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SkBlogW 10-04-2021 05:04 PM

How "The Science" can change in less than 24 hours
 
Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

blueash 10-04-2021 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2012984)
Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2013018)
There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Of course, you realize that some posters have an agenda, it might be an idiotic agenda, but an agenda nonetheless:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The sad part is that there may be some people out there that believe some of the garbage that is spit out on this site

thelegges 10-04-2021 08:21 PM

Since March of 2020, Except for me all my kids, grandchildren, plus my other half spent every holiday, including Christmas, with hundreds of unvaccinated. Plan is to do it again, this Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

GrumpyOldMan 10-04-2021 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2013049)
Since March of 2020, Except for me all my kids, grandchildren, plus my other half spent every holiday, including Christmas, with hundreds of unvaccinated. Plan is to do it again, this Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

That is sad, I wish you luck in your plans.

GrumpyOldMan 10-04-2021 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013026)
Thank you, I couldn't have said it better:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Of course, you realize that some posters have an agenda, it might be an idiotic agenda, but an agenda nonetheless:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The sad part is that there may be some people out there that believe some of the garbage that is spit out on this site

I waited to form an opinion until I read the OP, and having read it, it is my opinion that the post is intended to (I think the kids say this) cast shade on science. Anti-science is rampant and sad. I could be wrong and the poster was honest and sincere and did not have an "implied" comment.

But, considering the history of this site and the strong implication of constantly changing science, I doubt that.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-04-2021 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2013059)
I waited to form an opinion until I read the OP, and having read it, it is my opinion that the post is intended to (I think the kids say this) cast shade on science. Anti-science is rampant and sad. I could be wrong and the poster was honest and sincere and did not have an "implied" comment.

But, considering the history of this site and the strong implication of constantly changing science, I doubt that.

Throw shade, but yeah.

Escape Artist 10-04-2021 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013026)
Thank you, I couldn't have said it better:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Of course, you realize that some posters have an agenda, it might be an idiotic agenda, but an agenda nonetheless:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The sad part is that there may be some people out there that believe some of the garbage that is spit out on this site

I didn't know you were a Fauci fan? :shrug:

jswirs 10-05-2021 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2013058)
That is sad, I wish you luck in your plans.

Sad? That is your opinion. It sounds joyful to me.

I don't need anyone's advice on how I should spend the holidays with my family. I would rather rely on my own common sense and critical thinking, which may be referred to as personal responsibility. Common sense and critical thinking is, IMHO, rapidly diminishing in today's society.
I have successfully and healthfully ascended into my 70's, and I'm not about to change what has gotten me this far.
If other's feel the need to be directed, that's their choice, not mine.

MSchad 10-05-2021 04:23 AM

Don’t understand the division. Vaxed or unvaxed, “science” proves both contract and pass the virus. If you and yours are healthy, enjoy your holidays with your loved ones. If you are sick stay home. Advice we have all followed and passed on for decades.

Challenger 10-05-2021 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2013049)
Since March of 2020, Except for me all my kids, grandchildren, plus my other half spent every holiday, including Christmas, with hundreds of unvaccinated. Plan is to do it again, this Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

Dont forget to put the bullet in chamber #6 before you spin

rrtjp 10-05-2021 05:08 AM

Fauci
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2013081)
Fauci has not been right about anything that he was not wrong first.

On January 21, 2020 Fauci said “Americans Don't Need To Worry About Coronavirus.

On February 8, 2020 Danger of getting coronavirus now is just minusculely low.'

On February 2020 tells the Today Show that there is NO NEED for the public to change their behavior over concern for Coronavirus. This is also around the same time Dr. Fauci begins advising Americans against wearing masks.

On March 9, 2020 Dr. Fauci recommends taking a cruise, tells Forbes Magazine that if you’re healthy, cruise ships are safe.

In May 2012 Fauci states schools should not reopen until a vaccination has widespread use.

Given on what Fauci stated above in just the first few months, a lot more people would be dead if they followed his advice.

As for Fauci being in government for almost 40 years shows more of his incompetence than his successful career. There is not a single researcher or scientist that would take a government job when the private sector offers much greater flexibility and income opportunities.

Agree

swooner 10-05-2021 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2013049)
Since March of 2020, Except for me all my kids, grandchildren, plus my other half spent every holiday, including Christmas, with hundreds of unvaccinated. Plan is to do it again, this Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

Will be looking for your family obits!

jswirs 10-05-2021 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2013058)
That is sad, I wish you luck in your plans.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 2013099)
Dont forget to put the bullet in chamber #6 before you spin

Yes, thank you. And don't you forget to put the bullets in chambers #1 and #6 for the next time you are crossing the street.

Singerlady 10-05-2021 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2012984)
Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

Science is not the truth. Science is finding the truth. When science changes it’s opinion, it didn’t lie to you. It learned more.
-Anonymous-

jswirs 10-05-2021 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swooner (Post 2013108)
Will be looking for your family obits!

That's good! Looking for obits will give you something to do, which is better than living in fear of Covid!

GeriS 10-05-2021 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2013018)
There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

You know nothing of Fauci's history.

GeriS 10-05-2021 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 2013099)
Dont forget to put the bullet in chamber #6 before you spin

What you don't realize is that is exactly what you have done.

Boffin 10-05-2021 06:15 AM

Wokeism
 
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tsmall22204 10-05-2021 06:30 AM

Those who are vaccinated WILL HAVE A NICE CHRISTMAS. those who are not, if still alive, might not be so lucky.

ithos 10-05-2021 06:33 AM

Fauci is self serving publicity hound, a habitual liar and a shill for Big Pharma. And untold thousands have died because of it.

He covered for WHO and the CCP early on when they conducted the sham investigation

He lied when he said COVID was of natural origin.

He lied about Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine despite documented findings from government agencies and renowned health professionals around the world.

Ivermectin, antiviral properties and COVID-19: a possible new mechanism of action - PubMed
Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 - PubMed

And he lied before Congress about funding the Wuhan Lab.

Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

He doesn't have supporters. He has groupies.

Saint Anthony Fauci Prayer Candle Label | Etsy

ChicagoNative 10-05-2021 06:44 AM

Questioning science is science.

Like most of the world, I admired Fauci when this all started, but I’ve come to view him as an ivory tower academician cum politician. His tarnished reputation is his own doing.

JMintzer 10-05-2021 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2013018)
There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

Sorry, but that spin made me dizzy...

I agree, the science did not change, but his message most certainly did... And that's the problem... No consistency in the messaging...

JMintzer 10-05-2021 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singerlady (Post 2013110)
Science is not the truth. Science is finding the truth. When science changes it’s opinion, it didn’t lie to you. It learned more.
-Anonymous-

The science didn't change in 24 hrs, but the message most certainly did...

Ksfirefighter 10-05-2021 06:54 AM

Is gender a science?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2013059)
I waited to form an opinion until I read the OP, and having read it, it is my opinion that the post is intended to (I think the kids say this) cast shade on science. Anti-science is rampant and sad. I could be wrong and the poster was honest and sincere and did not have an "implied" comment.

But, considering the history of this site and the strong implication of constantly changing science, I doubt that.

Is physical gender a science? Or is it ever changing?

lkagele 10-05-2021 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 2013165)
Those who are vaccinated WILL HAVE A NICE CHRISTMAS. those who are not, if still alive, might not be so lucky.

...if still alive... Good grief. A little fear mongering?

lkagele 10-05-2021 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2013170)
Fauci is self serving publicity hound, a habitual liar and a shill for Big Pharma. And untold thousands have died because of it.

He covered for WHO and the CCP early on when they conducted the sham investigation

He lied when he said COVID was of natural origin.

He lied about Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine despite documented findings from government agencies and renowned health professionals around the world.

Ivermectin, antiviral properties and COVID-19: a possible new mechanism of action - PubMed
Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 - PubMed

And he lied before Congress about funding the Wuhan Lab.

Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

He doesn't have supporters. He has groupies.

Saint Anthony Fauci Prayer Candle Label | Etsy

Remember, any attack on Fauci is an attack on science. By my count, you just attacked science 6 times.

MrZero 10-05-2021 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swooner (Post 2013108)
Will be looking for your family obits!

Wow! Such hatred. I can't believe where the country is going. #WTF!

Waltdisney4life 10-05-2021 07:07 AM

Fauci the fake!! He is nothing but Hollywood!

SkBlogW 10-05-2021 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2013170)
Fauci is self serving publicity hound, a habitual liar and a shill for Big Pharma. And untold thousands have died because of it.

He covered for WHO and the CCP early on when they conducted the sham investigation

He lied when he said COVID was of natural origin.

He lied about Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine despite documented findings from government agencies and renowned health professionals around the world.

Ivermectin, antiviral properties and COVID-19: a possible new mechanism of action - PubMed
Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 - PubMed

And he lied before Congress about funding the Wuhan Lab.

Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

He doesn't have supporters. He has groupies.

Saint Anthony Fauci Prayer Candle Label | Etsy

The Fauci groupies are certifiably crazy, the guy funds gain of function research that unleashes a worldwide pandemic and they still defend him.

jbrown132 10-05-2021 07:11 AM

Fauci has never passed a microphone he has not fell in love with. When he first came onto the scene I had respect for him. But as time has gone one it is clear he his a narcissist who cannot get enough attention. As such, everything he says has become suspect and he has lost credibility with many people and when you lose credibility you can no longer be effective.

Joe C. 10-05-2021 07:13 AM

OK OK OK Nobody has even checked to see if Santa has been vaccinated. He visits EVERY HOME on Christmas Eve. .... he could be a "super spreader". Somebody should check with Fauci .....maybe he should be required to get a covid test before going out.

Wyseguy 10-05-2021 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2012984)
Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

What he said must not have polled well.

Beyond The Wall 10-05-2021 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2012984)
Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

He has changed what the science is some many times. That is partially the reason for the confusion. He should be fired

Wyseguy 10-05-2021 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013026)
Thank you, I couldn't have said it better:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Of course, you realize that some posters have an agenda, it might be an idiotic agenda, but an agenda nonetheless:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The sad part is that there may be some people out there that believe some of the garbage that is spit out on this site

Why are the "Just Obey" people so nasty. No one attacked you on this thread, yet you come out attacking others.

Wyseguy 10-05-2021 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2013049)
Since March of 2020, Except for me all my kids, grandchildren, plus my other half spent every holiday, including Christmas, with hundreds of unvaccinated. Plan is to do it again, this Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

Good For them. Live life. Some are so timid and fearful one would think they plan to isolate until a cure for death is found.

Beyond The Wall 10-05-2021 07:28 AM

He did change what he says constantly! He is the highest paid person in federal government. He has dedicated his life to getting rich. His wife is a paid member of the health board. He failed with the AIDS vac. He has fail with WuFlu. He has ZERO credibility !

Ptmckiou 10-05-2021 07:28 AM

Great
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2013018)
There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

NJMike 10-05-2021 07:32 AM

Fauchi and Covid
 
The covid variants will probably continue, real or imagined, until the government has gained complete control over our lives. The final variant will probably be called "Communism".

holger danske 10-05-2021 07:34 AM

taken out of context
 
Fauci: Christmas Comment 'Taken Completely Out of Context' -- 'I Encourage' People to Have Normal Christmas

Glad he cleared that. There was an old saying "The most dangerous place to be in Washington was between Chuck Schumer and a camera." Fauci has replaced Schumer.
Hugh Hewitt asked him last week whether he thought it was time for him to go because so few people still believe or trust him and let a younger person carry the message. He said absolutely not.
Whether you love him or hate him it's clear to me that his expiration date on all things covid has expired.


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