Sumter County Sherif on MMP
 

I followed a Sumter County Sherif, is a Sheriff Golf Car, with Red and Blue lights, on the MMP on Buena Vista from Eisenhower, around the gate, around the back of Mangrove, up BV, and under Buena Vista and he continued north.

Golf Car was well marked as a Sheriff’s vehicle - sherif inside had the green uniform on.

We saw him too - gave him a thumbs up!

Need to be unmarked cart if he wants to ticket anyone. I can’t go mile on MMP without seeing several offending ticketing citations.

They will get plenty of drunk drivers and get you when you pass another cart.

And your point is??? They only have legal jurisdiction on the parts of the MMP which are physically part of a public roadway. They CANNOT legally enforce golf cart speed limits or stop sign actions on any MMP on TV property per Section 316.006, Florida Statutes

In order to be allowed to enforce traffic rules on TV property a written agreement must be signed between the law enforcement agency and TV. There is no such agreement.

https://youtu.be/9s2QMWODhAU?si=koYpGM8lMDIQSqgx

https://youtu.be/KLFCDQrc6Go?si=zal3wRBva-7Uwc4v

What's the top speed on those? Asking for a friend.

So is it just a public relations thing or?

Golf Car Police
 

There have been a lot of golf car accidents and some of them have been quite serious. If the police presence even saves one life, it is worth it.

Is any agreement required to be public knowledge? How do you know the Villages hasnt signed one? Who actually owns the MMPs?

I don’t need a point, just that I saw a sheriff’s cart on the MMP. He didn’t turn to go onto Hillsborugh Trail, stayed north on the MMP.

The cart had to cost more than $20k, that is one heck of a PR expenditure.

Expenditure
 

You ain’t seen nothing yet till you are a resident of the Villages and Wildwood. Complete with 50 thousand dollar per space parking decks all because of the free taxpayer money.

Here’s a YouTube video of the cart

https://youtu.be/KLFCDQrc6Go?si=k-R46StnDh86DSZY

North of 466 MMPs are owned by the individual districts. I believe that south of 466 that is the same; the difference *may* be that they are maintained by PWAC as part of common infrastructure. I have heard from Capt. Siemer (sp?), SCSO commander in The Villages area, that they cannot enforce traffic violations on the MMPs (speeding) as they are not public roads. The can enforce not stopping at a stop sign that crosses a public road, and they can enforce DUI violations anywhere.

No worries, even if they did try to pull you over all you gotta do is keep driving until their electric cart runs out of juice : )

I think it's kind of cool, and maybe adds something to the "charm" of The Villages.

It would be a hit at an event at the schools in Middleton.

We are fortunate to have excellent and highly professional law enforcement personnel here.

I've seen him down at the square at night.

I would guess those are the violations they are cracking down on. Also, if the Sheriff is going 20 MPH, I don’t think anyone is passing him doing 25MPH, whether they can issue a citation or not.

The district that you’re in owns MMPs. But that’s only cost of repairs added to maintenance fees. As far as authority probably developers puppet organizations.

My electric cart can to 70 miles before running low on a charge and not stink up my house or tunnels. Your bias is showing.

I realize they can't cite for speeding on MMP, but if the cart is going over 25 can't they cite for not having it registered as a low speed vehicle?

excellent!! nice to know the sheriffs are out there to nail golf cart speeders!

when u cross a road

These are not private roads. They are owned and maintained by the counties

the legal threshold for non-street legal carts is 19.9 mph, not 25mph.

Correct
 

Yes, LSVs are different than golf carts they are:
Section 320.01(41), Florida Statutes, defines LSVs as “any four-wheeled vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 miles per hour, but not greater than 25 miles per hour.” LSVs must be registered, titled and insured with personal injury protection (PIP) and property damage liability (PDL) insurance. Any person operating an LSV must have a valid driver license in their immediate possession.

If a golf cart is traveling faster than 20 mph, it is technically an LSV and must have all LSV documents readily available. That said though, a golf cart going down hill with the wind behind its back could exceed the speed of 20 mph. A citation officer would be challenged in court if conditions existed to warrant a chance of going in the 20-25 mph window on a vehicle that was normally traveling within the speed limit.

However, it would be difficult to challenge a citation where a cart exceeded the speed on a flat surface or crossed a solid white line. Citation issuing officers would likely already have adjusted to what they can or cannot do.

Just traveling
 

He probably had to get from Point A to Point B and that was the most eeficient way to go.

next comes registering or numbering your cart. and you will pay for it too....its coming

Yeah not sure why I thought it was 25. Just read up on it and I think I finally have it all figured out. I just recall a thread where they said they got ticketed for going over 25 and fined for not registering it. I'm betting the cops don't bother if you are hitting 22. But 25 would be easily over by enough where the driver wouldn't win in court.

When I had a rental home before I bought in the Villages, and I was totally unaware of the speed rules, the cart with the house went 27 and I was up everyone's ass wondering why they were going so slow. :D. I won't do that again.

All I know, is that I welcome their presence on the paths.

They can if you are a danger to others. If you are driving an unregistered vehicle (modified to exceed 20 mph).

Maybe
 

Maybe, but they haven’t done that with bicycles yet.

It would need to be a statewide law. 66 other counties don’t have the same problem as Sumter with golf carts.

Traffic offenses arenot a crime so a traffic stop on private property for the express purpose of issuing a citation would be dismissed.

Officers may investigate crimes on private property. That means an officer can pull over someone who is suspected of DUI on private property because DUI is a crime.

Looks like a job for the cops program
 

Civilians on Patrol for speeders on multi modal pathways.... I have seen their posts here...

Not correct. The MMPs are private property, and neither the counties nor cities (Wildwood) have any maintenance/ownership responsibilities.

A $25k expenditure - interesting that they think it is better to have a patrol person taken off the dangerous roads where a lot more infractions, accidents, and fatalities occur than for a PR stunt like this.

How are they private when they are owned by the CDD's which are public entities?

Yep
 

Just like a parking lot.

Ccd
 

The CDD would have to issue the citation? That will never happen. They can’t enforce the existing rules, which are not laws.

stinky gas carts never blow up the garage.