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sam&rog 03-27-2024 06:19 PM

Are the districts being conned again?
 
The developer is promoting turning over inside deed restrictions to the districts under the guise of stopping under age kids living here.

Sounds good until you realize that enforcement of short term rentals would also be included.

Airbnb website lists 1000 plus rentals under The Villages Fl.

Imagine the costs to address this with lawyer fees and court costs paid by us. Because the developer sees what is happening and wants to pawn another problem onto the districts.
Time to say no thank you.

Shipping up to Boston 03-27-2024 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sam&rog (Post 2316268)
The developer is promoting turning over inside deed restrictions to the districts under the guise of stopping under age kids living here.

Sounds good until you realize that enforcement of short term rentals would also be included.

Airbnb website lists 1000 plus rentals under The Villages Fl.

Imagine the costs to address this with lawyer fees and court costs paid by us. Because the developer sees what is happening and wants to pawn another problem onto the districts.
Time to say no thank you.

All due respect, this one was covered extensively in a recent thread.

JoMar 03-27-2024 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam&rog (Post 2316268)
The developer is promoting turning over inside deed restrictions to the districts under the guise of stopping under age kids living here.

Sounds good until you realize that enforcement of short term rentals would also be included.

Airbnb website lists 1000 plus rentals under The Villages Fl.

Imagine the costs to address this with lawyer fees and court costs paid by us. Because the developer sees what is happening and wants to pawn another problem onto the districts.
Time to say no thank you.

In my view, doesn't matter. The Developer didn't enforce them and I doubt the District will either.

rustyp 03-27-2024 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 2316270)
In my view, doesn't matter. The Developer didn't enforce them and I doubt the District will either.

A good argument for leaving it with the developer. Nothing from nothing equals nothing.

Shipping up to Boston 03-27-2024 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2316275)
A good argument for leaving it with the developer. Nothing from nothing equals nothing.

I like that
I usually say ' nothing changes if nothing changes '

margaretmattson 03-27-2024 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 2316270)
In my view, doesn't matter. The Developer didn't enforce them and I doubt the District will either.

The new Florida bill mandates enforcement. Owners will have to register their homes with the local government. Two occupants per room and someone must be available 24 hours to handle complaints. The developer has the most rentals in the community. I guess we will have to wait and see how this plays out. I would vote NO until I knew all the facts. Enforcement is handled by the local governments? Or who?

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-27-2024 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2316287)
The new Florida bill mandates enforcement. Owners will have to register their homes with the local government. Two occupants per room is allowed and someone must be available 24 hours to handle complaints. The developer has the most rentals in the community. I guess we will have to wait and see how this plays out. I would vote NO until I knew all the facts. Enforcement is handled by the local governments? Or who?

The developer also owns its own property management company, and actually does a good job handling those properties.

The properties that are "problem" rentals are owned by individuals who think they don't need a property manager at all, but don't live nearby to handle anything if something goes wrong.

dewilson58 03-28-2024 05:33 AM

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JoMar 03-28-2024 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2316287)
The new Florida bill mandates enforcement. Owners will have to register their homes with the local government. Two occupants per room and someone must be available 24 hours to handle complaints. The developer has the most rentals in the community. I guess we will have to wait and see how this plays out. I would vote NO until I knew all the facts. Enforcement is handled by the local governments? Or who?

Not only about rentals, internal also goes to having kids live with you, kids staing more than 30 days a year, noise complaints. Also, not sure the state bill has any teeth in it or how they will enforce.

Stu from NYC 03-28-2024 05:46 PM

The developer is not going to lose any money by doing this

Shipping up to Boston 03-28-2024 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2316521)
The developer is not going to lose any money by doing this

Correct
Most developers do just that ....develop.
They leave maintenance and enforcement of this type of legislation to yet another layer of local or state bureaucracy....or attorneys. Either way, if and when enacted, watch your line items very closely. Somebody has to pay for its rollout

banjobob 03-29-2024 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sam&rog (Post 2316268)
The developer is promoting turning over inside deed restrictions to the districts under the guise of stopping under age kids living here.

Sounds good until you realize that enforcement of short term rentals would also be included.

Airbnb website lists 1000 plus rentals under The Villages Fl.

Imagine the costs to address this with lawyer fees and court costs paid by us. Because the developer sees what is happening and wants to pawn another problem onto the districts.
Time to say no thank you.

I have never heard of any inside deed restrictions ever being enforced by the developer, Does anyone know of any?

justjim 03-29-2024 06:49 AM

CDD’S have never had “police powers”to enforce anything in TV that I know about. Fore!

bsloan1960 03-29-2024 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2316269)
All due respect, this one was covered extensively in a recent thread.

So it is your belief that because you are aware that this subject was addressed in the past that all other members are automatically aware as well? I stop in here every day and haven't seen it. The fact that people are adding comments to this new, revisited posting on this subject is evidence that the new posting about this matter is of interest to them.

Bill14564 03-29-2024 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2316636)
So it is your belief that because you are aware that this subject was addressed in the past that all other members are automatically aware as well? I stop in here every day and haven't seen it. The fact that people are adding comments to this new, revisited posting on this subject is evidence that the new posting about this matter is of interest to them.

With just a little bit of searching the original thread from 3/18 could have been found. It was active for five days so it's surprising you missed it.

To summarize:
- CDD4 asked whether it wold be possible for them to assist with enforcing internal deed restrictions
- The developer did not initiate this discussion
- It may be necessary to amend section 190 of the Florida Statutes before this can be done
- Children living in homes and businesses being run out of homes were the two issues CDD4 was concerned about

I suspect the agreements with each numbered CDD would need to be amended for them to accept this responsibility. If this is the case then each of the CDDs would have a choice whether to take on the additional work and any additional cost.

mkjelenbaas 03-29-2024 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sam&rog (Post 2316268)
The developer is promoting turning over inside deed restrictions to the districts under the guise of stopping under age kids living here.

Sounds good until you realize that enforcement of short term rentals would also be included.

Airbnb website lists 1000 plus rentals under The Villages Fl.

Imagine the costs to address this with lawyer fees and court costs paid by us. Because the developer sees what is happening and wants to pawn another problem onto the districts.
Time to say no thank you.

Everyone should understand what is happening because if this happens our expenses will surely head north!!

Girlcopper 03-29-2024 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2316269)
All due respect, this one was covered extensively in a recent thread.

Yes. It has been. Why do people rehash old topics? Maybe just to stir the pot?

GATORBILL66 03-29-2024 08:02 AM

Anything to get rid of short term rentals (leases under 6 months) in The Villages is a good thing!

Topspinmo 03-29-2024 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mkjelenbaas (Post 2316644)
Everyone should understand what is happening because if this happens our expenses will surely head north!!


They’re going north anyway and there NOTHING we can do about it. And if that’s not they enough just add it to maintenance fee.

Stu from NYC 03-29-2024 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 2316656)
Yes. It has been. Why do people rehash old topics? Maybe just to stir the pot?

Or someone didnt notice earlier thread/ Three months or more or less after a thread how many of us remember it in detail?

Bill14564 03-29-2024 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2316702)
Or someone didnt notice earlier thread/ Three months or more or less after a thread how many of us remember it in detail?

Probably not many. But what about a thread that was active just five DAYS earlier (see post #15)?

Shipping up to Boston 03-29-2024 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2316636)
So it is your belief that because you are aware that this subject was addressed in the past that all other members are automatically aware as well? I stop in here every day and haven't seen it. The fact that people are adding comments to this new, revisited posting on this subject is evidence that the new posting about this matter is of interest to them.

Yip Yap Yip Yap.....sorry my CPA up north is on line two!

jimjamuser 03-29-2024 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2316670)
Anything to get rid of short term rentals (leases under 6 months) in The Villages is a good thing!

I second that emotion...........or motion.

JMintzer 03-29-2024 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2316670)
Anything to get rid of short term rentals (leases under 6 months) in The Villages is a good thing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2316789)
I second that emotion...........or motion.

So people who want to rent for two to three months, as recommended by many on this board (since a Lifestyle Visit is not enough), so that they can really get a feel for TV before buying, are out of luck?

Topspinmo 03-29-2024 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2316844)
So people who want to rent for two to three months, as recommended by many on this board (since a Lifestyle Visit is not enough), so that they can really get a feel for TV before buying, are out of luck?

Why can’t the get feel in 6 months. IMO should be no rentals in retirement community. They developers buildings and homes used for lifestyle are not included cause they’re not private owned retirees O wait this not retirement community but extended Disneyland. :boom:

Bill14564 03-29-2024 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2316846)
Why can’t the get feel in 6 months. IMO should be no rentals in retirement community. They developers buildings and homes used for lifestyle are not included cause they’re not private owned retirees O wait this not retirement community but extended Disneyland. :boom:

I can find no text in the majority of the deed restrictions I've read that prohibits rentals.

I can remember no text in the majority of the deed restrictions I've read that mentions any exception for developer-owned properties?

I see no exceptions in any of the Florida statutes that except developer-owned properties either.

I personally like living in the adult Disneyland. I like being able to have friends stay in my house when they visit. I like being able to find places to rent in the Villages when family visits for longer periods of time. Fortunately, the deed restrictions and Florida statutes appear to accommodate those things.

Topspinmo 03-29-2024 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2316854)
I can find no text in the majority of the deed restrictions I've read that prohibits rentals.

I can remember no text in the majority of the deed restrictions I've read that mentions any exception for developer-owned properties?

I see no exceptions in any of the Florida statutes that except developer-owned properties either.

I personally like living in the adult Disneyland. I like being able to have friends stay in my house when they visit. I like being able to find places to rent in the Villages when family visits for longer periods of time. Fortunately, the deed restrictions and Florida statutes appear to accommodate those things.

It don’t have to be there the developers pull ALL strings. Developers since I been have Never enforced inside rules that I was aware of. But got plenty of extension’s from district to do what they want.

JMintzer 03-29-2024 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2316846)
Why can’t the get feel in 6 months. IMO should be no rentals in retirement community. They developers buildings and homes used for lifestyle are not included cause they’re not private owned retirees O wait this not retirement community but extended Disneyland. :boom:

Not everyone can afford 6 month rentals. Not everyone is already retired and can take 6 months off their jobs... And if they do buy, they may need that added income to carry the home until they -do- move in full time...

And you want ZERO rentals? Typical "I got mine" attitude...

I'm not yet a "frog", and we don't rent out our home when we're not there. We consider ourselves lucky to be able to pull that off...

JMintzer 03-29-2024 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2316854)
I can find no text in the majority of the deed restrictions I've read that prohibits rentals.

I can remember no text in the majority of the deed restrictions I've read that mentions any exception for developer-owned properties?

I see no exceptions in any of the Florida statutes that except developer-owned properties either.

I personally like living in the adult Disneyland. I like being able to have friends stay in my house when they visit. I like being able to find places to rent in the Villages when family visits for longer periods of time. Fortunately, the deed restrictions and Florida statutes appear to accommodate those things.

:boom::boom::boom:

Stu from NYC 03-29-2024 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2316708)
Probably not many. But what about a thread that was active just five DAYS earlier (see post #15)?

I am an active poster on here and do not read every thread, just the ones that perk my interest.

Might not be interested in one yesterday but might be with another one days later.

nn0wheremann 03-29-2024 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sam&rog (Post 2316268)
The developer is promoting turning over inside deed restrictions to the districts under the guise of stopping under age kids living here.

Sounds good until you realize that enforcement of short term rentals would also be included.

Airbnb website lists 1000 plus rentals under The Villages Fl.

Imagine the costs to address this with lawyer fees and court costs paid by us. Because the developer sees what is happening and wants to pawn another problem onto the districts.
Time to say no thank you.

One would think that most of the STRs are investment properties, financed by mortgages. I would be surprised if in Florida a government lien does not have first priority for collection, so legal cost of enforcement could be supported by liens placed against the offending properties, which would invalidate the first mortgage liens, and make those mortgages immediately collectible. Quite an incentive to get out of the STR business if the District governments would actually start enforcing the deed restrictions.

Topspinmo 03-29-2024 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2316865)
Not everyone can afford 6 month rentals. Not everyone is already retired and can take 6 months off their jobs... And if they do buy, they may need that added income to carry the home until they -do- move in full time...

And you want ZERO rentals? Typical "I got mine" attitude...

I'm not yet a "frog", and we don't rent out our home when we're not there. We consider ourselves lucky to be able to pull that off...

Why have lifestyle visit. Yes ZERO. You know what the say want in one hand and ——- in the other.

tophcfa 03-29-2024 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2316932)
One would think that most of the STRs are investment properties, financed by mortgages. I would be surprised if in Florida a government lien does not have first priority for collection, so legal cost of enforcement could be supported by liens placed against the offending properties, which would invalidate the first mortgage liens, and make those mortgages immediately collectible. Quite an incentive to get out of the STR business if the District governments would actually start enforcing the deed restrictions.

Sounds to good to be true. But if it is, bring it on!

CoachKandSportsguy 03-30-2024 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2316670)
Anything to get rid of short term rentals (leases under 6 months) in The Villages is a good thing!

really? a boon to the developer who will be the only one left with short term rentals for prospective buyers is the end result of this desire.

Most of our rentals have been under 6 months, and most have been looking to buy in the villages, or are family to someone in the villages for holidays as a typical house can't hold more than the owner's immediate family comfortably.

One rental was from an NFL wide receiver who was being treated for brain concussions at the local brain treatment center, also a family member of someone in the villages. .

So now you are forcing holiday family gatherings into hotels, of which there are so many?

how nice of you. . .

NIMBY runs rampant, without any understanding of the impacts. . . . and we have had repeats from people very nice, the neighbors all loved the 70 year old couples. . . who visited friends in the Villages for several months in the winter. .

JMintzer 03-30-2024 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2316938)
Why have lifestyle visit. Yes ZERO. You know what the say want in one hand and ——- in the other.

The Lifestyle visit is a "taste"... It's the bait...

You don't really know what living in TV is until you actually live here for a while.

A week just doesn't cut it...

Our lifestyle visit was actually stying with friends for a week. I was immediately smitten. My wife, otoh, wasn't so sure. So, a year later, we rented for two months. That was the assurance she needed...

During that two month stay, we made an offer on a home and it was accepted. That was just over 3 years ago...

JMintzer 03-30-2024 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2316938)
You know what the say want in one hand and ——- in the other.

Oh, and who says anything like that?

JMintzer 03-30-2024 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2317044)
really? a boon to the developer who will be the only one left with short term rentals for prospective buyers is the end result of this desire.

Most of our rentals have been under 6 months, and most have been looking to buy in the villages, or are family to someone in the villages for holidays as a typical house can't hold more than the owner's immediate family comfortably.

One rental was from an NFL wide receiver who was being treated for brain concussions at the local brain treatment center, also a family member of someone in the villages. .

So now you are forcing holiday family gatherings into hotels, of which there are so many?

how nice of you. . .

NIMBY runs rampant, without any understanding of the impacts. . . . and we have had repeats from people very nice, the neighbors all loved the 70 year old couples. . . who visited friends in the Villages for several months in the winter. .

Excellent points...

Stu from NYC 03-30-2024 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2317237)
Oh, and who says anything like that?

They do:bigbow:

JMintzer 03-30-2024 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2317276)
They do:bigbow:

They are starting to tick me off!

Shipping up to Boston 03-30-2024 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2317279)
They are starting to tick me off!

Take a deep breath.....carry on


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