No more gun permits needed
 

Very scary new law. Gun permits are no longer required in Florida. There is still a waiting period to purchase a handgun if you don't have a CCW. Got to be a nightmare for Law Enforcement. Every person they stop is a potential shooter.

Criminals with guns don’t have permits. Who are you more worried about?

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and has been since there were guns.

Well, it is Florida....

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Well, it was inevitable that The-Sky-Is-Falling folks were going to be weighing in today. It is, after all, the first day of Armageddon. Bodies in the streets. The Childerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn in even more mortal danger than they were on June 30. October 26, 1881 Tombstone, AZ will be remembered as an idyllic oasis compared to what Florida in general, and The Villages in particular, will become.

Except that we've heard it all before.

What will happen?

Nothing.

Perhaps you haven’t been outside of Florida in a while. There are 25 other constitutional carry states besides Florida.

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Almost half the Country.

Constitutional Carry States
Throughout the United States, each individual state legislature has their own select rule on constitutional carry and whether or not a permit is required to carry a handgun in public.

The states that allow permitless concealed carry for 21 year olds are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Some states make exceptions for those who are 18 years of age and in the military, allowing them to conceal carry without a permit, these states are: Georgia, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. Other states allow permitless concealed carry for 18 year olds, these include: Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota (only for residents of the state however), South Dakota, and Vermont. Only one state allows concealed carry for 19 year olds, Missouri.

Both governors of Florida and Nebraska have recently signed a law that will also allow residents to conceal carry weapons without a permit.

List of states that allow for permitless concealed carry (PC), followed by age:

Alabama – PC 21 years old
Alaska – PC 21 years old
Arizona – PC 21 years old
Arkansas – PC 18 years old
Georgia – PC 21 years old or 18 for military
Idaho – PC 18 years old
Indiana – PC 18 years old
Iowa – PC 21 years old
Kansas – PC 21 years old
Kentucky – PC 21 years old
Maine – PC 21 years old
Mississippi – PC 18 years old
Missouri – PC 19 years old or 18 for military
Montana – PC 18 years old
New Hampshire – PC 18 years old
North Dakota – PC 18 years old for residents only
Ohio – PC 21 years old
Oklahoma – PC 21 years old or 18 for military
South Dakota – PC 18 years old
Tennessee – PC 21 years old or 18 for military
Texas – PC 21 years old
Utah – PC 21 years old
Vermont – PC 18 years old
West Virginia – PC 21 years old
Wyoming – PC 21 years old

One could move to Chicago or New York City or Detroit if highly restrictive gun control laws make you feel safer.

This, combined with Florida's stand your ground law make Florida a dangerous place.

I believe your assumptions are false. " Every person they stop is a potential shooter..."

The July 1 concealed carry changes makes no difference. Every person they stop has always been a potential shooter! Do you think that criminals have chosen to not carry a weapon because they don't have a permit???? If you do, you are sadly mistaken!!!

In what way?

If you can’t protect yourself, your family, your property, who is going to do that? The police? They aren’t there to protect you. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The only people who are in danger Florida’s stand your ground law are criminals. I have zero sympathy or compassion for them.

I'm worried about all the old drunks in The Villages who can now carry guns. Can you think road rage?

Cool, I can now bring my sig down to Florida and put it in the bed stand drawer instead of a tomahawk. I feel safer already if someone breaks into the house in the middle of the night : )

What part of the new law do you find "Very scary"? Police already view everyone as a potential shooter. It's part of their training.

A criminal will carry a gun without hesitation, law abiding citizens should have the same right. Equal footing as far as I can see.

If "you" are drunk and carrying a gun, "you" have not been waiting for this change in law........drunk & carrying are not law abiding citizens.

If you mean stopped for speeding, they stopped that years ago.

A young mother and her son approach a neighbor to apologize for her kids encroaching on the neighbors property and she is shot dead. Shot fired thru a closed door……..defense stand your ground. Yep a criminal in danger………….
I have zero sympathy for the old lady with a gun!

So is pulling speeders over part of their training.
They must have missed the memo.

Why are people so obsessed with guns?

The key for safe communities is to have effective law and order. More gun control means the ratio of bad guys with guns over good citizens with guns goes up.

If you are afraid of guns then here is a tip. Don't live in any of these cities at the top of this list.
Highest murder rates in the U.S. - The most deadly cities

The key to lowering gun crime is to wipe out generational poverty caused by terrible government policies. No child should be deprived of a quality education in a safe neighborhood.

This does happen unfortunately. The inverse is far more likely to happen. I am armed and will do whatever I have to in order to protect me and my wife from personal injury or death.

The key to safe communities is to remove the revolving doors at the courthouse that let criminals back out on the street. We also need to elect district attorneys who will enforce the law and not be a puppet for the likes of George Soros.

Anyone who buys a gun and then skips the most important part, learning how and when to use that gun, is asking for a world of hurt.

To answer your question, Gun permits are no longer required in Florida.

Continue.............& why is that scary??

"unfortunately?" I suspect it is "unfortunate" right up until you are related to the person on the receiving end. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect you will find a different term to describe it then.

I have no problem with protecting oneself from personal injury or death but shooting through a closed door, shooting through the back window of a car, shooting at a young person because he is black, or shooting 30 rounds through a sliding door without seeing if anyone is on the other side is not protecting oneself. No, it doesn't happen often but again, if you or someone you care about is on the receiving end then I suspect it will feel like it happens too much.

If they never prevented anyone from obtaining a permit then why were they seen as a problem in the first place?

If they *did* prevent some from obtaining a permit then it's scary that those people may now be carrying a weapon.

At the very minimum (and I think it was a minimum) there should have been training on the laws and responsibilities for carrying a weapon. Seeing some of the incidents around the country these days, ANY awareness training might save an innocent person's life.

All common sense observations. First rule. Know your target. Shooting through a door will not accomplish that. All the other scenarios are talked about during the classroom portion for obtaining a carry permit. I am all for gun safety training.

1) They did prevent some.

2) those people would carry with or without a permit.

3) many, many states did not require training and those states have/had reciprocity with Florida.

I think you have been living with a false sense of security as to what a permit to carry was.

But, you need to undergo a Federal background check to legally BUY a gun.

Will be interesting to see how the reciprocity agreements in other states are changed or if they will still require a permit if you carry in their state.

If an individual couldn't qualify for a carry permit, they can't legally carry under the new law. For "constitutional carry" you have to meet the same requirements for a carry permit.

I don't know what your understanding of the stand your ground law is, but it isn't what you think it is. It does not say you can shoot through a closed door at someone. That is why she is being charged.

Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming are constitutional carry states but limit that right to full time residents.

Except there is no longer a requirement to prove that you’re at least a little bit proficient in the safe handling and operation of a firearm.

That’s her defense…..

That only applies if you purchase the gun from a licensed firearm dealer. If it is a private sale, no background check is required.

:1rotfl: Oh, but, I beg to differ — from experience — once having had to disarm a couple of friends who had too much to drink at a party at our house……..

They were off-duty cops. Most certainly law-abiding, and they were not mad at anybody — yet. Mr. Boomer did the disarming — in a charming, disarming way…..

No problem getting their guns — although they were a bit miffed when they sobered up, said they would never have used them — probably right, but not worth taking the chance.

Next morning, we gave them breakfast (no-hair-of-the dog though) — and gave them back their guns and their car keys. (Mr. Boomer had taken those, too.)

It was one helluva party. (a very long time ago) But, at least, we were responsible hosts, even in our much younger days, sort of.

Boomer