We should be much hotter
 

In 1986 the father of global warming, NASA scientist Dr. James Hansen, said we should be at least 5 degrees Celsius warmer than we now are. Find out why he said that, April 17 at 10AM at Colony Cottage at the Civil Discourse club meeting.

Weather! Can't live with it, can't live without it.

Such fun! Such fun!

Weather seems to be getting more unpredictable and extreme. At our home up north we got a 30+ inch snow storm almost exactly a month ago, which was an all time record for mid March. The last two days have hit 90 degrees, another all time record for mid April. I can’t ever remember it feeling like summer in Florida on April 14th in Massachusetts. At least all the snow finally melted and the golf courses are opening up : )

PS - my buddy went skiing at Mt Snow in southern VT yesterday. Still lots of snow and he was skiing in the mid 80’s temperatures. Bizarre?

If it's more unpredictable, then our weather models are getting worse -- and in some ways they are -- as the Monday talk will show. But, weather is not more extreme. What's more extreme is media alarmism and everyone is falling for it. Today's climate is mild compared to the past ...

- 1924: 148 died in a tornado outbreak.
- 1927: 500 died in a Mississippi flood.
- 1913: Death Valley temperature hit world record high of 134 F.
- 1972: Loma, Montana, had a 24-hour temperature change of 103 F.
- 1977: Measurable snow in Miami.
- There are hundreds more examples of more extreme past weather events.
- Plus, we're in a 7-year cooling trend.

There is only one that can control the climate.

This guy?

https://www.filmstories.co.uk/wp-con...8/dr-evil.jpeg

That's HIM! That's HIM!

This is nothing new, the earth has been going thru these cycles for millions of years. Many so called scientists/weather scientists have been caught for their biased observations. For every climate doomsayer scientist there are more scientists saying the opposite

Not him, but this fella looks very suspicious.

I'd say that whoever that is, he/she is not doing a very good job at 'control of the climate'. He/she must enjoy watching us deal with drought in one area of the country and flooding in another.

No one is controlling the climate in my view of things.

Weather
 

One thing we say in Wisconsin. IF you don't like the weather, wait an hour, it'll change.
Remember back in the 70s when Lake Michigan froze over? Scientists told us we were on the verge of the next Global Ice Age. I guess they were wrong Again.
And Again, And Again. LOL

It's Sunday, so I'll say Amen. However, here's what the scientists at the United Nations' climate change office (IPCC) said in 2001: “In climate research and modeling … the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”

Hard to argue facts. Weather is definitely getting crazy 26 inches in Fort Lauderdale most of which came down in 7 hours. Wait till the impending flooding in California when the 70 feet of snow melts and none of that snow is headed to the worst affected area, Lake Mead and Lake Powell.

Well, it's not like California hasn't done anything to improve their electric grid or water resources in the last 60 years...

Oh, wait... They haven't...

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37 billion metric tons of Co2 dumped into the atmosphere every year just can't be a good thing over time. I'm sure we can all agree on that. Give a hoot, don't pollute!

Joe

Annual CO2 emissions worldwide 1940-2021 | Statista

"Worst affected" is better phrased as "man affected" and not climate affected. 1. To begin with, this is the "Desert" Southwest. 2. Those lakes are man-made ... take away the lakes and the people ... and drought problem is gone. 3. Or ... why would anyone want to have nice green lawns in a climatologically designated "desert" region? 4. See the tiny blip on the far right side of the diagram ...that's the so-called modern day mega-drought ...

[QUOTE=Fastskiguy;2207976]37 billion metric tons of Co2 dumped into the atmosphere every year just can't be a good thing over time. I'm sure we can all agree on that. Give a hoot, don't pollute!

Joe

CO2 is not a pollutant. More importantly it is plant food, and more is better, because we are in a CO2 famine. Learn more 10 AM, April 17, Colony Cottage ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLnQo8l-BHc

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.


Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.


Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

I must apologize. I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2 , 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 100-years ago. This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions or possibly from horse and cattle farts.

You have data that shows the seven-year cooling trend? All the scientific literature I've seen does not show this. In fact, it's just the opposite unless you don't believe the New York Times:

Earth’s Last 8 Years Were the Hottest on Record - The New York Times

That story is based on data from NASA and the European Union’s Copernicus Climate Change Service.

Those organizations have no reason to fake their information while there are a lot of Climate Change denier groups funded by fossil fuel companies and others who stand to lose money if the necessary changes are made to combat it.

Why do people denigrate scientists in an effort to ignore the reality of Climate Change? Guess it makes you feel better that you can go on living life as in the past. It is changing, gradually, but it is getting worse. All you need to do is watch the Weather Channel and stop making excuses or finding different opinions to oppose it. Organizations like NASA are composed of scientists whose life work is to study it. Are you going to believe some politician or academic with a Ph.D. in Marketing being paid to distort the truth?

Stop being irrational and listen to what the scientists are telling us.

He has found a denier group/individual who cherry-picks a starting point that yields a cooling trend. There have been many posts about this in other threads. Here is just one.

At this point I honestly think he is just trolling in order to drum up attendance for his talks.

[QUOTE=sounding;2207983]Surely you aren’t suggesting more CO2 would be better? Are you?

Joe

US government data proves everything I say. The 7-year cooling trend is seen via the NOAA surface & ocean temperature data and via the NASA satellite global UAH temperature data (on Roy Spencer website). See details at the Weather Club, or Apr 17 at 10 AM at Colony Cottage.

Here's the NASA UAH satellite data. You can plot it for yourself ... https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v...cdc_lt_6.0.txt

[QUOTE=Fastskiguy;2208002]Absolutely, yes. Seeing is believing ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ8Ws8ZrleE

Short memory or just more trolling? That is exactly what I did and what we discussed in the thread that I linked to. That data, the data you choose to use, the data I did plot, clearly shows a continuous warming trend UNLESS you cherry-pick a starting point right around an abnormally warm year.

Cherry-picking claims don't answer the question. Regardless of the cherries -- there's an answer for everything. Why can't anyone say why we have been cooling for more than 7-years? NOAA and NASA data both show it -- it is real -- but no one wants to say why ... but at 10 AM on Apr 17 at Colony Cottage the Big Cherry will be revealed.

Yeah, someone should tell Mother Nature to stop!

"What are the natural sources of CO2 emissions?

Yes, there are natural sources of atmospheric carbon dioxide, such as outgassing from the ocean, decomposing vegetation and other biomass, venting volcanoes, naturally occurring wildfires, and even belches from ruminant animals."

"Altogether the planet absorbs and emits about 100 billion tons of carbon dioxide through this natural cycle every year..."

Enough with the gratuitous hyperbole. Not EVERYONE is falling for it!
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Good link.

Good post.

[QUOTE=sounding;2207983]Excess CO2 from infernal combustion engines IS definitely a pollutant. We have had 8 years of record HEAT worldwide. And ONLY E-vehicles, which are expensive right now can help us out of this serious dilemma.

[QUOTE=sounding;2208009]Said the magician as he sawed the woman in half.

All these charts and graphs only prove whatever agenda the posters are supporting.
I do not need any chart or graph to tell me the UK weather/climate is warmer now than 80+ years ago when I was born.
Winters were bitter cold, with plenty of snow and ice.
Soft plants never stood a chance of surviving a winter.
I bring very few in now, and they get through winter mostly unscathed.
Rot due to wet is the main enemy of the gardener now.
Nature does not lie.
The only question that needs answering?
"Is the change in the Climate/Weather man made?"
Because if it isn't, we are being royally screwed by the zealots!

If the Greenhouse Gas theory is correct, then we are not getting screwed by zealots. While correlation does not prove causation -- that is, all the data shows the precipitous increase of Global Temps (much greater than in all geological history -- aside from a cataclysm like the asteroid that struck the earth that wiped out the dinosaurs -- it coincides with the advent of the Industrial Revolution and has grown incrementally or even synergistically with the increase of industrial activity. Something is causing this. All the contrary views that it is not greenhouse gases have been debunked by scientists -- like volcanic activity or the sun getting hotter, all BS created by propaganda. The best available science says it is greenhouse gases.

How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

Good point. I once fell all that Al-Gore alarmism -- until I looked at the data.

I wonder if there's a tip jar at these meetings.

I believe these "Civil Discourse" meetings do have tip jars for the coffee, etc.