UAW may strike!
 

UPS union settled…auto makers will hve to settle too.

Lol…stupid unions…they will get their raises while management will use AI and robotics to replace all those mindless non-educated union dolts.

Only people that will benefit are the overpaid union officials.

Just a matter of time before AI replaces management. AI works for much less than a fortune 500 CEO at 300x the average worker.

Tesla is building a multi-Billion $ factory in Mexico. UAW made cars won't be able to compete on costs.

Amazes me that union uneducated skells think they need more than minumum wage to put a tire on a car.

Just like paying McDonalds burger flippers $15 an hour…oh wait, where did those kiosks come from?

Wow. just wow. You could have a valid point. But is completely lost in the condescending insulting words. And I am not even a fan of unions.

The issues.


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As UAW strike looms, auto workers want 4-day, 32-hour workweek, among other contract demands - CBS News

hmmm. You would think that before entertaining a strike that they would make demands that "sell" to the general public. If their wages have not kept up with inflation, then demanding a wage that has seems like something you could sell and be publicly supported. (Unless the public thought you were way overpaid before.) Stating that we are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and we need to be paid 40 hours for 32 hours of work is non-sensical (in my opinion). 40 hours per week, with inflation adjusted pay seems like reasonable demands that you might get support for. (Although, the unions all proudly support certain folks, who might possibly be responsible for inflation). This could be a case of you get what you voted for. Not intended to be political. If anyone thinks that is, please advise so I can remove it ASAP.

Ride a bike whenever possible.

OK let them go on strike. Since we are not in the need for another car they can work out their differences at their own pace.

This may a long strike.

Ford said that the UAW's proposals would more than double its US labour costs.

And the members 97% of the union's members voted to authorise a strike.

Hard to see common ground there.

Those great labor unions
 

This is why I don't like unions, they are greedy powerhouses and make a mockery of all the hard working Americans who keep plugging along every day. And I would never vote for anyone who promotes them. We all get screwed in the long run. Except the union heads who get richer..

So you will be paying 30-40% more for a Chevy, ford, or ram, which are already overpriced for the quality you get. Every job in these plants are anlready automated so the worker doesn’t have to lift anything heavy, robots help carry, or actually do the more demanding physical work. I hope all of these car manufacturers go broke after they. Implement this and all the workers go from making good money to $0. There are much better made cars here in the US that won’t be affected by this and I hope they all thrive.

Let them strike. Time is our side. Let's see how long all those union workers can survive with $500/week of "strike pay"; can't collect unemployment; no medical benefits. And how long can the union keep up with strike pay before they run out of $$?

I already see some of them crying on national television lamenting about how they are going to survive a strike; already looking to flip burgers or bag groceries.

This will impact many more people than those who may want a new car - restaurants, hotels, grocery stores, etc.

Rates of pay
 

The average employee in the union makes $33.00 per hour about $67000 annually. They want $40.00 per hour which comes out to #80000 annually .

Yes, indeed. Landlords, bank loans, stock market…did you notice that the plants are in many states with an average lower wage to begin with? Time will tell how it all works out

UAW Strike
 

When I started at Ford in Dearborn in 1976 there were 1.5 million UAW active members. Today that number stands at about 400,000. You would think by now the union would understand that you need to be a partner to the companies (getting a fair living) and not demand outrageous hourly rate increases (47%) or lower working hours (32 vs 40) for the same pay.

Uneducated!you mean skills

The last five years of my career I negotiated contracts for my Local. There were two main take aways, first the union members always demanded more than I knew they were going to get. The second was employer's negotiators were just that, hired guns whose jobs depended on bringing whatever was negotiated in at the lowest possible rate even if it was unlivable. It also wasn't just salary, also pensions, health care contribution and working conditions. I still have a copy of the last contract I negotiated there are 27 signatures on their side and mine. There is a book titled "The North Will Rise Again" which is probably out of print, and it laid out what employers and banks did to make a profit without regard to the employees and many times at their expense. As far as AI and Mexico if employers believe they can save a dime per unit they will do so, no matter if they are paying their employees $50 or $5. I know many people are against unions for one reason or another, but I hope you understand that nonunion employee's wages and benefits increase, when union rates and conditions increase, as these nonunion employers have to compete in the labor market.

Just a few things unions haven given all of us, even if you weren't in a union. Non union employees usually got the same thing without paying dues or fighting for those things. The weekend, end of child labor, 40 hour work week, 8 hour day, unemployment benefits, workers comp laws, employer based health insurance, family and medical leave act, fair wages and income equality, safer work places, and pensions are just some of the things unions have done for all of us. Which two or three would you like to give up?

You can thank Henry Ford for the weekends off and a 40 hour week.

Double that to get their total compensation with profit sharing and benefits.

“skell (plural skells) (slang, US, New York) a homeless person, especially one who sleeps in the New York subway.” Do you have any reason to believe the union members who work for car companies are homeless? Actually, they own homes and buy cars and pay a lot more in taxes than people who work for minimum wage. Do you have any reason to think that they are stupider than non-union workers who earn less and have worse benefits? Do you really think that union members should have to work for minimum wage? Thousands of Villagers live here because their union wages and pensions and other benefits made that possible. They aren’t wealthy, but they are here, and they are honest Americans who used to work hard.

I was a member of the union at the university where I taught for 34 years. My union dues were 1% of salary, my salary was a little higher than some other schools in the area, but we fought for fair salaries for adjunct professors who were being paid poorly, and we got them. It’s because of my union that my school and I set aside retirement funds for me, and that is why I can afford to live in The Villages today.

I don’t like to see unions over-reaching, and many have, and some have been dishonest, but study histories of the American labor movement and see how unions have worked to get union members fair pay instead of minimum pay.

IF the UAW gets the 40% raise over four years that it is asking for, which isn’t likely, at the END of those four years the average salary will go up to $32 an hour. That’s $66,000 a year, before taxes and FICA and pension and union dues. How much did you earn before you retired? The UAW is also asking for a yearly cost of living allowance. You’ve been complaining about inflation. Your Social Security got an 8.7% COL allowance this year. So the people actually working don’t deserve that?

Unions destroyed the Big Three once and it looks like they want to do it again. I'm thinking there is some collusion with management, as usual, since EV's and new cars in general aren't selling and there is an oversupply of both which a strike will help eliminate. I think vehicles, especially EV's are crazily overpriced and the consumer won't be able to pay higher prices for the vehicles that would be necessary with wage increases. Good luck.

Unions on strike, and your other jobs are being outsourced to India and the Philippines.... we are in trouble...

$80,000 a year due to inflation and the the government printing money digitally( our dollar is devalued ) is not that much when you look at what the costs are for housing, groceries, gasoline, electric, natural gas , etc etc . So in essence the middle class are slowly decreasing in numbers . I think unions are more important now than ever .

Public opinion of unions might be better if they didn't use union dues to contribute to political parties and simply invested in those who pay them with a percentage of their wages...

I took micro and macro economics in college over 35 years ago, so I remember some and many things sound familiar, but I am far from an expert (or whatever the term is for the next few levels down). From a brief bit of research, I found this:
"The 5 causes of inflation are increase in wages, increase in the price of raw materials, increase in taxes, decline in productivity, increase in money supply."

From my perspective and experience, unions are a negative factor in 4 of the 5 causes.

Hahahaha....sure like to find out what you did for a living!

From my perspective as a union member and a supervisor, unions are a necessary "evil".
They have many excesses and negative effects on companies and the government, yet they are necessary because (much of) management does such stupid and heartless stuff all the time.

Ford CEO Jim Farley made $21 million in 2022. Sounds fair!!!

For those things listed that the union actually gave us or had a major influence in, I don't want to give up any and I am appreciative of all they they did. But, there are too many wrongs that they have done to list and ask you which ones you support.

Who actually believes that life is or is supposed to be fair?
What does fair actually mean in this case?

Reading your response, it seems unless you're a CEO in this country you are stupid. Also, that people should not have the right to demand what they believe they are worth. I get the impression instead of people trying to increase their wealth for themselves and their families you believe other than the boss everyone should be living in a cardboard box.

Wow. You missed the intent of that post by 100%. The post was acknowledging some excesses while touting the benefits of unions. And even if your understanding of the overall perspective was correct, where does someone come up with them saying "everyone but the CEO is stupid" or "every one but the boss should be living in a card board box." My only guess is that you replied to the wrong post (I have had that happen where I thought I clicked reply on one and it brought up a different post than intended.)

There were reasons unions came to be and still exist. If you want to end unions, then there should be a move to profit sharing.
I was a negotiator in an industry where it is well known for its profits and wealth. Yet when I sat across the table with the company's negotiators, they cried poverty. It was almost laughable. I was friendly with the people I was in the room with, because I knew they were hired to do one job, to bring in the contract as low as they could. It didn't matter if the employees were making a living wage or not or if they were working in safe conditions or not. I don't totally understand all the issues the UAW are having, but I do know when the auto industry was in trouble not only did the government step in with taxpayer's back loans, but the union made a lot of concessions.
As the companies start to recover management increased their benefits and held the union to its concessions. There is something wrong with this. If the unions have to stay where they are than management should do the same and the investors should be the ones reaping the profits.

So I grew up in a union house. When unions used to take care of their employees. Now the unions just seem to be bullies and push their weight around demanding monthly payments from their members regardless of how they feel.
And some of these people where do you get your numbers from? I don’t know but I’ve heard it multiple times they wanted 46% pay increase over four years. And they want to work 32 hours a week and get paid for 40 hours a week. who gets paid for things they don’t do?

The only thing new about this UAW strike is that it against the Big 3 at one time.

I totally apologize, the minute I read stupid in your post I went ballistic. Now that I reread you posting I totally agree with you.

Unions did a great job improving working conditions. When they prevented companies from either firing people for cause or require people to actually work and became unreasonable asking for higher wages whether or not the company could afford it they lost a lot of their benefit.