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GrumpyOldMan 10-07-2021 07:32 AM

Pharmacist killed for providing vaccinations
 
There seems to be a growing trend toward violence surrounding the COVID vaccination and masking.

People assaulting restaurant workers for enforcing the restaurants rules - wear masks to enter. Not a singleton event/

Flight attendants assaulted for enforcing the airlines rules - wear masks. Not a singleton event.

And now a person, anti-vaxer, is accused of killing his brother, a pharmacist, to stop him from giving vaccinations.

So far most of the media has not covered this story, so I can't vouch for it's veracity.

"According to the charging documents filed against Burnham related to the Howard County murders, Burnham told another unnamed person that his brother was “killing people with the COVID shot.”

Maryland man allegedly fatally shot his pharmacist brother for ‘killing people’ with the COVID vaccine, court records show - Baltimore Sun

PugMom 10-07-2021 07:35 AM

Omg, the world is going off the deep end. :ohdear:

JMintzer 10-07-2021 07:40 AM

This guy was nutz looong before Covid...

GrumpyOldMan 10-07-2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2014161)
This guy was nutz looong before Covid...

If the story proves to be true, I would agree with you, COVID vaccination is just an excuse. Sadly, it seems to be becoming an excuse for lots of undesirable activities.

JMintzer 10-07-2021 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014175)
If the story proves to be true, I would agree with you, COVID vaccination is just an excuse. Sadly, it seems to be becoming an excuse for lots of undesirable activities.

The B'more Sun is pretty reliable (if not somewhat biased...)

billethkid 10-07-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014175)
If the story proves to be true, I would agree with you, COVID vaccination is just an excuse. Sadly, it seems to be becoming an excuse for lots of undesirable activities.

Covid is the most over used excuse across almost every and any interface of our lives.

No doubt there are some legitimate. However I believe far more are "taking advantage of a crisis".

GrumpyOldMan 10-07-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2014205)
Covid is the most over used excuse across almost every and any interface of our lives.

No doubt there are some legitimate. However I believe far more are "taking advantage of a crisis".

I think the saying is, "Never let a crisis go to waste".

Taltarzac725 10-07-2021 08:41 AM

He would have brought up twinkies if that was still available. Just someone else who is obviously mentally ill trying to justify his violent actions by blaming something else other than his own evil deeds.

GrumpyOldMan 10-07-2021 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2014228)
He would have brought up twinkies if that was still available. Just someone else who is obviously mentally ill trying to justify his violent actions by blaming something else other than his own evil deeds.

I will agree he is mentally ill. I will disagree that he is trying to justify his action by making up something. There is no indication of that in the story. I take it at face value, he believes he was doing the right thing. That doesn't make him sane, that doesn't justify it. It is just the simplest explanation.

Words matter, and there are a lot of inflammatory words flying around everywhere over COVID and masks and vaccinations. When that happens on anything fringe elements and mentally ill act on those inflammatory words, often resulting in unfortunate results.

It is why it is not a good thing when a popular person be they a movie star, a politician, or a blogger uses hate and misinformation to incite people - sometimes they succeed.

davem4616 10-07-2021 09:00 AM

one more reason to use the drive up window at CVS....way too many 'looney tunes' around now

Taltarzac725 10-07-2021 09:03 AM

This sounds more like a Cain and Abel kind of story and not some leader helping people to worship a Golden Calf so to speak.

I'm Popeye! 10-07-2021 09:36 AM

More to this story than it's known, truth will come out.
If CNN pushes it all week long with the bobbing heads, then it's a......

Byte1 10-07-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014149)
There seems to be a growing trend toward violence surrounding the COVID vaccination and masking.

People assaulting restaurant workers for enforcing the restaurants rules - wear masks to enter. Not a singleton event/

Flight attendants assaulted for enforcing the airlines rules - wear masks. Not a singleton event.

And now a person, anti-vaxer, is accused of killing his brother, a pharmacist, to stop him from giving vaccinations.

So far most of the media has not covered this story, so I can't vouch for it's veracity.

"According to the charging documents filed against Burnham related to the Howard County murders, Burnham told another unnamed person that his brother was “killing people with the COVID shot.”

Maryland man allegedly fatally shot his pharmacist brother for ‘killing people’ with the COVID vaccine, court records show - Baltimore Sun

A growing trend? A few isolated incidents. Not even as news worthy as the mass riots and destruction a couple summers ago. But, those riots and destruction were shrugged off as "justified."

Moving on...............

Taltarzac725 10-07-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2014313)
Shrugged off by who lots of arrests and are we including the capital invasion, I I forgot it didn’t happen just a bunch of loving tourists strolling through the capital just wonderful wonderful people

Whole thing reminds me of this book-- The Golden Ass - Wikipedia

GrumpyOldMan 10-07-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2014277)
More to this story than it's known, truth will come out.
If CNN pushes it all week long with the bobbing heads, then it's a......

CNN has not covered it, as far as I know, not at the time of the original post anyway.

So, thanks for bashing CNN, even thought it was/is not involved. Agenda much?

GrumpyOldMan 10-07-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2014290)
A growing trend? A few isolated incidents. Not even as news worthy as the mass riots and destruction a couple summers ago. But, those riots and destruction were shrugged off as "justified."

Moving on...............

Not much here compared to the riot at the capital either, but we have to talk about something while waiting for the next big thing to argue about.

Eg_cruz 10-08-2021 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014149)
There seems to be a growing trend toward violence surrounding the COVID vaccination and masking.

People assaulting restaurant workers for enforcing the restaurants rules - wear masks to enter. Not a singleton event/

Flight attendants assaulted for enforcing the airlines rules - wear masks. Not a singleton event.

And now a person, anti-vaxer, is accused of killing his brother, a pharmacist, to stop him from giving vaccinations.

So far most of the media has not covered this story, so I can't vouch for it's veracity.

"According to the charging documents filed against Burnham related to the Howard County murders, Burnham told another unnamed person that his brother was “killing people with the COVID shot.”

Maryland man allegedly fatally shot his pharmacist brother for ‘killing people’ with the COVID vaccine, court records show - Baltimore Sun

Very unfortunate but our country has been divided by hate for the last 6 years and I don’t see if getting better anytime soon.
We have become so divided that we just stopped listening.
Fix the hate and it will fix the problem.
I am not mad at anyone for their choice to be vax or not…..because it is not my place to tell you what to do with your life, just like it is not your place to tell me.

It sure would be nice if you can have open conversations with out the hate that has divided us.

drgoofy 10-08-2021 05:29 AM

How did the vaccine get so politicized?
 
I really don't understand. Trump pushed for development of the vaccine and Biden ramped up production and made it widely available. Both should be applauded for their efforts to fight the pandemic. What's political about that? I saw golf carts in TV with signs thanking Mr. Trump for the vaccine.

Luggage 10-08-2021 05:43 AM

Somehow I think there was more to this and it was just an excuse for getting rid of his brother, honestly I am more concerned with the school shooting in Texas the other day with a hundreds of gunshots you have in Chicago and Detroit it seems every week.

Andyb 10-08-2021 06:52 AM

So what’s your point? Anti-vaxers are violent people? I guess we forgot about BLM and Antifa riots and violence?

tsmall22204 10-08-2021 06:53 AM

Did you see the picture of the guy that killed his brother? Someone should check to see who else in his family he killed

jimkerr 10-08-2021 06:56 AM

People have lost their minds.

Byte1 10-08-2021 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2014560)
Very unfortunate but our country has been divided by hate for the last 6 years and I don’t see if getting better anytime soon.
We have become so divided that we just stopped listening.
Fix the hate and it will fix the problem.
I am not mad at anyone for their choice to be vax or not…..because it is not my place to tell you what to do with your life, just like it is not your place to tell me.

It sure would be nice if you can have open conversations with out the hate that has divided us.

The idea that Americans "HATE" is ludicrous. The word "hate" is misused and abused. Just because someone does not agree with you does NOT mean that they "hate" anyone. The term "hate" is just used to shut down a discussion. Just like calling someone a racist, of sexist is a means to shut down the conversation.

I am not an "anti-vaxxer" but I do believe in one's right to make a choice regarding their own well being. If they wish to decline the vaccination, so be it. How can anyone judge someone when there is all kinds of stories and studies regarding the dangers of being vaccinated? On the other hand, rushing to be first in line to get the shots when one is in fear should also not be judged.
I have my shots but I doubt (right now) that I will get a booster. And for those that scream that we should do it for other folks, the only person I would consider doing it for is my spouse. I owe no one else, and do not feel responsible for anyone else.

So, quit using the asinine terms like hate, racist, sexist, etc. It does not further a civil discussion.

ithos 10-08-2021 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014341)
Not much here compared to the riot at the capital either, but we have to talk about something while waiting for the next big thing to argue about.

It is interesting that you never mention anything the organized assaults by antifa and BLM such as the months long assault on the Portland Court house. What about the numerous times they pummeled police with bricks in major cities? They also caused billions of dollars in damages and permanent economic decline in many metro neighborhoods. And then they are bailed out by billionaires and politicians.

Organized violence is the tactic of the left wing and you know it but will never acknowledge it. Do you remember all the riot preparations made on November 3? They were not needed because your guy won. Contrast that to the violence in DC at the 2017 Inauguration.

Controversial posts can some times spark meaningful dialogue and sometimes they are just gas lighting. I wish you could distinguish between the two.

SkBlogW 10-08-2021 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014339)

So, thanks for bashing CNN, even thought it was/is not involved. Agenda much?

Says the person who posts a story meant to paint anyone who refuses masks or vaccines as a violent and crazy murderer.

Tens of millions of Americans who have survived covid have stronger and longer lasting immunity than the fully vaccinated. Are they anti vaxers?

85% of the virus expelled by infected individuals is contained in very fine aerosols. Surgical and cloth masks do nothing to stop these aerosols whether they are breathed out or breathed in. It is basic physics. Are people who understand basic physics anti maskers?

SkBlogW 10-08-2021 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014341)
Not much here compared to the riot at the capital either, but we have to talk about something while waiting for the next big thing to argue about.

And not much in the capital riots compared to 100s of BLM riots featuring arson, looting, physical assault, and murder. Agenda much?

tmbozoki@gmail.com 10-08-2021 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2014205)
Covid is the most over used excuse across almost every and any interface of our lives.

No doubt there are some legitimate. However I believe far more are "taking advantage of a crisis".

Excuse #1 every time you run into lack of service...

Waltdisney4life 10-08-2021 07:56 AM

Turn off cnn and abc!!!

ThirdOfFive 10-08-2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014149)
There seems to be a growing trend toward violence surrounding the COVID vaccination and masking.

People assaulting restaurant workers for enforcing the restaurants rules - wear masks to enter. Not a singleton event/

Flight attendants assaulted for enforcing the airlines rules - wear masks. Not a singleton event.

And now a person, anti-vaxer, is accused of killing his brother, a pharmacist, to stop him from giving vaccinations.

So far most of the media has not covered this story, so I can't vouch for it's veracity.

"According to the charging documents filed against Burnham related to the Howard County murders, Burnham told another unnamed person that his brother was “killing people with the COVID shot.”

Maryland man allegedly fatally shot his pharmacist brother for ‘killing people’ with the COVID vaccine, court records show - Baltimore Sun

Let's not forget the hospital and clinic workers who have been assaulted by panicked family members of assumed COVID sufferers because they were not in a position to provide care for loved ones.

This blade cuts both ways.

Welcome to the world of media-induced paranoia.

Marine1974 10-08-2021 08:02 AM

Looting
 
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2014290)
A growing trend? A few isolated incidents. Not even as news worthy as the mass riots and destruction a couple summers ago. But, those riots and destruction were shrugged off as "justified."

Moving on...............

Looting as well , some consider it reparations.
Mayor lightfoot from Chicago said “ let them loot , the insurance companies will pay for it .”
Businesses and residents are leaving the city to the suburbs.

oneclickplus 10-08-2021 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014149)
There seems to be a growing trend toward violence surrounding the COVID vaccination and masking.

People assaulting restaurant workers for enforcing the restaurants rules - wear masks to enter. Not a singleton event/

Flight attendants assaulted for enforcing the airlines rules - wear masks. Not a singleton event.

And now a person, anti-vaxer, is accused of killing his brother, a pharmacist, to stop him from giving vaccinations.

So far most of the media has not covered this story, so I can't vouch for it's veracity.

"According to the charging documents filed against Burnham related to the Howard County murders, Burnham told another unnamed person that his brother was “killing people with the COVID shot.”

Maryland man allegedly fatally shot his pharmacist brother for ‘killing people’ with the COVID vaccine, court records show - Baltimore Sun

Well, when the government is forcing the vaccine on freedom-loving Americans under penalty of career, job, ability to function in society ... you have to EXPECT that some will respond like this. While that will never be my response to others being vax'd, I do understand the sentiment. If someone came to my door attempting to force the vaccine into MY arm, they will suffer from lead poisoning. What this man did was wrong - it was not self defense. Let's just wait and see how the world looks in the next 12-18 months.

I'm in Maryland at the moment and the story is indeed true. Surprised at this? Not at all. If the government keeps pushing, people will push back. Not everyone will react the same but don't expect meek compliance.

ThirdOfFive 10-08-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2014676)
Well, when the government is forcing the vaccine on freedom-loving Americans under penalty of career, job, ability to function in society ... you have to EXPECT that some will respond like this. While that will never be my response to others being vax'd, I do understand the sentiment. If someone came to my door attempting to force the vaccine into MY arm, they will suffer from lead poisoning. What this man did was wrong - it was not self defense. Let's just wait and see how the world looks in the next 12-18 months.

I'm in Maryland at the moment and the story is indeed true. Surprised at this? Not at all. If the government keeps pushing, people will push back. Not everyone will react the same but don't expect meek compliance.

Indeed.

People ARE pushing back, but on an individual level and through court actions. But we'll never read about that, especially in any paper (won't mention any names here) whose idea of presenting national "news" is running AP screeds.

GrumpyOldMan 10-08-2021 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2014560)
Very unfortunate but our country has been divided by hate for the last 6 years and I don’t see if getting better anytime soon.
We have become so divided that we just stopped listening.
Fix the hate and it will fix the problem.
I am not mad at anyone for their choice to be vax or not…..because it is not my place to tell you what to do with your life, just like it is not your place to tell me.

It sure would be nice if you can have open conversations with out the hate that has divided us.

Execellent post, so out of place here...

GrumpyOldMan 10-08-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2014618)
So what’s your point? Anti-vaxers are violent people? I guess we forgot about BLM and Antifa riots and violence?

If this was directed at me, my point was/is that violence is increasing, and while the violence is probably mostly by "crazies", it is triggered by a lot of anger discourse.

GrumpyOldMan 10-08-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 2014619)
Did you see the picture of the guy that killed his brother? Someone should check to see who else in his family he killed

If you read the story, you know he is charged with killing several other people also.

GrumpyOldMan 10-08-2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2014629)
The idea that Americans "HATE" is ludicrous. The word "hate" is misused and abused. Just because someone does not agree with you does NOT mean that they "hate" anyone. The term "hate" is just used to shut down a discussion. Just like calling someone a racist, of sexist is a means to shut down the conversation.

I am not an "anti-vaxxer" but I do believe in one's right to make a choice regarding their own well being. If they wish to decline the vaccination, so be it. How can anyone judge someone when there is all kinds of stories and studies regarding the dangers of being vaccinated? On the other hand, rushing to be first in line to get the shots when one is in fear should also not be judged.
I have my shots but I doubt (right now) that I will get a booster. And for those that scream that we should do it for other folks, the only person I would consider doing it for is my spouse. I owe no one else, and do not feel responsible for anyone else.

So, quit using the asinine terms like hate, racist, sexist, etc. It does not further a civil discussion.

I think you make a lot of good points here. But, your statement implies that there is no hate, and that is not accurate.

Here is a sign I saw on the way home from town just the other day, it seems to reflect pure hate to me. Just what it is that they hate is fairly clear, the segment of our society that disagrees with them. (or that they disagree with).

GrumpyOldMan 10-08-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2014676)
Well, when the government is forcing the vaccine on freedom-loving Americans under penalty of career, job, ability to function in society ... you have to EXPECT that some will respond like this. While that will never be my response to others being vax'd, I do understand the sentiment. If someone came to my door attempting to force the vaccine into MY arm, they will suffer from lead poisoning. What this man did was wrong - it was not self defense. Let's just wait and see how the world looks in the next 12-18 months.

I'm in Maryland at the moment and the story is indeed true. Surprised at this? Not at all. If the government keeps pushing, people will push back. Not everyone will react the same but don't expect meek compliance.

Several things.

1. The government forces vaccinations all the time, that way they save millions of lives - measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, et al. And no one kills their pediatrician.

2. NO I do not expect civilized intelligent American's to kill each other because one of them is trying to help people get protection from a pandemic.

3. Killing your brother because you disagree with their politics. That is your recommendation?

Sounds like advocacy of violence, I assume that is not what you are advocating?

ThirdOfFive 10-08-2021 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014699)
Several things.

1. The government forces vaccinations all the time, that way they save millions of lives - measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, et al. And no one kills their pediatrician.

2. NO I do not expect civilized intelligent American's to kill each other because one of them is trying to help people get protection from a pandemic.

3. Killing your brother because you disagree with their politics. That is your recommendation?

Sounds like advocacy of violence, I assume that is not what you are advocating?

The Federal government is not in the business of mandating vaccines. See below. The vaccinations referred to in Point #1 of the quoted post all refer to STATE-mandated vaccines.

"States have long had the constitutional authority to mandate vaccinations, which the Supreme Court has upheld twice, first in 1905 and then in 1922. The federal government, however, has limited power to mandate vaccines. It can only require them to prevent transmission of a dangerous infectious disease across state lines or international borders. The federal government has never sought to require nationwide vaccinations, and the courts probably would not allow it." (Scientific American, August 5, 2021)

The issue is not the efficacy of the vaccines(s) in question. The issue is Federal government overreach, which in the end will only be settled by the SCOTUS. My guess is that SCOTUS will confirm that it is a states-rights issue and that the Federal government has no business trying to mandate COVID vaccine or any other vaccine for that matter.

Petersweeney 10-08-2021 09:02 AM

Cuomo did it

GrumpyOldMan 10-08-2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2014705)
The Federal government is not in the business of mandating vaccines. See below. The vaccinations referred to in Point #1 of the quoted post all refer to STATE-mandated vaccines.

"States have long had the constitutional authority to mandate vaccinations, which the Supreme Court has upheld twice, first in 1905 and then in 1922. The federal government, however, has limited power to mandate vaccines. It can only require them to prevent transmission of a dangerous infectious disease across state lines or international borders. The federal government has never sought to require nationwide vaccinations, and the courts probably would not allow it." (Scientific American, August 5, 2021)

The issue is not the efficacy of the vaccines(s) in question. The issue is Federal government overreach, which in the end will only be settled by the SCOTUS. My guess is that SCOTUS will confirm that it is a states-rights issue and that the Federal government has no business trying to mandate COVID vaccine or any other vaccine for that matter.

Semantics, unless you are suggesting another civil war to resettle the states vs federal authority.

And it would seem you are advocating murdering your brother if you disagree with his politics.

And last, this action was not a states rights protest, the shooter claims to have murdered his brother for trying to help people. There is NO federal mandate to be vaccinated, the closest that comes is the feds suggesting companies do it. The ONLY mandate the feds have put in place is for federal employees.

So, your reply doesn't seem to apply to this shooting, unless your point is that the president suggesting businesses require vaccinations is illegal, and this shooter was exercising his "RIGHTS" by stopping his brother for obeying a non-existent law?


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