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Bogie Shooter 04-20-2023 04:37 PM

New Troll Reporting Deed Violations in The Villages
 
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.

dewilson58 04-20-2023 04:52 PM

:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

rustyp 04-20-2023 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209436)
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.

You are not new to TV. No ifs ands or buts work at the meetings. 2005 is no defense !!! I don't like it either but you need a two front battle. The first one you already lost. The second one is up to you to rally the troops to amend the covenants.

BrianL99 04-20-2023 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2209440)
You are not new to TV. No ifs ands or buts work at the meetings. 2005 is no defense !!! I don't like it either but you need a two front battle. The first one you already lost. The second one is up to you to rally the troops to amend the covenants.


This is great. We need way more reporting and a lot fewer violations.

If someone didn't like the rules, they shouldn't have bought here.

If they bought with violations in place, they're at fault for being inattentive or just dumb.

tophcfa 04-20-2023 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209436)
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.

I’m sure the flowers had a very nice eye appeal and were appreciated by your neighbors. I blows my mind that inconsiderate homeowners can run a neighborhood disrupting revolving door AIRBnB and the deed restrictions violated are ignored, but you are forced to remove flowers? If removing those flowers could possibly slow new home sales south of 44 you could be certain the trolls complaint would have fallen on deaf ears.

blueash 04-20-2023 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209436)
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.

If you knew who submitted the notice of your violation to Community Standards, what change would that make in how you would feel? Perhaps you'd like to check their home for violations to exact some revenge? Perhaps you'd like to confront them at their door to give them a piece of your mind? Perhaps you are a big supporter of second amendment solutions?

Maybe you think flowers in violation should require a person to give their name, but wrong paint, or a giant Buddha, or mold and broken lawn mowers on the grass should not? Give us the criteria you would suggest.

Blueblaze 04-20-2023 05:24 PM

OMG! Flowers near the street! Alert the media!

I'm still trying to figure out who has a yard big enough the AVOID putting flowers that close the street. In my neighborhood, nearly everyone has some sort of flowerbed in their front yard. And get this -- some even have 8" crosses!

Sure glad I bought my retirement home amongst a bunch of dangerous rebels just like me! I'd hate to offend a flower-hater!

Bill14564 04-20-2023 05:28 PM

There really ought to be rule that you can only file a complaint for the Unit (neighborhood) where you live. What someone has in their yard up near Lake Sumter Landing is of no concern to me. My property is of no concern to anyone but my neighbors who have to look at it.

There are enough activities in the Villages as it is. We don't need to add trolling for compliance issues.

justjim 04-20-2023 05:28 PM

There are some Landscapers who plant flowers, shrubs, trees and build landscape walls all across The Villages that violate deed restrictions. The number is in the hundreds. That said, residents are legally responsible. Sorry to hear that trolls are active again.

Mleeja 04-20-2023 05:38 PM

Ok, here is your tip. Emails are public records. If the “complaints” came in via email you can file a request to see them.

dewilson58 04-20-2023 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2209450)
If you knew who submitted the notice of your violation to Community Standards, what change would that make in how you would feel? Perhaps you'd like to check their home for violations to exact some revenge? Perhaps you'd like to confront them at their door to give them a piece of your mind? Perhaps you are a big supporter of second amendment solutions?

Maybe you think flowers in violation should require a person to give their name, but wrong paint, or a giant Buddha, or mold and broken lawn mowers on the grass should not?

It's none of "perhaps" which you post.

It's a troll, 25 complains and on a street the complainer probably does not live.

Yes, a real coward's way.

Speaks volumes about the person.

Hape2Bhr 04-20-2023 05:57 PM

I wonder if the troll was someone who was belittled after posting on TOTV's.

rustyp 04-20-2023 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2209445)
This is great. We need way more reporting and a lot fewer violations.

If someone didn't like the rules, they shouldn't have bought here.

If they bought with violations in place, they're at fault for being inattentive or just dumb.

Another battle I would like to see is if a home inspection is made and a covenant violation was not identified then the inspection company should be financially liable for correction. None of this BS of returning the cost of the inspection.

dewilson58 04-20-2023 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2209464)
Another battle I would like to see is if a home inspection is made and a covenant violation was not identified then the inspection company should be financially liable for correction. None of this BS of returning the cost of the inspection.

do home inspectors certify compliance with covenants??

coralway 04-20-2023 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209436)
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.




You had a landscape violation - you were wrong. If you feel violated, you can always move. The fewer Karens and Kens we have here, the better

villagetinker 04-20-2023 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 2209456)
Ok, here is your tip. Emails are public records. If the “complaints” came in via email you can file a request to see them.

I was just going to point that out, thanks for doing it.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-20-2023 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2209466)
do home inspectors certify compliance with covenants??

No, they don't. But I think rusty is saying they should. I agree.

DonH57 04-20-2023 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209436)
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.

Now I'm curious if the same troll was on our street a couple days ago. Randomly stopping in front of homes taking pictures and scribbling notes. No one else on the street. When I pulled out of the driveway she left.

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2023 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2209440)
You are not new to TV. No ifs ands or buts work at the meetings. 2005 is no defense !!! I don't like it either but you need a two front battle. The first one you already lost. The second one is up to you to rally the troops to amend the covenants.

Agree 2005 not a defense or was it intended. We were wrong and it has been corrected.
I posted to provide awareness that a person is turning in a lot of complaints. I don’t believe that was the intent of the original process.
I will not be doing any troop rallying…..the District boards are moving forward on that front.

golfing eagles 04-20-2023 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2209467)
You had a landscape violation - you were wrong. If you feel violated, you can always move. The fewer Karens and Kens we have here, the better

A little harsh???????

Let's hope nobody opens an AirBnB next door to you.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2023 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2209450)
If you knew who submitted the notice of your violation to Community Standards, what change would that make in how you would feel? Perhaps you'd like to check their home for violations to exact some revenge? Perhaps you'd like to confront them at their door to give them a piece of your mind? Perhaps you are a big supporter of second amendment solutions?

Maybe you think flowers in violation should require a person to give their name, but wrong paint, or a giant Buddha, or mold and broken lawn mowers on the grass should not? Give us the criteria you would suggest.

I have no desire to know the name of the person who filed the complaint. But going from village to village and filing random complaints is cowardly and an abuse of the system.

My views on the second amendment have nothing to do with this. I am offended that you even suggest that!

I believe all submissions of deed violations should include the name of the submitter.

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2023 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2209467)
You had a landscape violation - you were wrong. If you feel violated, you can always move. The fewer Karens and Kens we have here, the better

Do you think if I didn’t feel we were wrong, I would have removed the flowers?

Don’t feel violated. Have no intention of moving.

What is the implication in your last sentence?

BrianL99 04-20-2023 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2209464)
Another battle I would like to see is if a home inspection is made and a covenant violation was not identified then the inspection company should be financially liable for correction. None of this BS of returning the cost of the inspection.

I agree, except I've never seen a "contract" with an Inspector, that didn't limit damages to the price paid for the Inspection.

fdpaq0580 04-20-2023 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2209453)
There really ought to be rule that you can only file a complaint for the Unit (neighborhood) where you live. What someone has in their yard up near Lake Sumter Landing is of no concern to me. My property is of no concern to anyone but my neighbors who have to look at it.

There are enough activities in the Villages as it is. We don't need to add trolling for compliance issues.

I agree with this idea. Problems on your street is one thing. But what kind of individual is so filled with bile that they will fill their miserable life with bringing difficulty and unhappiness to so many others. For all we know, the complaints could be from outside the Villages. villages haters!
(MY) New rule: Persons may only generate one violation report per month for adjoining properties. The representative checking out the complaints validity, will have the power to certify the current as being meeting standards if no safety or boundry issues are violated.
The "crying wolf" clause. If a complainer make more than two frivolous complaints which are baseless, that individual will be banned from any future complaints.

Another thought. What if the trolls are actually on the payroll? Could our administration be the source that sows the seeds of discontent? Okay conspiracy buffs, jump on that.

Velvet 04-20-2023 09:34 PM

My impression was the original intent of complaint driven enforcement was that things were okay unless people objected to them (in the neighborhood). For example, distasteful lawn ornaments, anything divisive such as religious or political symbols. I don’t think it was intended that people living far away would have the right to complain since they are not living near by. It was never worded that way in the deed restrictions and some people take advantage, maybe even delight in causing others problems. I can’t imagine how flowers could be distasteful or blocking view of traffic. Talk about nit picking!

Garywt 04-20-2023 10:23 PM

So it wasn’t the 2 ladies with a clipboard in a golf cart, it was someone different. I do agree that rules need to be followed but I feel if you are reporting on someone who lives miles away from your home it should be left to someone in the neighborhood to turn them in or to talk to the homeowner first. From where I live, I don’t care if someone in Fenney has a violation or not.

I thought they were not taking any unsigned complaints anymore or is that just certain districts. At the end of the day there will always be violations where the home owners knows they have them or not.

Two Bills 04-21-2023 03:18 AM

There is a report on the "other" site this morning of a CYV being reported for wrong shingles on roof.
They were there when buyer purchased home.
Multiple/many/several/ quite a few, other roofs of same material/color are also out of compliance in same location, but have not been reported.
Going to be a costly lesson.
May have even been a "Free" roof.

Laker14 04-21-2023 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2209495)
My impression was the original intent of complaint driven enforcement was that things were okay unless people objected to them (in the neighborhood). For example, distasteful lawn ornaments, anything divisive such as religious or political symbols. I don’t think it was intended that people living far away would have the right to complain since they are not living near by. It was never worded that way in the deed restrictions and some people take advantage, maybe even delight in causing others problems. I can’t imagine how flowers could be distasteful or blocking view of traffic. Talk about nit picking!

I'm with you on this. I hope they stay away from my neighborhood. When I walk around or drive the cart and take "the scenic route" I see some very tastefully done landscaping that might be outside the letter of the law. I don't know for sure because I don't care. It would be fine with me if a neighbor felt the landscaping was "over the top" and didn't like to look at a violation every day, but I haven''t seen anything that anyone would find distasteful.

That someone derives some sort of joy from riding around in neighborhoods removed from their own, just to point out deed restriction violations is ridiculous, and mean spirited.

Worldseries27 04-21-2023 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2209440)
you are not new to tv. No ifs ands or buts work at the meetings. 2005 is no defense !!! I don't like it either but you need a two front battle. The first one you already lost. The second one is up to you to rally the troops to amend the covenants.

wheres deep throat when you need one

BrianL99 04-21-2023 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2209495)
My impression was the original intent of complaint driven enforcement was that things were okay unless people objected to them (in the neighborhood). For example, distasteful lawn ornaments, anything divisive such as religious or political symbols. I don’t think it was intended that people living far away would have the right to complain since they are not living near by. It was never worded that way in the deed restrictions and some people take advantage, maybe even delight in causing others problems. I can’t imagine how flowers could be distasteful or blocking view of traffic. Talk about nit picking!

The people "taking advantage" are the folks who ignore the Restrictions they signed up for, when they bought their homes.

What you *think* was intended, isn't relevant, what's in black & white on your contract is what it is.

Play by the rules or move. Simple.

asianthree 04-21-2023 05:09 AM

When I posted clipboard ladies running amuck again, taking pics and filing 75 complaints, “Poster’s said they didn’t exist.”

Sorry OP you got to see first hand, yes they do exist, and probably don’t live anywhere near you.

Bonus about 50% of their complaints are not a crime, as was our “white cross complaint” that was just a Hawaiian vine gone into hibernation.

Bridget Staunton 04-21-2023 05:22 AM

I think the comments here are very rude to a good neighbor. Think before you write she was just sharing information. Remember love one another we are only here for a short time

Sandy and Ed 04-21-2023 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2209440)
You are not new to TV. No ifs ands or buts work at the meetings. 2005 is no defense !!! I don't like it either but you need a two front battle. The first one you already lost. The second one is up to you to rally the troops to amend the covenants.

I have mixed feelings but agree. We moved to an over 55 community with certain restrictions. I don’t consider them trolls but just folks wanting everyone to honor those restrictions. Otherwise? What other community restrictions would be ignored. Apparently residents need to report community standards violations themselves since The Villages doesn’t seem to have their own monitors. As far as being “cowards”, why completely alienate a neighbor who you would otherwise be friendly toward?? Especially if that neighbor can’t take any criticism or comment about breaking a community standard. Just saying…..

Cobullymom 04-21-2023 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2209467)
You had a landscape violation - you were wrong. If you feel violated, you can always move. The fewer Karens and Kens we have here, the better

Wow, exactly why I left, Karen..

Sandy and Ed 04-21-2023 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2209482)
A little harsh???????

Let's hope nobody opens an AirBnB next door to you.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Now THAT needs to be changed. We do not need to turn TV into a daily rate flop house. A bit of an exaggeration, I admit, but someone renting for a month is one thing but for a weekend?? Come on!

GizmoWhiskers 04-21-2023 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209436)
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.

Pretty strange the anonymous part. I had to call to report a neighbor whose house is a full time rental for something and Community Standards tried to talk me out of making a complaint by saying "you know, you have to give your name." I told them go ahead, put down my name. Same thing happened when I called about another rental in my parent's villa area. HAD to give my name and they tried again to disuade me.

Selective enforcement in T V is rampid.

Bill14564 04-21-2023 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2209507)
There is a report on the "other" site this morning of a CYV being reported for wrong shingles on roof.
They were there when buyer purchased home.
Multiple/many/several/ quite a few, other roofs of same material/color are also out of compliance in same location, but have not been reported.
Going to be a costly lesson.
May have even been a "Free" roof.

There should be a way to get a Deed Compliance inspection prior to purchase to certify that there are no external violations or a grandfathering of any violations that were present.

I have no idea if my shingles are the right color or if my paint is the right hue or if that shrub in my front yard was approved. All were there when I purchased the house. As much time as I've spent learning how this place works, I don't know where I would go today to learn if my home is completely in compliance. If the answer is Community Standards/Deed Compliance, if that is the office that can determine if my home has a violation, then there should be a way to get a certificated from them stating as much.

NJRICHARD 04-21-2023 06:00 AM

WHY ARE FLOWERS A VIOLATION? IF THERE IS A good REASON ok, IF NOT CHANGE IT!

Bill14564 04-21-2023 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2209537)
Pretty strange the anonymous part. I had to call to report a neighbor whose house is a full time rental for something and Community Standards tried to talk me out of making a complaint by saying "you know, you have to give your name." I told them go ahead, put down my name. Same thing happened when I called about another rental in my parent's villa area. HAD to give my name and they tried again to disuade me.

Selective enforcement in T V is rampid.

Are you sure they were trying to discourage you from making a complaint? Perhaps they were trying to make you aware that your district does not allow anonymous complaints.

I have to believe that most people "know" the complaints can be anonymous and would be upset if they found that their name was attached to the complaint that they filed. In most districts they can be anonymous but there is at least one (might be two and possibly three) where anonymous complaints are not allowed. Rather than accusing Community Standards of trying to dissuade you from making a complaint, I would give them credit for alerting you that your complaint will not be anonymous like you might have thought it would be.

asianthree 04-21-2023 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2209531)
I have mixed feelings but agree. We moved to an over 55 community with certain restrictions. I don’t consider them trolls but just folks wanting everyone to honor those restrictions. Otherwise? What other community restrictions would be ignored. Apparently residents need to report community standards violations themselves since The Villages doesn’t seem to have their own monitors. As far as being “cowards”, why completely alienate a neighbor who you would otherwise be friendly toward?? Especially if that neighbor can’t take any criticism or comment about breaking a community standard. Just saying…..

But they are not your neighbors, just lonely, vindictive, people who probably live miles away from where they are filing complaints. When I was visited with the white cross incident (not going to happen anywhere in my lawn) the very nice gentleman gave me the complaint, walked to the side of my house, and laughed at what was construed as a white cross.

He stated half of the crap filed by these people aren’t even an issue, just a waste of time and resources, by someone who files 50 plus complaints at a time. Hoping someday that rules would change, and one must reside in the village they are filing a complaint, or charge $5 per filed complaint, and refunded if the complaints stand. He said that would take the starch out of the clipboard ladies.

So he wasted gas, his and my time, for something that if you looked very sideways could never be considered as a cross, for regular people, but in these filers, they just need to find something


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