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SaveTownofLadyLake 12-10-2023 04:11 PM

Save Your Town of Lady Lake
 
The Town has approved 8,500 new residential communities that ARE NOT 55+. There are several properties that are asking Town for re-zoning and annexation to allow another potential 10,000 more just in the immediate area of Griffin Ave and also 466 area.

Tell your Ward Commissioners to VOTE NO on these requests. We have enough traffic and other inconveniences such as not being able to get timely medical appointments. Please tell Town and Commission NO MORE DENSITY

manaboutown 12-10-2023 06:59 PM

Build baby build.

Topspinmo 12-10-2023 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281302)
The Town has approved 8,500 new residential communities that ARE NOT 55+. There are several properties that are asking Town for re-zoning and annexation to allow another potential 10,000 more just in the immediate area of Griffin Ave and also 466 area.

Tell your Ward Commissioners to VOTE NO on these requests. We have enough traffic and other inconveniences such as not being able to get timely medical appointments. Please tell Town and Commission NO MORE DENSITY

So you think they will listen?

blueash 12-10-2023 11:22 PM

Wow, if each of these 8500 communities has 125 people that is a million new residents in Lady Lake. It will get crowded with a million new people. If only they were all OVER 55+, then at least it would still get quiet at 9 PM

SaveTownofLadyLake 12-11-2023 05:50 AM

It’s not 8,500 communities it’s 8,500 additional people in 3 communities. There is the very real potential that many more of these communities are coming and very soon.

The answer to whether the Commission will listen is Yes if you go and make your voice heard. You voted for them to support and protect your interests.

You can live your life being an optimist or a pessimist. Which choice serves you better.

Arctic Fox 12-11-2023 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281302)
The Town has approved 8,500 new residential communities that ARE NOT 55+

Exactly. Why should people younger than us expect to have a house to live in?

Except for those happy to serve us in restaurants and do our gardens, of course - they can stay.

eyc234 12-11-2023 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 2281400)
Exactly. Why should people younger than us expect to have a house to live in?

Except for those happy to serve us in restaurants and do our gardens, of course - they can stay.

:BigApplause: Yep that is what they beleive, NIMBY.

Blueblaze 12-11-2023 07:31 AM

I'm supposed to be concerned about 8500 young people? Why would 8500 young people move here, other than to take a job serving us old folks?

I just hope a couple of them are doctors with a medical degree from a place I can pronounce!

Normal 12-11-2023 08:01 AM

Yes…misquoted
 
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2281367)
Wow, if each of these 8500 communities has 125 people that is a million new residents in Lady Lake. It will get crowded with a million new people. If only they were all OVER 55+, then at least it would still get quiet at 9 PM

Lol…definitely a misquote, even for this area.

Likely trying to throw an alarmist’s warning on the new home tract near Harbor Hills that is being built either way.

SaveTownofLadyLake 12-11-2023 12:44 PM

These are very real concerns, you think traffic is bad now, it's going to get a lot worse. Forget about getting a doctors appointment in a reasonable amount of time. This isn't an alarmist ringing a bell, it's a reality.

If the thought of the 8,500 young people coming in and partaking in your daily town square activities at your expense doesn't bother you then you can go about your day. When the additional 10,000 more come in will it still not be a concern or will you just move?

Educate yourself, look at Stopgrandoaks.com and see for yourself. This is a reality not a scare tactic.

Randall55 12-11-2023 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281589)
These are very real concerns, you think traffic is bad now, it's going to get a lot worse. Forget about getting a doctors appointment in a reasonable amount of time. This isn't an alarmist ringing a bell, it's a reality.

If the thought of the 8,500 young people coming in and partaking in your daily town square activities at your expense doesn't bother you then you can go about your day. When the additional 10,000 more come in will it still not be a concern or will you just move?

Educate yourself, look at Stopgrandoaks.com and see for yourself. This is a reality not a scare tactic.

Where do you expect the people who work in this area to live? In towns, hours away from their jobs? Yes, it will get crowded. Most of us realized this years ago. We each have two choices: accept the Villages will be as large as Tampa and Orlando or move.

Papa_lecki 12-11-2023 02:15 PM

Who wants to do a search of TOTV and find all the complaints of bad service in restaurants, etc?

cjrjck 12-11-2023 02:26 PM

I assume that Lady Lake needs the growing tax base just like Wildwood and Leesburg do. I imagine that the town watched in awe as The Villages expanded over the last 3 decades and other than the original historic section and a fews parts across 441 in Lake County, the town of Lady Lake was left out of the tax revenue derived from the homes being built but had to deal with the traffic nonetheless. To this day, much of the retail business in and around TV is on or near 441. This should change over time but that area will still remain vibrant.

manaboutown 12-11-2023 03:03 PM

This is a free country. Owners of private property have rights. If zoning and such is ok they should be able to proceed. If nothing were ever built the few humans alive would still be living in caves.

SaveTownofLadyLake 12-11-2023 04:11 PM

Yes, I agree to your statement that the owner of a property has rights, my rights are being impacted. I bought and invested my home in a rural setting now someone is coming in and pushing me out of my property.

If I came in and put a High School in your front yard without you having prior knowledge would you open your arms to it?

There are those who like and enjoy urban and those who like and enjoy rural. What right does someone have to come in and force urban on me without my permission.

Are you saying we can only vote on what others think we should have?

JSR22 12-11-2023 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281302)
The Town has approved 8,500 new residential communities that ARE NOT 55+. There are several properties that are asking Town for re-zoning and annexation to allow another potential 10,000 more just in the immediate area of Griffin Ave and also 466 area.

Tell your Ward Commissioners to VOTE NO on these requests. We have enough traffic and other inconveniences such as not being able to get timely medical appointments. Please tell Town and Commission NO MORE DENSITY

Housing for younger people is needed. There are thousands under 55 working in the area. They need a place to live.

Arctic Fox 12-11-2023 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281646)
Yes, I agree to your statement that the owner of a property has rights, my rights are being impacted. I bought and invested my home in a rural setting now someone is coming in and pushing me out of my property.

Sorry, I hadn't realized that all 8,500 would be camping in your back yard, or building shacks there.

I wonder what those who lived here in the 1980's think of 120,000+ old folks moving in to their neighborhood?

And what about the Native Americans who were the original residents? I'm sure they're delighted that we're all here enjoying ourselves.

Oh, and Merry Christmas.

tophcfa 12-11-2023 05:31 PM

I have mixed feelings about this, but one thing is for certain. Further diluting the already horrible and overstressed health care system in the area is a very real concern/problem.

SaveTownofLadyLake 12-11-2023 07:16 PM

You can joke about this all you want, the homes are low, middle income mobile homes price point high of 170k.

Not sure what type of good natured, educated doctors and health care workers that’s going to bring in and yes I’ll have a merry Christmas while I’m sitting in your chair at the square.

photo1902 12-11-2023 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281687)
You can joke about this all you want, the homes are low, middle income mobile homes price point high of 170k.

Not sure what type of good natured, educated doctors and health care workers that’s going to bring in and yes I’ll have a merry Christmas while I’m sitting in your chair at the square.

Snarky comment:1
Your credibility now:0

Congrats on your cause

manaboutown 12-11-2023 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281687)
You can joke about this all you want, the homes are low, middle income mobile homes price point high of 170k.

Not sure what type of good natured, educated doctors and health care workers that’s going to bring in and yes I’ll have a merry Christmas while I’m sitting in your chair at the square.

The squares are and have always been open to the public.

This post seems snobbish as “not in my backyard”. But it ain’t your property...

SaveTownofLadyLake 12-12-2023 06:19 AM

One’s passion to save historical trees and ensuring a safe comfortable quality of life tends to make for an overwhelming amount of passion, especially when it’s in one’s backyard.

Cigarette smoke, tree preservation, traffic congestion, road construction for years on end and good quality medical care in a timely manner are pretty significant things to be worried about to say the least

My intentions are not to be snarky I’m just I guess letting my emotions get involved a bit and I apologize for that

MikeN 12-12-2023 06:32 AM

Density
 
Sounds like a case of “I got mine, close the gate after me “ mentality
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281302)
The Town has approved 8,500 new residential communities that ARE NOT 55+. There are several properties that are asking Town for re-zoning and annexation to allow another potential 10,000 more just in the immediate area of Griffin Ave and also 466 area.

Tell your Ward Commissioners to VOTE NO on these requests. We have enough traffic and other inconveniences such as not being able to get timely medical appointments. Please tell Town and Commission NO MORE DENSITY


Normal 12-12-2023 06:33 AM

Needs to Be Constructed
 
Oh the horror

Another Orange Blossom is being built!

Gasp

banjobob 12-12-2023 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2281333)
Build baby build.

Another 8500 residents to possibly swim in our pools ,play on our courts, attend free music on the squares, create more traffic and ,drugs,crime. Bring'em on Build Baby Build

Jameson 12-12-2023 07:04 AM

I suppose if someone is truly committed to preserving a rural feel you would campaign to tear down the Villages since it also "ruined" the rural feel for the people living here before it was built. Those previous residents "rights" didn't matter then either.

midiwiz 12-12-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2281367)
Wow, if each of these 8500 communities has 125 people that is a million new residents in Lady Lake. It will get crowded with a million new people. If only they were all OVER 55+, then at least it would still get quiet at 9 PM

that 9pm only applies to this 55+ community.... no idea why but it does

GizmoWhiskers 12-12-2023 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281302)
The Town has approved 8,500 new residential communities that ARE NOT 55+. There are several properties that are asking Town for re-zoning and annexation to allow another potential 10,000 more just in the immediate area of Griffin Ave and also 466 area.

Tell your Ward Commissioners to VOTE NO on these requests. We have enough traffic and other inconveniences such as not being able to get timely medical appointments. Please tell Town and Commission NO MORE DENSITY

Lots of federal, state and local agendas creating these huge developments to fill up local lands. Low cost or free federal $$ a lot of the time going to municipalities under the guides of "affordable housing" $15/hr employees still can't afford.

Wildwood, Lady Lake the list goes on. Local elections have consequences. 466A development for "affordable housing" by DR Horton, with stake holders most famous, soros. Maybe we'll see soros in a decorated golf cart in T V. D R Horton cares about Villagers having "workers" to care for us for sure.

Lady Lake, who needs farm land?

It's funny how Villagers keep thinking all the multi-unit mass developments are for workers in our stores and McD's when these thousands of units are sitting empty. This area is not seeing mass development of stores needing thousands of workers, is it?? Did I miss something?

Where are the new hospitals?? Now that would be a good local investment.

What is happening everywhere are agendas benefiting developers. Develop and get paid federal $$ at a local level to build. T V is not seeing mass flocks of workers arriving to fill the thousands of empty units all up and down 301, 466A, Powell Rd. Lady Lake's dream team commissioners now seeing the $$ probably.

Yes, showing up to be heard is important if one cares about the landscape of their town. FYI there are numerous state grants available from the government to assist first time home buyers. Not well known about for our Village workers. Why rent when one can own?

Just need economic positivity to occur to make the current homes that have been built already in Lady Lake and Wildwood to become affordable via lower interest rates maybe?

G.R.I.T.S. 12-12-2023 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281302)
The Town has approved 8,500 new residential communities that ARE NOT 55+. There are several properties that are asking Town for re-zoning and annexation to allow another potential 10,000 more just in the immediate area of Griffin Ave and also 466 area.

Tell your Ward Commissioners to VOTE NO on these requests. We have enough traffic and other inconveniences such as not being able to get timely medical appointments. Please tell Town and Commission NO MORE DENSITY

My hope is that Lady Lake engages engineers who will make traffic accessing any new development flow smoothly. There are noticeable access problems along 466 and it would be to the advantage of anyone traveling in the area to not duplicate those mistakes. Being proactive is the best course. Your best course of action would be to ensure your commissioners have great planners and follow their advice.

mjr0773 12-12-2023 07:44 AM

This was easily predictable
 
If you bought a house in central Florida and didn’t think the area would build up, you made a big mistake. The same was true 20+ years ago.

defrey12 12-12-2023 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281589)
These are very real concerns, you think traffic is bad now, it's going to get a lot worse. Forget about getting a doctors appointment in a reasonable amount of time. This isn't an alarmist ringing a bell, it's a reality.

If the thought of the 8,500 young people coming in and partaking in your daily town square activities at your expense doesn't bother you then you can go about your day. When the additional 10,000 more come in will it still not be a concern or will you just move?

Educate yourself, look at Stopgrandoaks.com and see for yourself. This is a reality not a scare tactic.

Do you actually think 8500 young people want to hang out with a bunch of old people dancing to the same bands and music night in and night out. I don’t. We quit going to the squares when we realized they’re little more than a marketing tool. And we don’t pay for them anyway…the businesses do.

Bill14564 12-12-2023 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281589)
These are very real concerns, you think traffic is bad now, it's going to get a lot worse. Forget about getting a doctors appointment in a reasonable amount of time. This isn't an alarmist ringing a bell, it's a reality.

If the thought of the 8,500 young people coming in and partaking in your daily town square activities at your expense doesn't bother you then you can go about your day. When the additional 10,000 more come in will it still not be a concern or will you just move?

Educate yourself, look at Stopgrandoaks.com and see for yourself. This is a reality not a scare tactic.

From what I have read, Grand Oaks is proposing 800 homes and Water Oaks is proposing about 300. Where are the other 7,400 homes that have been approved and 10,000 waiting to be approved?

Assuming the proper approvals, your neighbor has a right to develop his property. You do not have a right to your picturesque view. Want a nice view that is guaranteed for the future? Purchase the property yourself.

Normal 12-12-2023 08:00 AM

Drawings Look Better
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2281764)
From what I have read, Grand Oaks is proposing 800 homes and Water Oaks is proposing about 300. Where are the other 7,400 homes that have been approved and 10,000 waiting to be approved?

Assuming the proper approvals, your neighbor has a right to develop his property. You do not have a right to your picturesque view. Want a nice view that is guaranteed for the future? Purchase the property yourself.

And the drawings look like the whole development is a vast improvement over Orange Blossom and The Villages section which is mobile homes!

defrey12 12-12-2023 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SaveTownofLadyLake (Post 2281646)
Yes, I agree to your statement that the owner of a property has rights, my rights are being impacted. I bought and invested my home in a rural setting now someone is coming in and pushing me out of my property.

If I came in and put a High School in your front yard without you having prior knowledge would you open your arms to it?

There are those who like and enjoy urban and those who like and enjoy rural. What right does someone have to come in and force urban on me without my permission.

Are you saying we can only vote on what others think we should have?

I think you’re a bit confused. Property rights are just that. Rights. Given in the Constitution. You’re just a “NIMBY” guy. It’s their property to do with as the law—ZONING—allows. You just don’t like it. It’s called progress. If you don’t like it, YOU have the right and freedom to move. This is still America…last I checked.

Bill14564 12-12-2023 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2281766)
And the drawings look like the whole development is a vast improvement over Orange Blossom and The Villages section which is mobile homes!

But according to their website:
Manufactured Home - The term "Manufactured Home" was conceived by the Mobile Home manufacturers and dealers in the late 1970's in an attempt to destigmatize the "mobile home" and increase sales. A Manufactured Home is a mobile home and is not the same as a Modular House! Removing the hitch and axles does not suddenly transform a mobile home into a Modular House.

jimjamuser 12-12-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2281367)
Wow, if each of these 8500 communities has 125 people that is a million new residents in Lady Lake. It will get crowded with a million new people. If only they were all OVER 55+, then at least it would still get quiet at 9 PM

Over 55 or under 55, Florida has a PROBLEM of the population growth ALWAYS exceeding the roads to handle the bigger population. And roads are just one obvious downside to RAPID population growth. Government services, Police, and other services will be spread thin. The older middle class in this area will be the BIG loser.

jimjamuser 12-12-2023 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 2281400)
Exactly. Why should people younger than us expect to have a house to live in?

Except for those happy to serve us in restaurants and do our gardens, of course - they can stay.

The obvious question is......do lower wage workers bring ANY problems with them into a "so-called" over-55 community. If retirees wanted to live close to the younger population, they would have moved to Orlando or Tampa. But, they EXPECTED a certain lifestyle from a large over-55 community like The Villages.

ThirdOfFive 12-12-2023 08:38 AM

With all due respect…this smacks of “I have my little piece of heaven. Now everyone else stay away”.

airstreamingypsy 12-12-2023 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2281793)
With all due respect…this smacks of “I have my little piece of heaven. Now everyone else stay away”.

The fear is, the little piece of heaven will be Orlando in 5 years....... it's certainly headed in that direction.

jimjamuser 12-12-2023 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2281608)
Where do you expect the people who work in this area to live? In towns, hours away from their jobs? Yes, it will get crowded. Most of us realized this years ago. We each have two choices: accept the Villages will be as large as Tampa and Orlando or move.

The question is if it is POSSIBLE to have GROWTH without undermining the good qualities of the current lifestyle here. That is what residents are worried about.


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