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Geodyssey 04-21-2023 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209485)
I have no desire to know the name of the person who filed the complaint. But going from village to village and filing random complaints is cowardly and an abuse of the system.

My views on the second amendment have nothing to do with this. I am offended that you even suggest that!

I believe all submissions of deed violations should include the name of the submitter.

Then you could teach them a lesson or two. In person, man-to-man.

Johnsocat 04-21-2023 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2209450)
If you knew who submitted the notice of your violation to Community Standards, what change would that make in how you would feel? Perhaps you'd like to check their home for violations to exact some revenge? Perhaps you'd like to confront them at their door to give them a piece of your mind? Perhaps you are a big supporter of second amendment solutions?

Maybe you think flowers in violation should require a person to give their name, but wrong paint, or a giant Buddha, or mold and broken lawn mowers on the grass should not? Give us the criteria you would suggest.

I was taught it shows integrity and honesty to try to solve problems at the lowest levels before elevating.

It also breeds distrust amongst us when we don't know which neighbor basically stabbed us in the hack as opposed to simply having a friendly/civil discussion about something we may not even be aware of...

Number 10 GI 04-21-2023 10:21 AM

I'm glad there are restrictions on what a homeowner can do, however I have a problem with the anonymous reporting. It fosters suspicion and distrust of your acquaintances and neighbors.

Vermilion Villager 04-21-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2209466)
do home inspectors certify compliance with covenants??

nope!

Vermilion Villager 04-21-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 2209672)
WOW!!! Thank you Karen for that sound heartfelt advice. What goes around, comes around.

Other than the Karen part… Tell me what in their post was wrong?

Velvet 04-21-2023 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2209680)
I was taught it shows integrity and honesty to try to solve problems at the lowest levels before elevating.

It also breeds distrust amongst us when we don't know which neighbor basically stabbed us in the hack as opposed to simply having a friendly/civil discussion about something we may not even be aware of...

I know my neighbors if I did something wrong, it would be by mistake but whoever would report me sure wouldn’t be one of my neighbors! What kind of neighbor is a person if they are worried about theirs?

Vermilion Villager 04-21-2023 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Geodyssey (Post 2209677)
Then you could teach them a lesson or two. In person, man-to-man.

Now that everyone in Florida can carry a weapon without a permit or anything else you may want to rethink that line of reasoning.

Vermilion Villager 04-21-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209436)
Representative from Community Standards advised us today we had a landscape violation. Flowers planted within the 13’ street right-a-way. Regardless that flowers have been there since 2005
Ours was one of 25, so far, submitted by the same individual. All anonymous via email, (the real cowards way). From Lady Lake to Fenny.

The flowers were removed before the Rep. had finished talking to a neighbor across the street….who also had a violation.

How do you know if it was the same individual if they are all anonymous? I know the community standards people who contact you do not have any information about the person filing the complaint.

Vermilion Villager 04-21-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2209567)
aside from TV strongarm approach, you're acctually incorrect. While they may pay/influence/ whatever the courts around here, the reality is that none of this would stand in a federal court. IF those plants have been there since 2005 that is actually a defense, TV can not by pass (as in allow) an infraction and then call it back. That qualifies as selective enforcement, and all Florida courts (not controlled by TV) will side with the home owner for this. Once selective enforcement has been determined - all the "rules" are void.

There is a process to rectify the selective enforcement, but I don't see that mentioned here either. Personally I would have told the person to stick it and lawyer up. As a former HOA president our atty was both local and federal, learned a lot, just waiting to use it (yes I like a good fight)

I think you lost us when you tried to imply that flowers being placed too close to a street would be heard by a " federal court":1rotfl:

jimjamuser 04-21-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2209495)
My impression was the original intent of complaint driven enforcement was that things were okay unless people objected to them (in the neighborhood). For example, distasteful lawn ornaments, anything divisive such as religious or political symbols. I don’t think it was intended that people living far away would have the right to complain since they are not living near by. It was never worded that way in the deed restrictions and some people take advantage, maybe even delight in causing others problems. I can’t imagine how flowers could be distasteful or blocking view of traffic. Talk about nit picking!

You have made a good point about "FLOWERS". But, don't forget that "flowers" usually have a stalk that supports the "flowers" up to some certain height. Suppose that the stalk height is 3 ft or 4 ft. Now we have a bush with flowers and that could present a visual safety hazard for oncoming vehicles;
......Now that 13 ft back from the street seems WAY excessive, maybe 5 or 6 ft would be reasonable.
.......At the exit of the Southside pool there is a large bush that forces cars to go out into the middle of the street in order to see if other cars are coming. That is a safety hazard created by plants and it is 2 ft from the road and it is on Village property, not a resident's.
.......The excessive plants on ALL the roundabouts create a traffic safety hazard.
........Just saying that it is possible for plants to create a LEGITIMATE hazard and therefore a need to be written up.
........I can't make a judgment in this particular case because there are other factors like is the street straight or does it curve. And other factors.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 04-21-2023 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2209507)
There is a report on the "other" site this morning of a CYV being reported for wrong shingles on roof.
They were there when buyer purchased home.
Multiple/many/several/ quite a few, other roofs of same material/color are also out of compliance in same location, but have not been reported.
Going to be a costly lesson.
May have even been a "Free" roof.

wrong she hired the roofer in 2020 to put new roof on ,the fault is on her not anyone else , it’s tough but buyer beware, almost all the roofers doing business in the villages know these rules and have to get building permits , it should have been caught before it was completed

Quietman 04-21-2023 10:44 AM

Don't they dig up the flowers at intersection R-O-W whenever they need to (without any extrea effort) ????

BlueStarAirlines 04-21-2023 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2209535)
Wow, exactly why I left, Karen..

So......you don't even live here?? I never understood the need to read\comment on a place I formally lived. A lot of people Facebook stalk old girlfriends and wives, so maybe its the same compulsion.....

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2023 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 2209625)
Well,well,well. Are you certain that there were no other posts on this subject since 2005 that you should have looked into before starting this thread? This is definitely Karma in action. What a waste of flowers. I feel bad for you Bogie. Take it easy on the next newbie who you want to roast for their post because it’s been discussed before. Each post is important to each poster.

New troll.

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2023 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2209696)
How do you know if it was the same individual if they are all anonymous? I know the community standards people who contact you do not have any information about the person filing the complaint.

The complaints were emailed in with the same email address, shared by the Community Standards rep.

roob1 04-21-2023 11:58 AM

Hopefully next time they will use an anonymous email service.


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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2209725)
The complaints were emailed in with the same email address, shared by the Community Standards rep.


Two Bills 04-21-2023 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2209703)
wrong she hired the roofer in 2020 to put new roof on ,the fault is on her not anyone else , it’s tough but buyer beware, almost all the roofers doing business in the villages know these rules and have to get building permits , it should have been caught before it was completed

Yep. Misread it.
Early in morning before coffee is my only excuse.

nn0wheremann 04-21-2023 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2209464)
Another battle I would like to see is if a home inspection is made and a covenant violation was not identified then the inspection company should be financially liable for correction. None of this BS of returning the cost of the inspection.

Or, if the sale was made through The Villages real estate sales office, if they are liable for not disclosing the violation or remediation of the violation prior to the sale?

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2209702)
You have made a good point about "FLOWERS". But, don't forget that "flowers" usually have a stalk that supports the "flowers" up to some certain height. Suppose that the stalk height is 3 ft or 4 ft. Now we have a bush with flowers and that could present a visual safety hazard for oncoming vehicles;
......Now that 13 ft back from the street seems WAY excessive, maybe 5 or 6 ft would be reasonable.
.......At the exit of the Southside pool there is a large bush that forces cars to go out into the middle of the street in order to see if other cars are coming. That is a safety hazard created by plants and it is 2 ft from the road and it is on Village property, not a resident's.
.......The excessive plants on ALL the roundabouts create a traffic safety hazard.
........Just saying that it is possible for plants to create a LEGITIMATE hazard and therefore a need to be written up.
........I can't make a judgment in this particular case because there are other factors like is the street straight or does it curve. And other factors.

The "13 feet" is to allow utility or emergency equipment access as needed. Think interns of an alleyway behind or between homes.

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2209732)
Yep. Misread it.
Early in morning before coffee is my only excuse.

Excellent excuse! You have been exonerated. Release the prisoner.

John Mayes 04-21-2023 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2209647)
Because these weren't neighbors. They were people living in one area of the villages, reporting people living in a different part of the villages. They don't really care that these peoples' yards violate code, because they have no need or reason to ever be in those neighborhoods. They have an axe to grind. Either they think Community Standards doesn't work hard enough, or they had violations on their own property and they want everyone else to suffer, or maybe they aren't even residents of the Villages at all, and just want to annoy Villagers because it's a trendy thing to do.

This!!!

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryCamlin (Post 2209671)
Wow from reading these negative mean comments you folks need a lesson in compassion. Do you wake up everyday thinking how can I make some commenter today feel miserable? Yes rules were in place but give me a break we are talking beautiful flowers how on earth could this be a violation?? Trolling is absolutely wrong. You have an issue with somebody give your name otherwise you are just a coward,

FYI! Trolls have no heart, therefore, no compassion. They hate every flower except stink weed. And they eat babies, furry or shaved.

Whitley 04-21-2023 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2209458)
It's none of "perhaps" which you post.

It's a troll, 25 complains and on a street the complainer probably does not live.

Yes, a real coward's way.

Speaks volumes about the person.

I agree with you 100%. It is as sad as someone who needs to identify as a specific type of person in order to give their life meaning. "Today I am going to go and measure how far the pansy is from the road" or "I am going to show how clever I am by inserting my objection to the second amendment to a post about pansies and petunias".

Kathyo 04-21-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2209458)
It's none of "perhaps" which you post.

It's a troll, 25 complains and on a street the complainer probably does not live.

Yes, a real coward's way.

Speaks volumes about the person.

As someone suggested perhaps only accepting complaints from people that live in their own village would help. But the bottom line still is - Why do you want to know who made the complaint. What would you do with that information? I would love to hear the honest answer to that question.

Bill14564 04-21-2023 12:54 PM

Can someone point me to the deed restriction that mentions no flowers in a 13' easement?

I can find mention of a 10' easement but no mention of flowers. Even if "no flowers" is understood as a standard restriction on an easement, I still don't see 13' mentioned.

asianthree 04-21-2023 12:55 PM

So a community standards person, mentioned to more than one household in the 65 complaints at our old neighborhood, one of the original clipboard ladies was turned in for the multitude of white crosses in their front, side yard.

She fought the complaints, and lost, and fines were incurred, Weeks later she started filling out complaints in her own neighborhood, because she didn’t know who turned her in. Then with a partner it escalated to traveling to other villages. Because if she couldn’t have whatever in her yard, than nobody else would either.

Our complaints were from the original red golf cart clip board ladies. For all anyone knows she may have expanded into a organization group with monthly meetings:1rotfl:

golfing eagles 04-21-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2209754)
So a community standards person, mentioned to more than one household in the 65 complaints at our old neighborhood, one of the original clipboard ladies was turned in for the multitude of white crosses in their front, side yard.

She fought the complaints, and lost, and fines were incurred, Weeks later she started filling out complaints in her own neighborhood, because she didn’t know who turned her in. Then with a partner it escalated to traveling to other villages. Because if she couldn’t have whatever in her yard, than nobody else would either.

Our complaints were from the original red golf cart clip board ladies. For all anyone knows she may have expanded into a organization group with monthly meetings:1rotfl:

True origin of the clipboard ladies?-----maybe
Urban legend?-------------------------------------maybe

Kind of like the "People who live in Harmeswood don't have to rake traps" story that's been circulating for over 10 years.

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2209753)
Can someone point me to the deed restriction that mentions no flowers in a 13' easement?

I can find mention of a 10' easement but no mention of flowers. Even if "no flowers" is understood as a standard restriction on an easement, I still don't see 13' mentioned.

10' became 13' due to inflation.

mtdjed 04-21-2023 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2209474)
No, they don't. But I think rusty is saying they should. I agree.

No problem. Just tell them what you want along with your expectations for correction of defects if they miss. That way, they can calculate the bill for the added responsibility or politely suggest that you go elsewhere.

Trishakaye 04-21-2023 01:11 PM

Wow

Inexes@aol.com 04-21-2023 01:13 PM

10 ' vs 13'.....
 
As I sat here reading all the comments I noticed that not one person mentioned that. I believe, as you, that the easement is 10'.

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathyo (Post 2209752)
As someone suggested perhaps only accepting complaints from people that live in their own village would help. But the bottom line still is - Why do you want to know who made the complaint. What would you do with that information? I would love to hear the honest answer to that question.

I would fart in their general direction!

Actually, give them the "stinkeye". But it would allow me to know which neighbor is a tattle tale and guard my privacy accordingly.

Or drag a gator to their front door.

golfing eagles 04-21-2023 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Inexes@aol.com (Post 2209765)
As I sat here reading all the comments I noticed that not one person mentioned that. I believe, as you, that the easement is 10'.

Um, post #105. So at least one person mentioned it

Gator_Girl 04-21-2023 01:23 PM

I thought I read somewhere that they were doing away with anonymous complaints.

jimjamuser 04-21-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Inexes@aol.com (Post 2209765)
As I sat here reading all the comments I noticed that not one person mentioned that. I believe, as you, that the easement is 10'.

I said that the 13 ft seemed excessive.

mtdjed 04-21-2023 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2209508)
I'm with you on this. I hope they stay away from my neighborhood. When I walk around or drive the cart and take "the scenic route" I see some very tastefully done landscaping that might be outside the letter of the law. I don't know for sure because I don't care. It would be fine with me if a neighbor felt the landscaping was "over the top" and didn't like to look at a violation every day, but I haven''t seen anything that anyone would find distasteful.

That someone derives some sort of joy from riding around in neighborhoods removed from their own, just to point out deed restriction violations is ridiculous, and mean spirited.

The Villages is one big community trying to establish standards which enhance the community. These standards have evolved as the community grows. There is plainly a reason that they ban fences, mailboxes along the street, sheds etc. Other restrictions may be less obvious but likely have valid reasons. We, the property owners need to adhere to these standards and put our big people pants on if in non-compliance. It shouldn't be an issue with the reporter of the compliance or where they are located. The problem is the person in non-compliance.
I have no idea why flowers too close to the road are non-compliant. It may be something as simple as trying control front yard lawn appearance.

Larchap49 04-21-2023 01:49 PM

Wow
 
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2209445)
This is great. We need way more reporting and a lot fewer violations.

If someone didn't like the rules, they shouldn't have bought here.

If they bought with violations in place, they're at fault for being inattentive or just dumb.

You're certainly bright spot in someone's life. Glad it's not mine

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2023 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gator_Girl (Post 2209771)
I thought I read somewhere that they were doing away with anonymous complaints.

District 5 has for sometime……complaints went down.
District 2 just approved….effective May 1.

Larchap49 04-21-2023 01:54 PM

Reporting
 
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2209450)
If you knew who submitted the notice of your violation to Community Standards, what change would that make in how you would feel? Perhaps you'd like to check their home for violations to exact some revenge? Perhaps you'd like to confront them at their door to give them a piece of your mind? Perhaps you are a big supporter of second amendment solutions?

Maybe you think flowers in violation should require a person to give their name, but wrong paint, or a giant Buddha, or mold and broken lawn mowers on the grass should not? Give us the criteria you would suggest.

If a person has the nerve to ride all over interfering in other people's lives then they should have the courage and the nerve to sign their name to it. In my opinion they are a coward.

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gator_Girl (Post 2209771)
I thought I read somewhere that they were doing away with anonymous complaints.

Good! Then we'll find out where the fiends are hiding. The Burgermiester says lock the women and children in doors, get torches and gather the hounds. We'll track the fiends to their lair and we'll....
Um. Sorry, I got carried away.


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