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Denbal82 12-11-2022 08:25 AM

My Experience with a Village real estate agent.
 
I listed my home with a Village real estate agent named Debbie Sander in August. From the start, my service from her was substandard.

In the beginning and talking with her in person, I asked her to send me a copy of the signed agreement. She never did. I asked again and she sends me a blank one. I finally got a signed one after a few calls.

Early on, I had to text her something important about the house and then days go by (or a week) and no response. I had to actually go to my open house just to talk to her. She told me her phone was "broken."

As the weeks go on, I emailed her, text her and left messages on her phone and no response. She did call me a week later about something else but never addressed my questions I emailed her about earlier. She said she must have gotten back to me and said she'll look at her phone logs. I told her I have phone logs as well and she changed the subject. She was also supposed to send me a contact name for a person regarding a small project around the house, you guessed it !- it never happened.

On one occasion, her assistant emailed me at 2:47pm saying I have a showing at 2:30pm that same day. Luckily, I left the house hours ahead for an appointment. Also her assistant emailed me on a Monday about something unimportant and then telling me to have a nice weekend. Ditzy?

On December 2nd, I left a voice mail with Debbie Sander saying i have something important to say and to call me back ASAP. To this day, I haven't heard from her. I since met with the Villages Sales Office manager and learned that Debbie had lied to me about sales statistics. I have now continued the listing contract with another Village realtor. If this original (long) 6 month contract expires, I will go with a MLS agent.

I'm sure many of you had pleasant experiences with her but, I just wanted to share mine and relay some information about her to help anyone make a discission if listing their home with a Village realtor. In my opinion, I don't think she's 100% coherent. Plus, I always wondered about a realtor using their High School picture on their business cards when you're in your sixties.

Bay Kid 12-11-2022 08:39 AM

I would send this complaint to her boss. That will get results.

retiredguy123 12-11-2022 08:41 AM

I have not listed a house with The Villages. However, when I have listed a house, the maximum listing contract I would agree to was 90 days. And, the contract would include a clause that said, if I lose confidence in the agent or broker, I can fire them at any time. The Villages has some good, experienced agents. Your listing contract is with The Villages, not the individual agent. Also, when listing a house for sale, I always wanted to know the names of the top selling agents in the brokerage. Why not use the best?

manaboutown 12-11-2022 08:57 AM

Why not file a complaint with the state's regulatory department?

Here is their form.

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr.../re-2200-1.pdf

JohnN 12-11-2022 09:12 AM

We had a substandard agent when we bought here. We contacted The Villages and asked for a different agent, no problem.
Rather than reporting to the attorney general, etc etc. why not take a deep breath and forget it , don't let it bother you. Release.
I'm sure she doesn't care.

pauld315 12-11-2022 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2165316)
Why not file a complaint with the state's regulatory department?

Here is their form.

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr.../re-2200-1.pdf

My understanding is that Villages "realtors" do not necessarily have to have a real estate license. They do not use MLS and they are contractors contracted to TV.

Denbal82 12-11-2022 09:28 AM

Thanks for the reply. I always heard the houses sell very fast here so I didn't think about the 90 day term and any stipulations to add. I now learned.



Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2165305)
I have not listed a house with The Villages. However, when I have listed a house, the maximum listing contract I would agree to was 90 days. And, the contract would include a clause that said, if I lose confidence in the agent or broker, I can fire them at any time. The Villages has some good, experienced agents. Your listing contract is with The Villages, not the individual agent. Also, when listing a house for sale, I always wanted to know the names of the top selling agents in the brokerage. Why not use the best?


manaboutown 12-11-2022 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 2165335)
My understanding is that Villages "realtors" do not necessarily have to have a real estate license. They do not use MLS and they are contractors contracted to TV.

All real estate agents must be state licensees.

retiredguy123 12-11-2022 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 2165335)
My understanding is that Villages "realtors" do not necessarily have to have a real estate license. They do not use MLS and they are contractors contracted to TV.

That is not correct. None of The Villages agents are Realtors because The Villages, as a broker, is not a member of the National Association of Realtors (NAR). But, all of The Villages agents are licensed by the state to sell real estate. It is illegal to sell real estate on a commission basis without a license.

Denbal82 12-11-2022 09:33 AM

Thanks for your input. I actually did that by filling a form online and haven't heard back from them. They actually can be protected by being under the "umbrella" of the Villages.





Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2165316)
Why not file a complaint with the state's regulatory department?

Here is their form.

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr.../re-2200-1.pdf


Denbal82 12-11-2022 09:39 AM

Thanks. The sales manager did work with me and sign me up with another agent. The thing is, he never really addressed my concerns I had with Debbie and told me just to move forward. I guess I'm glad I had another option with a new realtor.




Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 2165324)
We had a substandard agent when we bought here. We contacted The Villages and asked for a different agent, no problem.
Rather than reporting to the attorney general, etc etc. why not take a deep breath and forget it , don't let it bother you. Release.
I'm sure she doesn't care.


retiredguy123 12-11-2022 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denbal82 (Post 2165342)
Thanks for your input. I actually did that by filling a form online and haven't heard back from them. They actually can be protected by being under the "umbrella" of the Villages.

If she has a real estate license, and violates the law with respect to her fiduciary obligations to a client, the board can rescind her license. The Villages cannot prevent that.

Denbal82 12-11-2022 09:47 AM

I appreciate your reply. I did contact a "so called" Village sales manager but the realtors are "contractors" and basically work for themselves. Like I said, he did assign me another realtor.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2165302)
I would send this complaint to her boss. That will get results.


Stu from NYC 12-11-2022 09:56 AM

Have seen her name as a listing agent on quite a few properties here. Wonder if she has too much on her plate? No excuse for her actions though.

Bogie Shooter 12-11-2022 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denbal82 (Post 2165347)
Thanks. The sales manager did work with me and sign me up with another agent. The thing is, he never really addressed my concerns I had with Debbie and told me just to move forward. I guess I'm glad I had another option with a new realtor.

Did you complete the state form before or after meeting the sales manager?

manaboutown 12-11-2022 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2165359)
Have seen her name as a listing agent on quite a few properties here. Wonder if she has too much on her plate? No excuse for her actions though.

Indeed! I just checked. She has numerous "higher end" Villages listings. She is on Facebook and was at one time an associate broker with Sotheby's in the Miami area.

retiredguy123 12-11-2022 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denbal82 (Post 2165353)
I appreciate your reply. I did contact a "so called" Village sales manager but the realtors are "contractors" and basically work for themselves. Like I said, he did assign me another realtor.

The "agents", not realtors, are not independent contractors with respect to you. They work for The Villages, who is the "broker" and they may have a separate agreement with the broker. An agent cannot sell a house without a licensed broker. But, your listing contract is between you and the broker, not the agent. I would suggest that you examine the listing contract to see who signed it as the broker. That is the person who you should talk with if you have an issue with the performance of the contract.

Denbal82 12-11-2022 10:14 AM

I did. I filled out a form but no response yet.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2165360)
Did you complete the state form before or after meeting the sales manager?


Denbal82 12-11-2022 10:17 AM

Yes, that is correct. A broker did sign it. I just went through the chain of commands. I may contact the broker soon.



Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2165369)
The "agents", not realtors, are not independent contractors with respect to you. They work for The Villages, who is the "broker" and they may have a separate agreement with the broker. An agent cannot sell a house without a licensed broker. But, your listing contract is between you and the broker, not the agent. I would suggest that you examine the listing contract to see who signed it as the broker. That is the person who you should talk with if you have an issue with the performance of the contract.


villageuser 12-12-2022 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 2165335)
My understanding is that Villages "realtors" do not necessarily have to have a real estate license. They do not use MLS and they are contractors contracted to TV.

Exactly. Any company who refuses to use MLS is not diligently working in your behalf.

NoMo50 12-12-2022 05:45 AM

Does anyone else think there might be two sides to this story? FWIW...Debbie Sander is the #1 sales agent for Properties of The Villages, and has been since 2020. It would be pretty tough to achieve that level of distinction if she treated people the way the OP describes. Plus, the photo she uses in her marketing materials is not her high school picture, and saying that was definitely a cheap shot. Calling out someone based on their appearance is, on the other hand, very high school-ish.

LeDia 12-12-2022 06:20 AM

I had an awful experience with a village ‘realtor’. I contacted Jennifer Parr and was surprised to receive a phone call. I know my ‘realtor’ was spoken to and there were some other consequences for his actions or I should say lack of actions.

rsmurano 12-12-2022 06:43 AM

I put most of the blame on the seller and not on the agent. I have fired real estate agents within a month for incompetence before and I would have in this case after a few weeks. Using the villages real estate agents would have been easy because you would have just gone with another agent not another company, with me firing an outside agent, I went with another company so they lost rlms fees, photographer fees, etc..

Chloe Girl 12-12-2022 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeDia (Post 2165556)
I had an awful experience with a village ‘realtor’. I contacted Jennifer Parr and was surprised to receive a phone call. I know my ‘realtor’ was spoken to and there were some other consequences for his actions or I should say lack of actions.

You are very fortunate because we had an issue with the realtor when we bought here in The Villages. My husband tried to contact Jennifer Parr but his call was ignored by her.

geobar 12-12-2022 07:05 AM

After about one week of no response, I would have called her team leader at "The Village's Sales offices" to have her replaced.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Denbal82 (Post 2165292)
I listed my home with a Village real estate agent named Debbie Sander in August. From the start, my service from her was substandard.

In the beginning and talking with her in person, I asked her to send me a copy of the signed agreement. She never did. I asked again and she sends me a blank one. I finally got a signed one after a few calls.

Early on, I had to text her something important about the house and then days go by (or a week) and no response. I had to actually go to my open house just to talk to her. She told me her phone was "broken."

As the weeks go on, I emailed her, text her and left messages on her phone and no response. She did call me a week later about something else but never addressed my questions I emailed her about earlier. She said she must have gotten back to me and said she'll look at her phone logs. I told her I have phone logs as well and she changed the subject. She was also supposed to send me a contact name for a person regarding a small project around the house, you guessed it !- it never happened.

On one occasion, her assistant emailed me at 2:47pm saying I have a showing at 2:30pm that same day. Luckily, I left the house hours ahead for an appointment. Also her assistant emailed me on a Monday about something unimportant and then telling me to have a nice weekend. Ditzy?

On December 2nd, I left a voice mail with Debbie Sander saying i have something important to say and to call me back ASAP. To this day, I haven't heard from her. I since met with the Villages Sales Office manager and learned that Debbie had lied to me about sales statistics. I have now continued the listing contract with another Village realtor. If this original (long) 6 month contract expires, I will go with a MLS agent.

I'm sure many of you had pleasant experiences with her but, I just wanted to share mine and relay some information about her to help anyone make a discission if listing their home with a Village realtor. In my opinion, I don't think she's 100% coherent. Plus, I always wondered about a realtor using their High School picture on their business cards when you're in your sixties.


Bridget Staunton 12-12-2022 07:17 AM

When your contract is over, get a real estate company outside TV

mkjelenbaas 12-12-2022 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denbal82 (Post 2165292)
I listed my home with a Village real estate agent named Debbie Sander in August. From the start, my service from her was substandard.

In the beginning and talking with her in person, I asked her to send me a copy of the signed agreement. She never did. I asked again and she sends me a blank one. I finally got a signed one after a few calls.

Early on, I had to text her something important about the house and then days go by (or a week) and no response. I had to actually go to my open house just to talk to her. She told me her phone was "broken."

As the weeks go on, I emailed her, text her and left messages on her phone and no response. She did call me a week later about something else but never addressed my questions I emailed her about earlier. She said she must have gotten back to me and said she'll look at her phone logs. I told her I have phone logs as well and she changed the subject. She was also supposed to send me a contact name for a person regarding a small project around the house, you guessed it !- it never happened.

On one occasion, her assistant emailed me at 2:47pm saying I have a showing at 2:30pm that same day. Luckily, I left the house hours ahead for an appointment. Also her assistant emailed me on a Monday about something unimportant and then telling me to have a nice weekend. Ditzy?

On December 2nd, I left a voice mail with Debbie Sander saying i have something important to say and to call me back ASAP. To this day, I haven't heard from her. I since met with the Villages Sales Office manager and learned that Debbie had lied to me about sales statistics. I have now continued the listing contract with another Village realtor. If this original (long) 6 month contract expires, I will go with a MLS agent.

I'm sure many of you had pleasant experiences with her but, I just wanted to share mine and relay some information about her to help anyone make a discission if listing their home with a Village realtor. In my opinion, I don't think she's 100% coherent. Plus, I always wondered about a realtor using their High School picture on their business cards when you're in your sixties.

Hire one of the ROGUE realtors- find Chris Day as he is the best??

NavyBoy 12-12-2022 07:29 AM

Why you made this mistake with a village realtor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denbal82 (Post 2165292)
i listed my home with a village real estate agent named debbie sander in august. From the start, my service from her was substandard.

In the beginning and talking with her in person, i asked her to send me a copy of the signed agreement. She never did. I asked again and she sends me a blank one. I finally got a signed one after a few calls.

Early on, i had to text her something important about the house and then days go by (or a week) and no response. I had to actually go to my open house just to talk to her. She told me her phone was "broken."

as the weeks go on, i emailed her, text her and left messages on her phone and no response. She did call me a week later about something else but never addressed my questions i emailed her about earlier. She said she must have gotten back to me and said she'll look at her phone logs. I told her i have phone logs as well and she changed the subject. She was also supposed to send me a contact name for a person regarding a small project around the house, you guessed it !- it never happened.

On one occasion, her assistant emailed me at 2:47pm saying i have a showing at 2:30pm that same day. Luckily, i left the house hours ahead for an appointment. Also her assistant emailed me on a monday about something unimportant and then telling me to have a nice weekend. Ditzy?

On december 2nd, i left a voice mail with debbie sander saying i have something important to say and to call me back asap. To this day, i haven't heard from her. I since met with the villages sales office manager and learned that debbie had lied to me about sales statistics. I have now continued the listing contract with another village realtor. If this original (long) 6 month contract expires, i will go with a mls agent.

I'm sure many of you had pleasant experiences with her but, i just wanted to share mine and relay some information about her to help anyone make a discission if listing their home with a village realtor. In my opinion, i don't think she's 100% coherent. Plus, i always wondered about a realtor using their high school picture on their business cards when you're in your sixties.

you get what you deserve because you failed to be smart and go with sally love realty on 466a. She is the biggest and the very best and far superior when selling used homes in the villages. You get what you pay for....

Dlbonivich 12-12-2022 07:38 AM

Just like every company there are good and bad sales people. The number one agent obviously is popular and probably does a pretty good job. Remember Real Estate has been “easy” for the last few years. Things have changed somewhat, homes are not moving as quickly. She may have been going through an adjustment period. I have been doing real estate for 27 years. I have experienced slow downs before. It is not easy addressing this with clients with high expectations based on previous years. Hopefully she gets things together and moves forward. Sellers need to be prepared to have their home stay on the market a little longer. The market in The Villages is great, the rest of the country does affect the local market. Everyone wants to come here, but they need to sell where they are to get here. I wish the commenter good luck. Be patient.

defrey12 12-12-2022 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2165338)
All real estate agents must be state licensees.

They do, and they are. They are NOT part any local board of Realtors nor do they belong to ANY MLS service.

Lchughart@gmail.com 12-12-2022 07:57 AM

We use Debbie to buy a house and would not recommend her again, she missed lead us on the items that should have been included in the sale in the house, and was nonresponsive on a issue following closing on the house.

Ele201 12-12-2022 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 2165324)
We had a substandard agent when we bought here. We contacted The Villages and asked for a different agent, no problem.
Rather than reporting to the attorney general, etc etc. why not take a deep breath and forget it , don't let it bother you. Release.
I'm sure she doesn't care.

Agree with your line of reasoning. There are people providing substandard services out there in various sales positions. In real estate, I’ve found agents are quite proactive because they are motivated by making a sale and will do whatever it takes.

Anyway, in this case, the OP is actually fortunate to have cut ties and moved to another agent. Things could have been much worse if she stayed with an agent who she felt wasn’t responsive.

airstreamingypsy 12-12-2022 08:24 AM

I am in awe of your patience, I would have fired her the first time she ignored a request from me.

Debbraham 12-12-2022 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 2165335)
My understanding is that Villages "realtors" do not necessarily have to have a real estate license. They do not use MLS and they are contractors contracted to TV.

They do have to have a real estate license. It’s just that The Billages do not belong to the state board of realtors so they can not list thru mls and do not have to follow the standard of rules snd conduct associated with the state board of realtors.

Debset 12-12-2022 09:02 AM

I'm surprised to hear this about Debbie Sander. When I was searching for a home in the Villages a few years ago she was VERY helpful and knowledgeable. What impressed me the most was the fact that I was looking at manufactured homes while she was listing/selling high-end homes but yet she was there to help me. Not sure that she had an assistant then? Maybe that's the problem? Hope everything works out well for you!

Denbal82 12-12-2022 09:17 AM

Thanks for the reply. My problem wasn't with the value, sales or marketing statistics or changes. My problem was with correspondence, or lack of, with the realtor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dlbonivich (Post 2165584)
Just like every company there are good and bad sales people. The number one agent obviously is popular and probably does a pretty good job. Remember Real Estate has been “easy” for the last few years. Things have changed somewhat, homes are not moving as quickly. She may have been going through an adjustment period. I have been doing real estate for 27 years. I have experienced slow downs before. It is not easy addressing this with clients with high expectations based on previous years. Hopefully she gets things together and moves forward. Sellers need to be prepared to have their home stay on the market a little longer. The market in The Villages is great, the rest of the country does affect the local market. Everyone wants to come here, but they need to sell where they are to get here. I wish the commenter good luck. Be patient.


davefin 12-12-2022 09:24 AM

As always, there are two sides to every situation.

ron32162 12-12-2022 10:06 AM

They all have a state license and not a member of MLS

Pennyt 12-12-2022 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2165338)
All real estate agents must be state licensees.

If someone is employed by and representing a developer or builder, they are not required to have a real estate license. At least that was the way it was when I was a real estate broker.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-12-2022 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villageuser (Post 2165547)
Exactly. Any company who refuses to use MLS is not diligently working in your behalf.

The Villages Real Estate /cannot/ use MLS. They are contracted to do sales exclusively for The Villages Holding Corp, the developer and owner of the new properties. MLS agents are not allowed to sell new construction for the same reason - they are NOT contracted to sell on behalf of the owners of the property. It's a long-standing agreement. The Villages Real Estate is the Developer's sales arm.


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