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Tvflguy 06-21-2023 01:16 PM
I’m tempted to buy a shotgun…
 
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?

Arctic Fox 06-21-2023 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck. Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
If there were no predators the World would be over-run with prey. Don't worry about the smaller birds - they produce enough babies to ensure the continued existence of the species.

Taltarzac725 06-21-2023 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?

Can I shoot in My Backyard? | Florida Concealed Carry

It does not look like you could fire a shotgun at the hawk in most Villages' properties.

I have heard shotgun blasts from various farms near here though.

tophcfa 06-21-2023 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
I’m downsizing, would consider selling you my Benelli SuperNova 12 gauge pump action with 4 different choke tubes. Not sure what paperwork is required to make a legal sale?

retiredguy123 06-21-2023 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2228547)
I’m downsizing, would consider selling you my Benelli SuperNova 12 gauge pump action with 4 different choke tubes. Not sure what paperwork is required to make a legal sale?
I think you just need a bill of sale, signed by the buyer and seller. As a seller, I would require identification and include the serial number on the bill of sale.

If I were selling a handgun, I would also require the buyer to have a current concealed carry permit in Florida. That way, you know the buyer has a legal right to own a firearm.

C. C. Rider 06-21-2023 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2228547)
I’m downsizing, would consider selling you my Benelli SuperNova 12 gauge pump action with 4 different choke tubes. Not sure what paperwork is required to make a legal sale?
For the sale to be legal:

1. Both buyer and seller must be (primary) residents of Florida.

2. Neither buyer nor seller can have a felony conviction on his/her record.

3. Neither buyer nor seller can be habitually addicted to illegal drugs or alcohol.

4. Both must be at least 21 years of age.

5. Neither can be under indictment for a felony.

If you meet these conditions and the gun is a legally owned gun, then you don't NEED to have any paperwork done to make the sale.

However, I would recommend that you draw up a simple Bill of Sale stating what is being sold, who the buyer and seller are, date of the sale, and amount gun is being sold for. Then both Buyer and Seller sign the Bill of Sale and furnish a copy of the Bill of Sale to each for their records.

I'm not an attorney and this is not to be construed as legal advice.

dewilson58 06-21-2023 02:09 PM
Shotgun is too noisy.

Elmer Fudd never got his rabbit.

:shocked:

OpusX1 06-21-2023 02:12 PM
Hawks are federally protected. Big fine for intentionally killing, less for accidentally killing.
As far as I know all birds of prey are protected.

retiredguy123 06-21-2023 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C. C. Rider (Post 2228551)
For the sale to be legal:

1. Both buyer and seller must be (primary) residents of Florida.

2. Neither buyer nor seller can have a felony conviction on his/her record.

3. Neither buyer nor seller can be habitually addicted to illegal drugs or alcohol.

4. Both must be at least 21 years of age.

5. Neither can be under indictment for a felony.

If you meet these conditions and the gun is a legally owned gun, then you don't NEED to have any paperwork done to make the sale.

However, I would recommend that you draw up a simple Bill of Sale stating what is being sold, who the buyer and seller are, date of the sale, and amount gun is being sold for. Then both Buyer and Seller sign the Bill of Sale and furnish a copy of the Bill of Sale to each for their records.

I'm not an attorney and this is not to be construed as legal advice.
As a seller, I don't know how you could verify items 2, 3, and 5. I don't think you need to do a background check for a private sale. The safest thing to do would be to require the buyer to have a Florida concealed carry permit.

Kelevision 06-21-2023 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
Well, Hawks are protected by law so you might just want to let nature take its course on this one. I mean you want to kill a bird for killing a bird?!

Jima72 06-21-2023 02:51 PM
Hawks
 
Wouldn’t mind taking out the feral cats decimating our nesting cardinals this year. Not a single nest has had birds survive.

tophcfa 06-21-2023 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jima72 (Post 2228562)
Wouldn’t mind taking out the feral cats decimating our nesting cardinals this year. Not a single nest has had birds survive.
I wouldn’t mind taking out the squirrels that chew holes in our birdcage screens. At least we have a family of bobcats living in the preserve in our back yard that are keeping the squirrel population way down.

tophcfa 06-21-2023 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C. C. Rider (Post 2228551)
For the sale to be legal:

1. Both buyer and seller must be (primary) residents of Florida.

2. Neither buyer nor seller can have a felony conviction on his/her record.

3. Neither buyer nor seller can be habitually addicted to illegal drugs or alcohol.

4. Both must be at least 21 years of age.

5. Neither can be under indictment for a felony.

If you meet these conditions and the gun is a legally owned gun, then you don't NEED to have any paperwork done to make the sale.

However, I would recommend that you draw up a simple Bill of Sale stating what is being sold, who the buyer and seller are, date of the sale, and amount gun is being sold for. Then both Buyer and Seller sign the Bill of Sale and furnish a copy of the Bill of Sale to each for their records.

I'm not an attorney and this is not to be construed as legal advice.
Thanks, good information. That disqualifies me since Florida is not yet my primary residence. Will be eligible for Medicare soon and then I can declare Florida as primary residence, not pay state income taxes, and get homestead exemption. Until then I have to buy insurance through the Massachusetts state exchange to be in network for our doctors up north. I’m otherwise in no hurry to get any older, but can’t wait to be eligible for Medicare and the national network that goes with it.

lkagele 06-21-2023 03:46 PM
Everybody's got to eat.....

jchase 06-21-2023 03:47 PM
Birds
 
You can get a nice air rifle with a scope for around $200.00. They are quiet and believe me they’ll do the trick!

Michael G. 06-21-2023 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
Yeah, quit feeding the birds.

We have bluebird house and between the hawks and black birds,
many hatchings never survive when bird feeders are up.
My neighbors have bird blues and refuse to feed them but never told me why.
Now I know

Bird feeders attract trouble for other birds when they are nesting

fdpaq0580 06-21-2023 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpusX1 (Post 2228554)
Hawks are federally protected. Big fine for intentionally killing, less for accidentally killing.
As far as I know all birds of prey are protected.
And the meat is not as tender or tasty as chicken.

Papa_lecki 06-21-2023 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2228555)
As a seller, I don't know how you could verify items 2, 3, and 5. I don't think you need to do a background check for a private sale. The safest thing to do would be to require the buyer to have a Florida concealed carry permit.
The safest thing to do is use an FFL, and get a background check. Put the transfer on their books.
It’s worth the fee.

MrFlorida 06-21-2023 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jchase (Post 2228575)
You can get a nice air rifle with a scope for around $200.00. They are quiet and believe me they’ll do the trick!
But if you miss, and hit somebody, you'll be a jailbird yourself..

kcrazorbackfan 06-21-2023 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
Do not fire off a weapon in The Villages; probably won’t end well if you are caught.

Bogie Shooter 06-21-2023 04:37 PM
Tongue in check statement has been turned into a lesson on how to buy and sell a long gun and a handgun.
:shrug::sad:

JohnN 06-21-2023 05:43 PM
don't shoot the protected birds.
I think I've read where some people have put some screening around the bird houses and leave enough room for the birds to fly in and out, but yet small enough where predators cannot access the nesting area. Seems it could work.

Protect Backyard Birds From Hawks.

larbud 06-21-2023 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2228548)
I think you just need a bill of sale, signed by the buyer and seller. As a seller, I would require identification and include the serial number on the bill of sale.

If I were selling a handgun, I would also require the buyer to have a current concealed carry permit in Florida. That way, you know the buyer has a legal right to own a firearm.
When I buy I take a cell phone pic of the sellers DL with the firearm. Save to a few places..

larbud 06-21-2023 06:01 PM
You're the problem NOT the Hawk!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.
You're the problem NOT the Hawk!!Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
.You're the problem NOT the Hawk!

dewilson58 06-21-2023 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2228585)
Tongue in check statement has been turned into a lesson on how to buy and sell a long gun and a handgun.
:shrug::sad:
Bingo

C. C. Rider 06-21-2023 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C. C. Rider (Post 2228551)
For the sale to be legal:

1. Both buyer and seller must be (primary) residents of Florida.

2. Neither buyer nor seller can have a felony conviction on his/her record.

3. Neither buyer nor seller can be habitually addicted to illegal drugs or alcohol.

4. Both must be at least 21 years of age.

5. Neither can be under indictment for a felony.

If you meet these conditions and the gun is a legally owned gun, then you don't NEED to have any paperwork done to make the sale.

However, I would recommend that you draw up a simple Bill of Sale stating what is being sold, who the buyer and seller are, date of the sale, and amount gun is being sold for. Then both Buyer and Seller sign the Bill of Sale and furnish a copy of the Bill of Sale to each for their records.

I'm not an attorney and this is not to be construed as legal advice.
Here is a clarification of a couple of things in my previous post (shown above). The federal law is actually LESS restrictive than I indicated above. The seller does NOT have to verify items 2, 3, or 5 above.

It is only required that the seller not KNOWLINGLY sell to someone who would otherwise be disqualified by the issues listed in items 2, 3, or 5 above. In other words, you don't have to do a background check on the buyer.

"Under federal law, private gun sales between unlicensed people are legal so long as (1) the buyer lives in the same state as the seller, and (2) the seller doesn't know (or have reason to believe) that the buyer is prohibited from having a gun. Federal law requires no background checks for these private, intrastate transactions, but many states do."

Is it illegal to buy a gun for someone else? | CriminalDefenseLawyer.com


As for complying with Florida state law, it's the same as the federal law.

"The only requirements are 1) the buyer must be 21 years or older; and 2) the buyer must not be a prohibited person. What if you did not know your neighbor was convicted of a felony many years ago? Could you get in trouble for selling him your Glock? No, only your neighbor would be committing a felony. However, if you knew that he was a prohibited person and you decided to sell the gun to him anyway, then you both are committing felonies. The law does not require you to ask the buyer if he or she is a prohibited person, but if you know you cannot complete the sale."

Selling a Gun In a Pandemic | Florida - U.S. LawShield

sdeikenberry 06-22-2023 04:37 AM
Good grief...leave the hawk alone. Circle of life and all that...enough said.

Two Bills 06-22-2023 04:53 AM
Stop feeding the birds. You are creating the situation.
There is plenty of natural food around to keep them all going.
Birds congregating at food sources will attract predators.
The only time I give any help to our local bird life is when ground is frozen or covered in snow, and then it is minimal and stopped as soon as conditions change.
Fortunately we only have one cat roaming in our area, and he is so fat and lazy, he's not a problem.

La lamy 06-22-2023 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpusX1 (Post 2228554)
Hawks are federally protected. Big fine for intentionally killing, less for accidentally killing.
As far as I know all birds of prey are protected.
:BigApplause::BigApplause:Happy to hear this. Can you imagine shotguns with our properties so close together?!!! BAAAAAAAAAD idea.

Worldseries27 06-22-2023 05:24 AM
Live long and prosper
 
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Originally Posted by tvflguy (Post 2228538)
we love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little house sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If i see another hawk nearby i may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of hawks?
the laws of natural selection

dewilson58 06-22-2023 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 2228619)
Good grief...leave the hawk alone. Circle of life and all that...enough said.
Good Grief................Humor!!!

GizmoWhiskers 06-22-2023 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2228548)
I think you just need a bill of sale, signed by the buyer and seller. As a seller, I would require identification and include the serial number on the bill of sale.

If I were selling a handgun, I would also require the buyer to have a current concealed carry permit in Florida. That way, you know the buyer has a legal right to own a firearm.
July 1 no concealed carry license required; however, FL laws on purchases must still be followed. Not sure how private sales are conducted according to FL law. New purchases will still require background check, 3 day waiting period I had read recently.

Most importantly what goes up must come down. A man died on New Years Eve in Orlando years ago. Some idiot decided to shoot his gun up into the air to celebrate. The bullet came down a couple blocks away and hit a man in the back of his head. You cannot just shoot a shotgun in T V.

Personally I can't watch the circle of life on tv relevant to animals so I get the OP's compassion for the sweet little birds; but a shot gun is not the answer.

crash 06-22-2023 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
We love animals and birds and I need to go get a shotgun to kill the hawk don’t belong in the same post.

If you shoot the hawk you may end up in jail.

GizmoWhiskers 06-22-2023 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2228599)
Bingo
True but stupid is as stupid does. Can't assume all reading posts such as this one would not literally think shooting hawks in residential areas is a great idea. Now crows... hmmmm.

MandoMan 06-22-2023 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
You want to shoot a hawk to protect a bunch of hot-blooded sparrows making ten broods of chicks per year? They are probably on welfare, anyway. That hawk is doing the world a favor.

“The Circle of Life,” is just a polite, euphemistic way of saying “The Circle of Death.” Shoot the sparrows instead.

retiredguy123 06-22-2023 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2228632)
July 1 no concealed carry license required; however, FL laws on purchases must still be followed. Not sure how private sales are conducted according to FL law. New purchases will still require background check, 3 day waiting period I had read recently.

Most importantly what goes up must come down. A man died on New Years Eve in Orlando years ago. Some idiot decided to shoot his gun up into the air to celebrate. The bullet came down a couple blocks away and hit a man in the back of his head. You cannot just shoot a shotgun in T V.

Personally I can't watch the circle of life on tv relevant to animals so I get the OP's compassion for the sweet little birds; but a shot gun is not the answer.
The 3 day waiting period is a Florida law that has been in effect for about a two years or so. The background check is a Federal law that only applies to purchases from a licensed firearm dealer.

Alarmed 06-22-2023 06:02 AM
Guns are on open display with pots and pans at the Webster flea market. Cash and carry.

Rwirish 06-22-2023 06:13 AM
And protect our Hawks.

Just unreal.

Rodneysblue 06-22-2023 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2228538)
We love animals and birds. We have a multilevel birdhouse in our back that has provided shelter and breeding for little House Sparrows. They are so cute and lively. There have been at least 10 broods of these birds over the past few years. Lots of babies hatched. Matter of fact one of the condos has three little ones now chirping for their food.

We also have a nice bird feeder in our front yard. They and other birds love it.

But. Yesterday we saw a Hawk loitering around, and in the afternoon had a little bird in his mouth on our driveway and then finally flew off. We’ve seen Hawks before but never one with (one of our birds) for lunch. Yuck.

Yes, it’s nature and circle of life, but….

If I see another Hawk nearby I may go out to get a shotgun. Gotta protect our little birdies.

Any idea in how to get rid of Hawks?
Get rid of the food factory.

Dusty_Star 06-22-2023 06:48 AM
It might get worse. On a prior thread here on the subject of bird feeders - a poster (I forget who) commented that they had to take their bird feeders down, once the hawks realized an open buffet was on offer.


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