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CoachKandSportsguy 09-29-2021 08:50 PM

TESLA battery fires continue
 
Tesla Model S Catches Fire at Tesla Service Center in Marietta, Georgia - autoevolution

not something I want in my garage

Bay Kid 09-30-2021 05:26 AM

Not a fan of battery carts either.

FenneyGuy 09-30-2021 05:27 AM

I would never, ever buy a Tesla.

txfan 09-30-2021 06:53 AM

No problems with either and have both EV car and golf carts. Wouldn’t think of owning gas-powered again.

CoachKandSportsguy 09-30-2021 07:31 AM

There was one house fire within the last year, on the tv news site, when the owners were not home, started in the garage, and the only item which burned was the golf cart. Did not say whether it was gas or electric, but generally gas explodes, and batteries burn. . .
was put out quickly thankfully

good luck to those with batteries. .

GrumpyOldMan 09-30-2021 07:32 AM

round and round we go...

B-flat 09-30-2021 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FenneyGuy (Post 2010719)
I would never, ever buy a Tesla.

Plus one!

Byte1 09-30-2021 11:54 AM

The older golf carts use lead acid batteries that do not usually burn. The new electric carts are using lithium batteries like the cars and if they are over charged or get overheated, they will burn VERY hot. It's not fun trying to put out a lithium fire and by the time you get it put out, you will likely have nothing left but a blob of molten metal.

Dana1963 09-30-2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2010956)
The older golf carts use dry cell batteries that do not usually burn. The new electric carts are using lithium batteries like the cars and if they are over charged or get overheated, they will burn VERY hot. It's not fun trying to put out a lithium fire and by the time you get it put out, you will likely have nothing left but a blob of molten metal.

Older golf cards did not use Dry Cell either Lead Acid or AGM (Gel Cell)

Brad-tv 09-30-2021 03:14 PM

Yea regular internal combustible engines never go on fire you better stay away from electric vehicles!!

CoachKandSportsguy 09-30-2021 08:50 PM

Reported vehicle explosion at Calverton runway causes five cars to catch fire: cops - RiverheadLOCAL

and another,

CoachKandSportsguy 09-30-2021 08:51 PM

and nnother tonight. .

https://twitter.com/BaltCoVolFire/st...35421771526145

GrumpyOldMan 09-30-2021 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2011180)

And to be fair would you post a link to stories about the 150 ICE cars that catch fire every day? Probably not huh - that is not really news.

More Than 150 Gas Car Fires Per Day — Can We Please Get Serious About Electric Car Battery Fires? | CleanTechnica

thevillages2013 10-01-2021 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2011184)
And to be fair would you post a link to stories about the 150 ICE cars that catch fire every day? Probably not huh - that is not really news.

More Than 150 Gas Car Fires Per Day — Can We Please Get Serious About Electric Car Battery Fires? | CleanTechnica

Ok BUT the majority of the ICE (internal combustion engine) fires are the result of an accident but the Tesla fires happen generally with the car parked somewhere unattended maybe charging or maybe not. That’s the damn scary part

villageuser 10-01-2021 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2010796)
There was one house fire within the last year, on the tv news site, when the owners were not home, started in the garage, and the only item which burned was the golf cart. Did not say whether it was gas or electric, but generally gas explodes, and batteries burn. . .
was put out quickly thankfully

good luck to those with batteries. .

Which is why they’re telling people not to charge the cars overnight in a closed garage. The cars should be unplugged prior to or when reaching full charge, and best done in open air. I personally won’t get a Tesla unless its workmanship is improved but I am eyeing the EV cars coming up next year. I can’t wait to get one.

CoachKandSportsguy 10-01-2021 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2011184)
And to be fair would you post a link to stories about the 150 ICE cars that catch fire every day? Probably not huh - that is not really news.

More Than 150 Gas Car Fires Per Day — Can We Please Get Serious About Electric Car Battery Fires? | CleanTechnica

lets talk a relative number, electric fires per number of registered electrical vehicles, and the same for gas fires per number of registered gas vehicles. . . then do fires per teslas versus fires per other EV

its the biggest obstacle to electric cars, other than the grid will need to continue to be upgraded. . as well as increased taxes for increased fire fighting equipment and increased insurance rates for the increase in the number of totaled cars per accident.

but sure, there are ICE fires which can be put out quickly

merrymini 10-01-2021 05:45 AM

Have a tesla 3 and love it. Have an electric golf cart too, for the last several years, and love that too. Thinking of selling the tesla to make some money. They are harder to get now and selling at a premium. Will be the first time in my life that I get more for a automobile then I paid for it!

txfan 10-01-2021 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by B-flat (Post 2010810)
Plus one!

Minus one!

mrf0151 10-01-2021 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by txfan (Post 2010762)
No problems with either and have both EV car and golf carts. Wouldn’t think of owning gas-powered again.

For those that own Lithium battery golf carts and Electric cars (Tesla etc.) Hold on to your wallet when it is time to replace the battery pack. And for those that say," well I will sell it before I need to replace the battery pack," well who in their right mind will want to buy it??

CosmicTrucker 10-01-2021 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2011180)

So, you just cherry picked two reports of Tesla fires, but failed to connect the fact that the first car was a flooded car sitting in a insurance collection zone and the other was involved in an accident.

jarodrig 10-01-2021 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmicTrucker (Post 2011341)
So, you just cherry picked two reports of Tesla fires, but failed to connect the fact that the first car was a flooded car sitting in a insurance collection zone and the other was involved in an accident.

Now wait !!! Why confuse the readers with the facts ??? LOL 😂

Dana1963 10-01-2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2011339)
For those that own Lithium battery golf carts and Electric cars (Tesla etc.) Hold on to your wallet when it is time to replace the battery pack. And for those that say," well I will sell it before I need to replace the battery pack," well who in their right mind will want to buy it??

The same was said for Prius introduces 1997. Another reference for viewing is “Who Killed the Electric Car?” 2006 documentary

Dana1963 10-01-2021 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2010693)

As a PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, the Space Station is in JEOPARDY “ In its final configuration, the space station now has three lithium-ion batteries for each channel, each with a service life lasting nearly 10 years. With eight channels, 24 lithium-ion batteries on board replaced 48 nickel-hydrogen batteries.” July 2021.

GrumpyOldMan 10-01-2021 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2011339)
For those that own Lithium battery golf carts and Electric cars (Tesla etc.) Hold on to your wallet when it is time to replace the battery pack. And for those that say," well I will sell it before I need to replace the battery pack," well who in their right mind will want to buy it??

The cost over time is less than the maintenance on an ICE. So, yes, more cost when buying or replacing, but the total cost of ownershipis less - at this point - it is expected to get better as time goes on.

GrumpyOldMan 10-01-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2011249)
lets talk a relative number, electric fires per number of registered electrical vehicles, and the same for gas fires per number of registered gas vehicles. . . then do fires per teslas versus fires per other EV

its the biggest obstacle to electric cars, other than the grid will need to continue to be upgraded. . as well as increased taxes for increased fire fighting equipment and increased insurance rates for the increase in the number of totaled cars per accident.

but sure, there are ICE fires which can be put out quickly

Okay, let's do it, oh, you meant me, you want ME to prove your point? I don't do that. If you have a point and want to make it, I will be glad to read and consider your position.

Nucky 10-01-2021 08:36 AM

I’ll still take my chances with the Cybertruck. Can’t wait!

OhioBuckeye 10-01-2021 09:54 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2010693)

Actually I’m not sold on ANY electric car. I say this & some people think I’m being paranoid. I worked at Fo. Mo. Co. for 38 yrs. & I know the expense of owning one so I don’t even make an attempt to give my reasons. So if anybody wants one, go for it! I’m sure some people will love them.

Two Bills 10-01-2021 10:26 AM

Compared to ICE cars, electric are barely out of development stage.
Horsemen were saying ICE would never take over from 4 legs.
Look how that turned out.
Knock them as you will.
They are the future!

Byte1 10-01-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 2011001)
Older golf cards did not use Dry Cell either Lead Acid or AGM (Gel Cell)

My bad. You are correct and I do not know why I made that mistake. They are Deep Cycle batteries, is what I meant.

Byte1 10-01-2021 10:54 AM

Ok, I keep hearing folks say "the batteries will get better in a few years." Isn't that the point? They AREN'T good now. Even if the Lithium batteries last ten years, they constantly get weaker as each month/year goes by. Who wants to take a trip to another state in an electric car? Go a hundred or so miles and have to stop for four hours or more to charge the car? A normally 8 hour trip will take you a couple days to complete. If I wanted to take that much time, I could use a horse.
Over charge the batteries and start a dangerous fire. Cost of replacing the batteries, might as well purchase a new car. If they ever outlaw gas propelled cars, I will go to leasing the car. Right now, I am getting rid of my battery powered golf cart and going to a gas fueled cart because it costs $800 to replace the batteries. Sure, lithium will last ten years but don't overheat it or you might burn down your home.
Don't try to sell the battery powered car until you can get 800-1000 miles per charge and make it safe from overcharging/over heating. Then get the price down to a price that the average earner can afford.
Like anyone wants to sit at a charging station for four hours!

GrumpyOldMan 10-01-2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2011472)
Ok, I keep hearing folks say "the batteries will get better in a few years." Isn't that the point? They AREN'T good now. Even if the Lithium batteries last ten years, they constantly get weaker as each month/year goes by. Who wants to take a trip to another state in an electric car? Go a hundred or so miles and have to stop for four hours or more to charge the car? A normally 8 hour trip will take you a couple days to complete. If I wanted to take that much time, I could use a horse.
Over charge the batteries and start a dangerous fire. Cost of replacing the batteries, might as well purchase a new car. If they ever outlaw gas propelled cars, I will go to leasing the car. Right now, I am getting rid of my battery powered golf cart and going to a gas fueled cart because it costs $800 to replace the batteries. Sure, lithium will last ten years but don't overheat it or you might burn down your home.
Don't try to sell the battery powered car until you can get 800-1000 miles per charge and make it safe from overcharging/over heating. Then get the price down to a price that the average earner can afford.
Like anyone wants to sit at a charging station for four hours!

Uh, what? Seriously, I think you slept through the past 5 years. You don't stop and charge for 4 hours anymore - 20 or 30 minutes, long enough to pee and get a soda. Driving 8 hours straight without a break is not safe.

Your 8-hour trip is maybe 9 hours worst case.

You don't overcharge batteries, that is not up to you anymore, it is up to the built-in charger.

There is a reason almost every (including exotic expensive makers) car manufacturer has announced plans to convert to, to include EVs in their line up.

Two Bills 10-01-2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2011498)
Uh, what? Seriously, I think you slept through the past 5 years. You don't stop and charge for 4 hours anymore - 20 or 30 minutes, long enough to pee and get a soda. Driving 8 hours straight without a break is not safe.

Your 8-hour trip is maybe 9 hours worst case.

You don't overcharge batteries, that is not up to you anymore, it is up to the built-in charger.

There is a reason almost every (including exotic expensive makers) car manufacturer has announced plans to convert to, to include EVs in their line up.

...........and most are 300+ miles per charge.

GrumpyOldMan 10-01-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2011511)
...........and most are 300+ miles per charge.

Yes, which is around 5 to 6 hours without a break.

Dana1963 10-01-2021 01:44 PM

If you're so concerned about the electrical grid being upgraded then maybe we should stop building homes in our regional.

JMintzer 10-01-2021 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 2011543)
If you're so concerned about the electrical grid being upgraded then maybe we should stop building homes in our regional.

There is a huge difference between the power draw of a typical single family home and the much higher draw of a Tesla 240 Volt outlet...

Diver Man 10-01-2021 05:53 PM

I have been working in automotive engineering for over 35 years, and with EV cars for the past 8 years. I'm not drinking the "kool-aid " when it comes to EV's. GM has recently released that they do not want you to charge your Bolt EV unintended, and not in a garage, due to recent fires. The fact is , that Tesla makes more money selling carb credits to other manufacturers, and their technology. The other issue with EV's is that the stated range is under perfect conditions, you lose a lot of range in cold weather or very hot weather, due to keeping the battery's heated or cooled, which uses energy,. The battery cost replacement in a bolt t is 8000 dollars. The trucks are another story, when you tow something behind your truck, you lose half your range, and the fact that you need to disconnect your camper, trailer, etc. To charge is not convenient. FMVSS requirements, like defrost, and heat, and other energy hogging issues, also cut down the range. I have driven EV's around a lot of the country, and seldom see the range listed. I know you have regine of the battery's when braking or going down hills, but this does not add a lot of range.We had a storm roll thru the other day, lost power for 4 days, no way of charging your EV at home.I know that EV's are the future, but I will always have a ICE vehicle as my primary driver.

coralway 10-01-2021 06:09 PM

An excellent investment since July 2019

spd2918 10-02-2021 08:03 AM

I will be interested in electric cars when they build more nuke plants to power them. Burning coal to power "green" cars is beyond stupid.

And don't get me started on the carbon credits scam or giving taxpayer funds to purchase luxury cars.

biker1 10-02-2021 09:32 AM

There are currently only two nuclear reactors under construction in the US. I don't see it as growth industry, unfortunately. The percentage of power generated by coal has been dropping partly because natural gas is a better deal. Currently in the US, 40% of electric power comes from natural gas, 20% from coal, 20% from nuclear, and 20% for renewables (wind, hydro, solar). The percentage from coal will probably continue to drop.

Regarding subsides to car buyers, the Government likes to pick winners and losers. There are also subsides for solar panels, almost all of which come from Asia.

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2011789)
I will be interested in electric cars when they build more nuke plants to power them. Burning coal to power "green" cars is beyond stupid.

And don't get me started on the carbon credits scam or giving taxpayer funds to purchase luxury cars.


dtennent 10-02-2021 01:20 PM

I have never seen a story about a horse spontaneously combusting. Come to think of it, they don't require any electricity either. Wow, now if we could only find horse drawn golf carts...


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