying to be inconsiderate here, but if reading other folks thoughts scares you, maybe you should not be reading them. And, we all could be saying, "Thank you, thank you," depending on what side you are on. I've come to the point of disbelieving most of what I hear or read regarding Covid. Relying on my own logic and common sense has brought me this far, I don't intend to change now.

My own logic and common sense has guided me to relying on people who know more than I do about a thing, rather than relying on my own logic and common sense.

Sort of like when someone is dying of COVID-19 in the hospital and they pray to god and ask why they're on their deathbed when they believed and prayed every day and were devout and followed everything their religion told them to do.

And god says "I sent you scientists. You rejected them. I sent you a vaccine. You rejected it. That's why you're dying."

Nicely stated.

A key indicator of the virus origination is that China has never produced who is Patient Zero. In history, we knew rather quickly who was patient zero when it came to SARS, HIV/Aids, Spanish Flu, MERS, Typhoid, Swine Flu and Ebola. You only hide something to avoid being caught. China is 100% responsible for the development and sadly the distribution of the COVID virus. If China could have proved their innocence they would have.

Again. Good to see some common sense.

Who is '''patient zero''' in the coronavirus outbreak? - BBC Future

Various organizations have looked for the COVID-19 "patient zero".