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MacScuba 09-03-2023 10:12 AM

"Impossible" car accident
 
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Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

Two Bills 09-03-2023 10:16 AM

Came off roundabout at 50mph?

MacScuba 09-03-2023 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2252604)
Came off roundabout at 50mph?

It would have rolled to the left, not the right.

coffeebean 09-03-2023 10:35 AM

A couple of weeks ago, I saw a car heading north on Morse Blvd; at least I think that was direction the car was going. When I saw it, the car was upside down just like the car in the photo in the OP. This was located several yards north of 466 just outside of an entrance to the first village on the west side. I'm still scratching my head as to how anyone could gain enough speed to roll their car.

Normal 09-03-2023 10:42 AM

Fell
 
Fell off an automobile carrier?

Topspinmo 09-03-2023 10:50 AM

Medical condition? Hit gas instead of brake? Throttle by wire malfunction?

Taltarzac725 09-03-2023 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

What Is a Rollover Car Accident? | Progressive

Tire hit the center of the road curb on driver's side? Seems like it would be further away from that center curb though towards the gate and not away from it. More to the left when viewing the picture unless there is a lot of weight on the passenger side and not so much on the driver's.

Tvflguy 09-03-2023 10:59 AM

No idea. But give me a brake. I mean break.

That certainly took some speed in order to flip. Even hitting the curb at high speed-doubtful to flip a large car as that.

As for the driver, can only assume a medical condition was the cause, hope they were belted. I mean seat, not booze.

I’m sure we’ll read it in The Sun…. Sure.

Taltarzac725 09-03-2023 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2252624)
No idea. But give me a brake. I mean break.

That certainly took some speed in order to flip. Even hitting the curb at high speed-doubtful to flip a large car as that.

As for the driver, can only assume a medical condition was the cause, hope they were belted. I mean seat, not booze.

I’m sure we’ll read it in The Sun…. Sure.


The other news source will probably have something.

villagetinker 09-03-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

I looked at Google maps, it looks like the car was going south on Morse, took the exit to Pinellas place way too fast, and tried to make a U turn before the gates, and car flipped when the passenger side tires hit the curb, I AM JUST GUESSING.

Tom52 09-03-2023 11:55 AM

If that is the Sanibel gate I went past there this morning and saw where a street light had been run over. It would be just out of the picture to the right. The lamp pole was broken off but the lower three feet of the pole was bent but still upright. I assume the driver hit that light pole and the car rode up on the lower section and turned over because it did not break off. I would assume the driver was going at a fairly high rate of speed.

Taltarzac725 09-03-2023 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom52 (Post 2252645)
If that is the Sanibel gate I went past there this morning and saw where a street light had been run over. It would be just out of the picture to the right. The lamp pole was broken off but the lower three feet of the pole was bent but still upright. I assume the driver hit that light pole and the car rode up on the lower section and turned over because it did not break off. I would assume the driver was going at a fairly high rate of speed.

That sounds more plausible.

Taltarzac725 09-03-2023 12:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qzjdH46gY

Hope this works. Car hits a gate that was just opened and flips.

DonH57 09-03-2023 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252610)
It would have rolled to the left, not the right.

I agree. Possibly the driver was northbound on Morse not slowed down in left lane into the roundabout. Had a medical episode and veering left off the curb losing control, flipping into the present spot. That's my guess.

fdpaq0580 09-03-2023 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

Yep! Impossible! I vote photoshop. But the sporty red car screams "type A" personality and heavy foot would have been involved.

MacScuba 09-03-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2252694)
Yep! Impossible! I vote photoshop. But the sporty red car screams "type A" personality and heavy foot would have been involved.

Not Photoshop. Took the picture myself.

MacScuba 09-03-2023 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2252651)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qzjdH46gY

Hope this works. Car hits a gate that was just opened and flips.

Great theory. But I would think the little piece of fence and the box with the red button would have been damaged if they ran up on it.

Impressive video you found!

Papa 09-03-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

Another pic…

coffeebean 09-03-2023 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2252651)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qzjdH46gY

Hope this works. Car hits a gate that was just opened and flips.

Very impressive. I have no idea that could happen at such a low speed.

Taltarzac725 09-03-2023 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2252750)
Very impressive. I have no idea that could happen at such a low speed.

They might have planned that so that they could put it online.

Taltarzac725 09-03-2023 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa (Post 2252742)
Another pic…

That makes it look like some high rate of speed was involved. High rate for the Villages' roads. I do see cars ripping by doing 50 or so once in a while on these 25 mile an hour roads. Maybe the driver hit the gas rather than the brake.

margaretmattson 09-03-2023 07:21 PM

[QUOTE=MacScuba;2252698]Not Photoshop. Took the picture myself.[/QUOTE)

Sadly, I have seen worse. Living here for 20 + years, you learn to expect these kinds of things. Just another day in paradise!

My vote is the driver couldn't wait his turn. Got mad, accelerated, and the rest.....
Well! As they say, a picture is worth 1000 words.

JMintzer 09-03-2023 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2252651)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qzjdH46gY

Hope this works. Car hits a gate that was just opened and flips.

There's something along the wall to the car's right. A post, or something. That appears to be what flipped the car. Makes the light post theory more plausible...

JMintzer 09-03-2023 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2252753)
They might have planned that so that they could put it online.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 09-03-2023 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2252750)
Very impressive. I have no idea that could happen at such a low speed.

Remember, a golf cart flipped (or almost flipped) in a tunnel at a relatively low speed. It hit the wall and just climbed up the side...

huge-pigeons 09-04-2023 05:17 AM

If they were speeding, it couldn’t have been anybody that lives inside the villages. How about trying to make a u-turn around the island to go back into the village?

golfing eagles 09-04-2023 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by huge-pigeons (Post 2252806)
If they were speeding, it couldn’t have been anybody that lives inside the villages. How about trying to make a u-turn around the island to go back into the village?

Because no Villager speeds?????

However, you may be on to something. What if the driver was inattentive and took the exit too quick, (or possibly was forced to turn by some idiot to his left trying to take the first exit, or he was wrong by entering the RB when a car was coming around in the inner lane and similarly forced to exit, possibly when he intended to go straight through). Then, upon seeing the gate and gatehouse, as well as the U-turn break in the island, tried to swing right for radius and then turn left into that break, but hit the passenger side tires against the right hand curb. Depending on speed, that might flip the car. Of course, given the distance to the gate, unless he was driving a junker with bad brakes, there should be enough time to stop, so my vote is for either drunk or texting.

MidWestIA 09-04-2023 05:33 AM

flip
 
When I was a kid I was running my barracuda hard glanced a curb on a curve lost the tire bead and it flipped on it's side. Curb probably involved, brakes & acceleration with bad timing

PS I have been warned running a cart fast down a incline then hard brake will get squirrelly and flip it. Played with a guy that broke a arm as a passenger from that.

maggie1 09-04-2023 06:00 AM

Traffic Crash
 
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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

Absolutely speed-related coupled with inattention or medical event. The driver entered the traffic circle at a speed higher than to negotiate the curve and ran off the right side of the road where the left side of the car struck the light post. He/She overcorrected and pulled hard to the left thus causing the rear of the vehicle to swing around where the inertia of the vehicle was now sliding sideways. The right side of the vehicle then dropped off the curb with the weight now being thrown to the right causing it to roll over and ending upside down.

The vehicle would have had to have skidded across the roadway, but I can see no marks on the roadway to support that theory, so I could be all wrong. Hopefully, the newspaper will explain the details, and if so, I hope someone will give the explanation in tomorrow's TOTV.

golfing eagles 09-04-2023 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 2252820)
Absolutely speed-related coupled with inattention or medical event. The driver entered the traffic circle at a speed higher than to negotiate the curve and ran off the right side of the road where the left side of the car struck the light post. He/She overcorrected and pulled hard to the left thus causing the rear of the vehicle to swing around where the inertia of the vehicle was now sliding sideways. The right side of the vehicle then dropped off the curb with the weight now being thrown to the right causing it to roll over and ending upside down.

The vehicle would have had to have skidded across the roadway, but I can see no marks on the roadway to support that theory, so I could be all wrong. Hopefully, the newspaper will explain the details, and if so, I hope someone will give the explanation in tomorrow's TOTV.

While I agree that is a possible scenario, especially since I had just previously posted the exact same theory, I must also quote Obi Wan Kenobi---"Only a Sith speaks in absolutes":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

srswans 09-04-2023 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
…serious theory on you roll a car …

I that was an SUV I’d say curb, or swerve or some wind. But flipping a big sedan takes some effort. The light pole hypothesis is the best - one end of car up on the pole while the other drops off the curb.

KsJayhawkers 09-04-2023 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

Driver was pulling into the resident entrance and trying to find the gate card when the passenger front tire hit the curb. The driver panicked and hit the accelerator, hit the street light and rode up the pole, rolling the vehicle onto its top.

jimjamuser 09-04-2023 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MacScuba (Post 2252601)
Happened yesterday. West bound Pinellas, just coming off the Morse traffic circle. Can anyone give me a serious theory on you roll a car just before scanning your gate card? Joke answers not requested.

Seriously,.....RED car. Something about those who choose a red car tend to drive more aggressively. This is just a personal theory of mine. I am pointing it out and asking if anyone knows of psychological studies about color preference od car?

NotGolfer 09-04-2023 07:34 AM

That circle is one of the worst! Given the cars going north/south plus the road from Neighborhood Walmart plus Pinellas. I see folks trying to beat other vehicles there ALL the time at the circles. They see "you" coming around and they are already going fast but increase their speed instead of yielding. NOW the "birds" are coming back as well so traffic will increase. I didn't see a post on "the other news" so we'll see perhaps if anything will be posted about this accident.

PFT Man 09-04-2023 07:42 AM

Right Front Tire Position
 
If the right front tire was turned sharply to the left and hit the curb, the force resulting from the momentum at contact would be tremendous. The mass(weight) of the car x speed=force. Average weight car of this type (4,300 lbs.) x 20 mph = 86,000 lbs of force pushing in the right direction, could easily roll a car.

With the vast amount of knowledge in TV, this guess could easily be picked apart. This idea is submitted to offer a look at forces resulting in collisions.

Another example: Golf cart passenger ( not wearing a seat belt)weighing 200 lbs does the same thing going 15 mph. The force created by the passenger to continue in the original direction of travel would be approximately 3000 lbs. Good luck holding to something against that force.

JGibson 09-04-2023 07:50 AM

Ask Tiger.

jimschlaefer 09-04-2023 08:08 AM

The Villages Car Tipping
 
You may have heard of "cow tipping", but this is a spinoff recently seen in The Villages and typically referred to as 'car tipping'. It all started as a misunderstanding when a resident, originally from Indiana, was talking to a friend to mentioned 'cow tipping' and misunderstood what was said due to a hearing aid malfunction. And thus the prank of 'car tipping' was created. Just goes to show that anything is possible "in The Villages"
Happy Labor Day

MrFlorida 09-04-2023 09:11 AM

Hard U turn before gate.

HJBeck 09-04-2023 09:44 AM

Can’t be stupidity, so must be alcohol.

Beyond The Wall 09-04-2023 10:00 AM

🤔
 
I thought things like this only happen when snowbirds are here?


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