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jimkerr 11-01-2022 08:02 PM

Homeless people showering at the dog park
 
Today, while at the dog park, 3 people came in to use the hose to shower. I called Community Watch and they were not interested in assisting. They wanted me to call the police. That's useless because they come and go before the police can show up.

I took pictures and video but Community Watch didn't seem to care. Is this something we have to put up with? On a positive note, they didn't beg for money.

manaboutown 11-01-2022 08:03 PM

Uh-oh... Broken windows theory - Wikipedia

tophcfa 11-01-2022 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jimkerr (Post 2153461)
Today, while at the dog park, 3 people came in to use the hose to shower. I called Community Watch and they were not interested in assisting. They wanted me to call the police. That's useless because they come and go before the police can show up.

I took pictures and video but Community Watch didn't seem to care. Is this something we have to put up with? On a positive note, they didn't beg for money.

Hopefully they used some flea shampoo and are current on their hookworm medication! Did you toss them a couple of milk bones?

Taltarzac725 11-01-2022 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimkerr (Post 2153461)
Today, while at the dog park, 3 people came in to use the hose to shower. I called Community Watch and they were not interested in assisting. They wanted me to call the police. That's useless because they come and go before the police can show up.

I took pictures and video but Community Watch didn't seem to care. Is this something we have to put up with? On a positive note, they didn't beg for money.

How do you know they were/are homeless? I see various kinds of workers use the closest pool restrooms or others rather often. Maybe some workers got very dirty and needed washing up.

LAFwUs 11-01-2022 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimkerr (Post 2153461)
Today, while at the dog park, 3 people came in to use the hose to shower. I called Community Watch and they were not interested in assisting. They wanted me to call the police. That's useless because they come and go before the police can show up.

I took pictures and video but Community Watch didn't seem to care. Is this something we have to put up with? On a positive note, they didn't beg for money.

what dog park OP?
can you post the pics here?

We are seeing plenty of them down on the south end near the turnpike.

Previous TOTV thread regarding the small "encampment" that was discovered near Chitty Chatty got some traction and several other resident reports, before it was (intentionally) derailed over semantics of what constitutes an "encampment".
Sheriffs office & Community Watch promised immediate action, if it was reported to them.
**In fact, pass down instruction was specifically to contact Community Watch 24/7 #number, due to varying jurisdictional issues.
If you feel they were in fact homeless utilizing facilities here (and not possibly, workers, landscapers, etc as mentioned), then I'd strongly suggest you follow up on the lack of interest/response with the CW head staff, because that is not how its is to be handled - per statements by CW themselves.

manaboutown 11-01-2022 10:46 PM

Homeless trespassers are like cockroaches, you may see a few but there are many unseen and unnoticed. Their numbers explode if not stopped.

kitnhead 11-02-2022 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2153495)
How do you know they were/are homeless? I see various kinds of workers use the closest pool restrooms or others rather often. Maybe some workers got very dirty and needed washing up.

If they are simply workers, then that will be discovered through the right channels (sheriffs, etc). This should be reported and I’m very glad the OP took pics.
We had a church in our former city that let the homeless sleep in their yard. Next thing you knew, they were right in front of our house and a home break-in at another residence resulted in a small dog being intentionally injured. It simply cannot be tolerated.

Debra Freeman 11-02-2022 04:36 AM

Where is your compassion? It was a shower they wanted; not a pint of your blood.

LivingOnSunshine 11-02-2022 04:44 AM

OP: What dog park was this at?

All the dog parks are private property owned by The Villages.
And they are DOG PARKS not community showers.
ANY person using the park without a resident or guest ID is trespassing.

Call the police. They’ll respond as quickly as community watch would have.
Also call the main number for the CDD (352) 751-3939 - let them know what’s happening/where.

Carlsondm 11-02-2022 04:47 AM

Where is your compassion. It is hot in Florida. Did you ask if they were overheating or ok? As a runner I appreciate the water placed around the villages for us. If they do it frequently, then I would ask if they are ok and what village they are from. You may be surprised.

LuvNH 11-02-2022 05:02 AM

Two replies showing compassion for those less fortunate. What a sad state of affairs, is this what America is becoming?

augustnotes 11-02-2022 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlsondm (Post 2153515)
Where is your compassion. It is hot in Florida. Did you ask if they were overheating or ok? As a runner I appreciate the water placed around the villages for us. If they do it frequently, then I would ask if they are ok and what village they are from. You may be surprised.

My gosh at least one person spoke the truth.... where is your compassion? We all want to turn a blind eye on the homeless as it's not our problem. Call the police to get them removed.... do you every think that they may need help. I hope when Jesus looks into the people hearts that have disdain for the homeless that He does not find disdain for them. Who did Jesus look for to help? It was not the Pharisees, but the down trodden and the weak. What do we do as a society? Are we like the Pharisees and walk by with indifference to THOSE people. The best we can come up with is to call the authorities to get THOSE kind of people removed from our sight. Shame on you. Oh and yes there will be people tell me that there are places the homeless can go and get help, but isn't it each individuals responsible to help our neighbor? Jesus said to love your neighbor as your self. And who is your neighbor, I say anyone you meet is your neighbor. I am sure I will get a lot of hate mail for posting this, but come on people, step off your high horse and say thank you God that I am able to help the less fortunate.

Toymeister 11-02-2022 05:43 AM

This video, which is written and reported on by compassionate people in a VERY compassionate city, show the results of compassion. The documentary is well worth your time. In addition to highlighting the results of being very compassionate it also offers a solution.
https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw

Remembergoldenrule 11-02-2022 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Debra Freeman (Post 2153513)
Where is your compassion? It was a shower they wanted; not a pint of your blood.


You have been in the bubble too long. Think summer of love and look at Seattle now. Look at San Francisco and what happen to Mr Pelosi by homeless illegal drug addict. Most people here are escaping ruin home state because of misplaced compassion. Yes, give time and talent to professional agencies that want to help lift up people out of circumstances (my family was homeless once), but don’t allow those who choose to live that life style to break laws and take over or you won’t have anywhere else to flee.

jimbomaybe 11-02-2022 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2153522)
What's your addy, we can send them over.

Here we go again the last thread had people who have had experience dealing with this issue , and they related that these people cannot be helped, they have mental problems, personality disorders that can not be addressed, they are not a "clear and present danger to themselves or others and so cannot be institutionalized,, "give a man a fish, you feed him for one day , teach him to fish and feed him for life " these people will not fish or cut bait

RiderOnTheStorm 11-02-2022 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2153550)
Yes, by all means, let's show "compassion"
Let's build state of the art showers and restrooms, let's get a gourmet food kitchen. Let's advertise it nationally so we can show "compassion" to all the homeless.
What is being suggested would be ideal in a Utopian society, but in the real world, showing that type of "compassion" to these people is simply naive. But if that's what some people want, they should buy land in Wyoming and start a homeless ranch. (My apologies to the citizens of Wyoming)

Wow! Can't believe I am hearing such aggression against a few people down on their luck. Everyone has a history, and I bet theirs was a history of great misfortune that none of us would ever want to experience. Consider yourselves very fortunate. There but for the grace of God ....

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2153555)
Wow! Can't believe I am hearing such aggression against a few people down on their luck. Everyone has a history, and I bet theirs was a history of great misfortune that none of us would ever want to experience. Consider yourselves very fortunate. There but for the grace of God ....

The overwhelming majority of these people are NOT "down on their luck". I'd be the first person to contribute to those that lost their home in Ian, or lost their job to COVID and only want to get a new job and new home and work to earn it. (and I have). Most of these people are only temporarily homeless since they seek out the help they need and work to get back on their feet. This is more of a "hand up" than a "hand out"

The majority are either mentally ill, drug/alcohol addicted, or have chosen that lifestyle. And as a society we have enabled them when we closed down the large institutions and allowed them "freedom to choose". This was about the equivalent of letting your 3 year old play with matches inside your house.

How many more people that have worked with the homeless do people need to hear from? How many more examples of cities overrun by the homeless do they need to see?
This is why most of us don't want them in our community, and we can do without an army of do-gooders and social workers as well.

Worldseries27 11-02-2022 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by augustnotes (Post 2153527)
my gosh at least one person spoke the truth.... Where is your compassion? We all want to turn a blind eye on the homeless as it's not our problem. Call the police to get them removed.... Do you every think that they may need help. I hope when jesus looks into the people hearts that have disdain for the homeless that he does not find disdain for them. Who did jesus look for to help? It was not the pharisees, but the down trodden and the weak. What do we do as a society? Are we like the pharisees and walk by with indifference to those people. The best we can come up with is to call the authorities to get those kind of people removed from our sight. Shame on you. Oh and yes there will be people tell me that there are places the homeless can go and get help, but isn't it each individuals responsible to help our neighbor? Jesus said to love your neighbor as your self. And who is your neighbor, i say anyone you meet is your neighbor. I am sure i will get a lot of hate mail for posting this, but come on people, step off your high horse and say thank you god that i am able to help the less fortunate.

amen

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by augustnotes (Post 2153527)
My gosh at least one person spoke the truth.... where is your compassion? We all want to turn a blind eye on the homeless as it's not our problem. Call the police to get them removed.... do you every think that they may need help. I hope when Jesus looks into the people hearts that have disdain for the homeless that He does not find disdain for them. Who did Jesus look for to help? It was not the Pharisees, but the down trodden and the weak. What do we do as a society? Are we like the Pharisees and walk by with indifference to THOSE people. The best we can come up with is to call the authorities to get THOSE kind of people removed from our sight. Shame on you. Oh and yes there will be people tell me that there are places the homeless can go and get help, but isn't it each individuals responsible to help our neighbor? Jesus said to love your neighbor as your self. And who is your neighbor, I say anyone you meet is your neighbor. I am sure I will get a lot of hate mail for posting this, but come on people, step off your high horse and say thank you God that I am able to help the less fortunate.

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2153562)
amen

Yes, "Amen"

Why?????-----Because if these people show up in large numbers we'll all need to start praying.....

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:18 AM

Wow...maybe it was a worker but if it was someone that was homeless it did not hurt anyone for them to use the hose... Hopefully none you know is ever homeless. the last couple of years many have lost so much so giving them a little water does not hurt anyone.

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:19 AM

wow was that meant to be funny....

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:21 AM

I don't think using a hose is using the facilities...be kind to people who are in need. Does not sound like they hurt anyone.

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:22 AM

Cockroaches....Wow they are humans they be on hard times...you don't know their story.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cynjim (Post 2153565)
Wow...maybe it was a worker but if it was someone that was homeless it did not hurt anyone for them to use the hose... Hopefully none you know is ever homeless. the last couple of years many have lost so much so giving them a little water does not hurt anyone.

So, we should condone trespassing as long as it is just for "a little water"? Look at all the posts from people who have worked with the homeless, from those who lived in cities they had to escape from. Ask yourself, what else can happen? Where do these people relieve themselves, where do they have intimate interactions? On the streets----in some places, yes. Someone said, "it's not a pint of blood they're taking". But most of them would, and more, if given the chance.

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:24 AM

Wow... kindness in using a water hose never hurt anyone.

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:24 AM

That you someone with compassion

ithos 11-02-2022 06:25 AM

It will only get worse as the cartel has operational control of much of our southern border so they can flood our country with an unlimited supply of fentanyl and other drugs.

If the homeless addicts want to get clean then the state should have a program. Otherwise stay out of my neighborhood and don't camp out on public spaces. Enabling them is very short sighted and not in their best interest.

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:28 AM

compassion
 
Not sure where the compassion has gone from TV anymore but I am sure if they had donated blood to a blood bank to receive a meal the people that are complaining about them would would take their blood if they needed it and yet they are worried about them taking a little water from a hose...sad

cynjim 11-02-2022 06:29 AM

your title says it all....bully She has compassion but it seems you don't. They were using a little water from a hose...they didn't hurt anyone.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cynjim (Post 2153579)
Not sure where the compassion has gone from TV anymore but I am sure if they had donated blood to a blood bank to receive a meal the people that are complaining about them would would take their blood if they needed it and yet they are worried about them taking a little water from a hose...sad

Sorry, but what I think is really sad are those that want to make a nice, comfy home for them right here in "River City"-----which would give us a much bigger problem than "pool" (Robert Preston, The Music Man)

It's no different than the conclusion of various threads on theft here----make it difficult for the thief and they'll find an easier target. Let's not make The Villages and easy target.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cynjim (Post 2153580)
your title says it all....bully She has compassion but it seems you don't. They were using a little water from a hose...they didn't hurt anyone.

So, in other words, their criminal trespassing was a "victimless" crime, so it's OK?

Rainger99 11-02-2022 06:42 AM

We should consider designating a single Village for those people who want to help feed and help the homeless and mentally ill.

You couldn’t live there unless you agreed to assist the homeless whenever they stopped by so it would have to be a new Village. It would be part of the deed restrictions.

We could call it Utopia and it could be advertised as the place for homeless to go looking for handouts.

DeeCee Dubya 11-02-2022 06:51 AM

Great analogy.

ThirdOfFive 11-02-2022 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2153583)
Sorry, but what I think is really sad are those that want to make a nice, comfy home for them right here in "River City"-----which would give us a much bigger problem than "pool" (Robert Preston, The Music Man)

It's no different than the conclusion of various threads on theft here----make it difficult for the thief and they'll find an easier target. Let's not make The Villages and easy target.

Spot on.

Back before we moved here, we lived in a town in Minnesota of about 30,000 people about an hour's drive from Minneapolis - St. Paul. There were homeless in our town; not many, but they were there. We showed compassion: churches took turns cooking so that there was one free, healthy meal provided per day, usually at about 5:00 PM. A local athletic facility allowed them to use the showers at certain designated times. They could use the food shelves. Churches also arranged for clothing donations to be given to them. Reports were that some of them utilized a couple of abandoned buildings for shelter; the law mostly looked the other way. It made sense. Minnesota isn't bad during the summer months but there is 5-6 months of winter weather up there and it can get pretty rough living outside.

We began noticing, however, that the numbers of people at the free meals were increasing. Panhandling started occurring, and some of the panhandlers were quite verbally aggressive about it. Shoplifting, and theft (including break-ins) were increasing. There were squabbles among the homeless as well, one of them knifing another over some dispute or other. Word had it that the reputation for compassion shown to the homeless in our little town had spread to other towns--homeless people have phones too, and contrary to some belief they DO travel. It was the "Portland effect" in miniature. We moved before anything concrete was done about it so I have no idea what the situation is there today.

This is what "compassion" for the homeless gets you. I've seen it firsthand and I definitely don't want it here in TV.

jimkerr 11-02-2022 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAFwUs (Post 2153500)
what dog park OP?
can you post the pics here?

We are seeing plenty of them down on the south end near the turnpike.

Previous TOTV thread regarding the small "encampment" that was discovered near Chitty Chatty got some traction and several other resident reports, before it was (intentionally) derailed over semantics of what constitutes an "encampment".
Sheriffs office & Community Watch promised immediate action, if it was reported to them.
**In fact, pass down instruction was specifically to contact Community Watch 24/7 #number, due to varying jurisdictional issues.
If you feel they were in fact homeless utilizing facilities here (and not possibly, workers, landscapers, etc as mentioned), then I'd strongly suggest you follow up on the lack of interest/response with the CW head staff, because that is not how its is to be handled - per statements by CW themselves.

Rupert. Yes, I’ll be following up with the rec dept.

jimkerr 11-02-2022 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cynjim (Post 2153579)
Not sure where the compassion has gone from TV anymore but I am sure if they had donated blood to a blood bank to receive a meal the people that are complaining about them would would take their blood if they needed it and yet they are worried about them taking a little water from a hose...sad

What’s your address and phone number? I’ll send them to your home.

Caymus 11-02-2022 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2153595)

This is what "compassion" for the homeless gets you. I've seen it firsthand and I definitely don't want it here in TV.

We call it being a "sucker".

asianthree 11-02-2022 07:15 AM

Today’s entertainment…..bash other posters for their thoughts, compassion, or ugly comments to others:rant-rave:

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2153607)
Today’s entertainment…..bash other posters for their thoughts, compassion, or ugly comments to others:rant-rave:

Not just today..........:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

ThirdOfFive 11-02-2022 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2153606)
We call it being a "sucker".

In so many words.

Happens a lot when emotion triumphs over reason.


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