TARPON BOIL Executive Course Condition
 

Tarpon Boil condition 2-16-24

Sanding spiking, etc. is part of regular maintenance.
Whether the course should be closed during the work is another question.

We played Churchill, Lowlands,and Mickey Lee this past week. Greens were great. Reddish, Tarpon, and Bonita are terrible. They should be closed impossible to putt on

Play on!

If you mean aeration & top dressing, that doesn't look like what was done to that Green.

I've never played an Executive Course, so my knowledge is only anecdotal and mostly from this site.

If I moved to TV with the understanding I'd be able to play "free golf" to my heart's content and I assumed that the courses would be maintained to the quality I saw when I bought my home, I'd be pretty damn PO'd with what I see of the Exec courses.

Why isn't anyone do anything about it? Doesn't the CDD have the obligation to continue to provide what you were sold in the first place?

If "free" golf was why you agreed to buy in TV and assume that Amenity Fee ... why aren't there picket lines at the CDD offices and people withholding their Amenity fee? Why all the complaining, but a lack of action on behalf of the "tax (fee) paying public"?

First world problems

Withholding their amenity fee? That won't work out well ;-)

Probably not. But with all the complaining, why not do something?

Maybe ... bring 1000 of your like minded friends to the Golf/CDD Office, line up around the corner ... complain in person, one by one and wait for the press to show up?

Maybe a golf cart parade, with slogans and signs?

I'm the first to admit that the Championship courses are in abysmal condition, but that's a different story. They're privately owned and the owner is entitled to maintain them as he feels necessary and he's entitled to not serve the folks who don't like it.

The Executives are a whole different story. "Government" is not providing what they promised and charge for.

.... or perhaps some folks are complaining because they're not playing well?

So basically talk as fact, based on what you read on the internet.

The executives are fine, some are worse than others, but it’s lots of holes of golf all winter, no snow, with great people.
The amenity fee is spread among a lot of things, it’s not like it only pays for executive golf.
I think the contractors who maintain the courses aren’t monitored or held to the standard in the contract as close as they should.

I played Evans Prairie today. It was fine, not great, and certainly not in as good shape as my country club at home (which is under 6” of snow). But I didn’t have to write a 6 figure check for access to Evans prairie plus thousands of dollars of dues every year.

No, I did not mean aeration and top dressing.
Seen sanded greens and tee boxes, as in pictures, on many occasions on courses, some they spike, others just sanded.
I even spike and sand my lawn at home once a year.

First of all, I don't complain about the executives and I have zero desire to participate in a golf cart parade and make signs. That is just silly talk. There is a large variance in the quality of the executives. Why this is so, I don't know. I am reasonable sure the folks responsible for the maintenance aren't happy with the situation on some of the courses. The conditions on the courses with issues probably won't improve until the weather warms up. I suspect the management would like to shut down some of the courses (Bonita Pass comes to mind) but the high demand for tee times may prevent that from happening.

Is that sand on the greens. If so, that is normal maintenance. Unfortunately, due to colder temps in Central Florida it is needed in the winter.

Yes, that's sand on those greens, filling in all the dead areas killed by fungus. It is not the time of year to aerate and top dress the greens. But it is the only thing you can do when all else fails. Likely the mowers carrying the disease from one green to the next on those three courses.

I have found playing golf in and around TV at this time of year is a bit dicey in that you don’t always know what you’re going to get in terms of course conditions. Online course reviews can be helpful if you can find them and they are recent. I always try to do some homework lest risk having a bad experience.

tarpon boil
 

there is a posted maint. schedule,tells you when they sand !!!!

If you haven’t seen these 3 holes yourself, it might be hard to realize how bad they are. Something went wrong.

I don't believe those are sanded greens, I played Bonita Springs a couple of weeks ago and every green was in terrible shape, looking alot like what is posted above. Hardly any grass on them, appears there is some sort of disease that has killed the grass. Almost impossible to putt on them.

It is a real Catch-22 For the executive courses this time of year. There is tremendous pressure for tee times with the added population, and closing courses would lead to people screaming. It is not the growing season, and it takes a very long time to rejuvenate a green this time of year, so people scream about that, too. My belief is that many of these courses are being kept open simply to satisfy the demand for tee times. I look for many of them to be closed in the spring in order to properly rehab the greens.

Golf course ownership?
 

So, the monthly amenity fee pays for maintenance of executive courses (among lots of other things), but the championship courses get funded differently?

Building more homes makes $$$; maintaining amenities costs them money. Collecting $180.00 per month from 75,000 or so homes brings in $13,500,000.00 monthly.

My understanding is that the Developer turned over management and maintenance of the Championship courses (retaining ownership) to local governance (us) as it's presently done on the Executive Courses. This means "we" are responsible for the condition of the courses as "we" manage the operations department. An e-mail followed by a call to the Executive Golf Maintenance head to ask about Tarpon Boil two weeks ago has not been returned. So in essence, we're doing this, poor maintenance, to ourselves. My suggestion is to contact our local, elected, commissioners with complaints.

The Championship courses are privately owned (by the Developer).

Admittedly, the relationship is complicated. The Championship courses provide management for the Executive courses at some level and as of the end of last year, all (or mostly all) of the Championship courses' employees (starters, ambassadors, etc) are employees of the CDD and contracted to the Developer/Championship courses.

I freely admit to being confused by all the inter-relationships, but the answer to your question is ... in theory, no portion of the Amenity Fees go to the Championship courses and no portion of money spent at a "Championship Club" goes to the CDD.

Yeah, except that RedFish Run greens (and I use that term loosely :) ) were black, not white. Must be some sort of maintenance. I still enjoyed the round. Maintenance is required on occasion.

What did the golf department say when you called?

See post #21

My understanding, was the Developer decided to transfer their Championship Golf Course employees to the CDD and contract with the CDD's to provide services. The reports I read, didn't say "maintenance" employees or maintenance contracts were changed in any way.

https://www.**************.com/2023/...-golf-courses/

Played Bonita on Friday just as bad. Took it and Tarpon off our play list. Many 9 hole courses going this route and some Championship.Kilideere & Osprey at Evans Priarie are not worth the mone greens are flat, but mostly no grass just rolled soil..

As the OP has not returned to update, can't confirm what is there.
But.
I bet the farm it is sand.
I use Silica Sand myself when I do my lawn.

There in lies the difference. You're putting it on a "lawn", which implies there's grass to begin with.

a shame, but they are quick!!

Sanding Spiking ??? NO ITS CALL PAINTING SAND!!! Close the course and get it fixed!!

We should get a protest started Down in the New section where they are selling the NEW HOMES..:swear: Do that for a week and you will see results. Protest, Protest, Protest!!! If you don’t do something about it, Nothing will be done ✅

You are probably right? You get it organized, and if I have no medical conflicts I'll bring a chair and sit in support. Keep us informed here.

Yet they keep building homes.........You can clearly see where the priority is

I noticed that you posted the same pics and diatribe on the other site. In the future, I would suggest not posting your wife's pic on that site.

Try that and see how that works out for those who participate.

So tell everyone when your group starts that so we can see how everyone failed at the end of the day, week, month, year - any amount of time your group wants to waste.

I don't play Executives, so it's not my battle.

That said, I don't understand why no one is doing anything about the conditions, if they're truly as bad as folks say.

At some level, don't the CDD's have to be responsive to the needs/wants of their constituency? In a normal government/resident structure, wouldn't the residents/taxpayers try to do something about it, rather than just complain?

Just a reminder. This is the time of year that the courses are under the most stress. Massive influx of players using the courses all day, every day. Excessive wear and tear and, being that this is also the time of year when grass, among othe things, is dormant, there will be no recovery until the birds have headed north again. It will take all of spring and summer to try and get things ready for the next season migrating hoards. When autumn comes and things go dormant and the first arrivals begin to swell the ranks of golfers, the courses that have mostly just recovered, will again be under duress and unable to fill in bare patches. The complaint cycle will be complete for another year.

I disagree. We played that course and Redfish 2 weeks ago. The greens were the worst I've seen...anywhere. More bare spots than grass.

It's not from too much wear and tear. It's beyond that, something has infected those greens and they need redone.
The starter even told us "don't try to putt, just take 2 strokes and move on".
That said, I played Palmetto last week and the greens were very good and it gets just as much use.

Bottom line, they need to fix those greens.