Again, and again, and again
 

Tulsa, OK, hospital, 4 killed.....what is the answer to these Killings

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

:boom:

And do you have any suggestions for how to accomplish that? Because, while most people will agree those would be wonderful things to do, it doesn't help the walking dead people that will be murdered next week, and those the next week, etc etc etc.

We need suggestions of actions we can take now to help the situation.

The above is all true. The people who destroyed society in the first place now claim to be able to solve this problem. They are sickening.

Violent movies, violent video games, kids today are desensitized, blood and guts mean nothing to them.

It has been proven that the majority of these incidents are copycat. These two quotes are excerpted from Center4Research (Alex Pew, Lauren Goldbeck, Caroline Halsted, and Diana Zuckerman, PhD, National Center for Health Research)

"Studies indicate that the more media attention a shooter gets, the more likely the event will inspire a future mass shooter...

"As long as the media continue to focus their news stories on the attacker, it is likely that these copycats will continue.[13] Dr. Adam Lankford of the University of Alabama has conducted several key studies of the media coverage of mass shootings and the motivations of the shooters. For example, he found that between 2010 and 2017, some mass shooters got more media attention in the month following the attack than the most famous celebrities, such as Brad Pitt."

Media have been hyperbolizing over what Salvator Ramos did in Texas nonstop since it happened. Information, misinformation and disinformation have been assailing us night and day. We've had pictures of teddy bears and weeping parents popping up ad nauseam. Pundits and political types have been commandeering any and every microphone and/or camera they can find to contribute their two cents' worth.

It doesn't take much for this kind of national hysteria to set off some alienated kid or adult with imaginary axes to grind and motivate him to seek the same kind of national attention, in the same kind of way, as the shooter(s) at Columbine, Uvalde, etc. did it. Yet we continue shriek our horror day and night. And all we're doing is adding fuel to the fire.

There is news, and there is hysteria. News informs. Hysteria motivates, often motivating the precise kind of people who would consider doing these types of things. Yet we continue to eat it up, and demand more of it.

How much responsibility do WE share?

Well said!!!! Bravo!!! :bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Excellent!

I'd add one thing. Respect.

And I'd remove 1 thing---defiance (of everything---parents, police, government, etc.)

To expand on No. 7, people with long criminal records should be in prison, not on the streets.

Add one, serial killers if convicted put to death.

Bingo !

Spot on but some in our society don't want to openly admit it.

#8 - get rid of social media

Well said and I agree with you 100%

A study of mass shooters:

Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention? - POLITICO

you are on social media?

Your correct, TOTV is the only social media I have ever used. So far, no wack job mass murders have sought out instant rock star status through TOTV “old retired people” media. And despite a lot of complaining, no one has gone postal over dog poop, bad parking, poor golf conditions, increased happy hour prices, or having to share the MMP’s with various users.

Avocado did go postal over the Property Tax increase.

:1rotfl:

And then disappeared. Johnny One Note?????????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

We would have to stop the world and restart again to accomplish this.

Don't know about any of you people, but I'm a senior citizen looking for my eternal life
someplace else.

Wrong, as with anything............to move forward, you have to take a first step.

Naaaa, he didn’t kill anyone, he just got more upset than most.

See, some of us consider that moving backward not forward. As with many things moving forward can be painful. The industrial revolution was the start of all the things listed, should we return to pre-industrialization? That was a lovely bucolic time.

Problem is...how do you get back to this??

Can't change the divorce rate, with the current divorce rate you'll always
have a one parent home.

And in my opinion with such high divorce rate leads to trophy for all....bc the one parent household is always competing against the other parent, daddy got you this...well I'm gonna get you this better thing. In addition their is resulting guilt that the child is hurting mentally from the split...hence the trophy isssue...Oh no, you did great, you're the best, you made an excellent effort, heres a trophy.

Religion issue...well that's a tough one. I do believe, yes allot pulled away in almost defiance, but things within the catholic church was a major factor.

Yea, respect...well we all know that starts at home. Here's a conundrum...my grandkids are allowed to sit at the dining room chair with their feet on the seat, drives me nuts...at my house when they sit on a counter stool that way....its not allowed..."get you feet off the seat".....you can not imagine the looks....first the grandkids at me....mean grandma...then over to their parent, like I'm speaking another language...then the parent will "explain " well, they are used to doing......
I dont really care....
Anyway, sorry to go on...but I guess we gotta get the feet out of the seat...so to speak.

Well, I wish we could live the world ElDiabloJoe suggests, but here's a couple of things we could actually do now.

1. Re-open the insane asylums and make it possible to once again commit dangerous lunatics, like we used to do back before we had mass-murders by dangerous lunatics every other month.

2. Make Big Tech apply the same powerful algorithms they use to detect people pointing out that the Covid Vaccines don't work, to detecting the ravings of the next murderous lunatic, as he documents in detail on-line his plans to commit mass murder.

Just a couple of alternative common-sense ideas, since everyone seems to have a "common sense" plan these days to remove 400 million guns, which might be a little more difficult than simply locking up the lunatics.

Nonsense.
Congrats.................................the worst post of 2022 award.

I agree with No. 1. But, I don't see how your No. 2 would acccomplish much unless you are going to deny people their legal due process. I don't like red flag laws because they allow people, who are not part of the justice system, to take away legal rights without any due process. They take away your rights, and then you are guilty until you can prove that you are innocent.

The problem with "common sense" ideas is that there will never be universal agreement on what constitutes common sense, especially in today's world.

Funny, no mention of the guns used. Like that is not part of the problem?

We can discuss this over and over until the cows come home and not sure what will ever be accomplished.

It's not, unless you are referring to those guns that float through the air until they get to a school or movie and then fire themselves.

With respect to point #2 ) In the 1960s and prior years, couples had large numbers of children because infant mortality was high - many children did not make it to adulthood. Today medical science has changed and many couples have one or two children. With fewer children to supervise and cook for, the woman has more time to work and have a useful career. She is not "barefoot and pregnant" as often due to improved medical science.
........In the 1960s and prior years, the US middle class was one of the strongest in the world. Today the US middle class is one of the weakest in the 1st world. Today the US has the 1st world's greatest wealth disparity between rich and
poor with little or no middle class. That causes the need for BOTH parents to work. So, today couples do NOT have the luxury of a "stay-at-home parent". They wish that they did.
........In the 1960s and prior years, labor unions were strong and insured that workers got FAIR wages for their work plus hospitalization and other benefits. Today labor unions are practically nonexistent, which means that BOTH parents MUST work in any family in the bottom 80% of US society.
........In about the 1980s, outsourcing to 1st the US South, then Mexico, and now today to China - has caused a
further decrease in worker's wages, further wealth disparity, further destruction of the middle class, and further tearing of the US social fabric - which has resulted in increased suicides, increased drug addiction, increased crime, increased proliferation of man-killing long guns and pistols, and finally increased MASS MURDERS.

It might be NICE to know exactly WHO are these people that have destroyed society? And WHEN and HOW did they accomplish this HUGE undertaking.? And are other 1st world democratic nations affected or NOT? AS is - there is NO meat on those bare bones.

There are that many killed EVERY weekend in Philadelphia, Chicago, New York.
I don’t recall you starting a thread for them.

In the 23 weeks since 1/1, philadelphia has had more than 200 homicides.

Almost (if not all of them) have been committed by prohibited possessors and probably illegal guns.

We may never be able to agree on "common sense", but maybe we could agree on "do-able".

There are 400 million "assault rifles" in private hands, but only a few thousand potential mass murderers. Removing either from society would require a constitutional amendment, or what we usually do -- simply ignore the Constitution. The obvious choice seems like simple math.

The beauty of it is, the lunatics actually use Big Tech to tell us who they are -- if we could just get Big Tech to imagine that an 18-year old kid who says he's going to use his new AR to murder his grandma and then shoot up the grade school down the street is at least as dangerous as a Mom who doesn't want to shoot up her kid with a vaccine that doesn't appear to actually prevent people from getting Covid!

But if you say that's not "common sense", I guess I'm out of ideas.

That IS possibly true. But, it is happening that way in ALL other G-7 countries and they do NOT have a significant GUN problem like the US does.

#9 eliminate TV channels that spew propaganda and hate!

Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC?????

Protect the status of the "experts" who have taken us here in the name of a better society , suggesting going back to preindustrial era avoids the point

quit saying it is a mental health issue. lives should not depend on some mental person, forgetting to take his or her pill in the morning.....they belong in jail.