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Rainger99 05-29-2024 12:24 PM

Charges Dropped against Scheffler!
 
Charges dropped against Scottie Scheffler from Louisville arrest - ESPN

Velvet 05-29-2024 12:33 PM

I was expecting something like this outcome after the circumstances were first described. I’ve been in a situation, myself, where two different officials gave me different instructions at the same time.

Rainger99 05-29-2024 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2335677)
I was expecting something like this outcome after the circumstances were first described. I’ve been in a situation, myself, where two different officials gave me different instructions at the same time.

Was your situation resolved as quickly?

JMintzer 05-29-2024 01:29 PM

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dewilson58 05-29-2024 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2335673)

Good.

Thanks for posting.

:wave:

kcrazorbackfan 05-29-2024 02:46 PM

Being a retired LEO, I knew that was going to happen from day 1; something just wasn’t right with the “Detective’s” (who was working traffic) statements, subsequent videos and the failure to turn his body cam on.

Stu from NYC 05-29-2024 03:55 PM

Not exactly a surprise

BrianL99 05-29-2024 04:25 PM

The rest of the story.


https://x.com/i/status/1795889034176377035


https://x.com/i/status/1795873393150922937

Velvet 05-29-2024 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2335681)
Was your situation resolved as quickly?

Well, I didn’t get arrested.

tophcfa 05-29-2024 10:55 PM

Not surprised, the whole thing seemed fishy from the beginning and was way out of character.

Wondering 05-30-2024 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2335673)

White, Celebrity privilege!

coleprice 05-30-2024 07:49 AM

Mr. Mills grabbed hold of Scheffler's car, so MILLS CAUSED the car to drag him. There was no immediate emergency, so his actions were not only inappropriate, he violated his training and took an unnecessary and dangerous risk for what appears to be "emotional reasons" . . . Mills must have perceived that Scheffler didn't follow his instructions, notwithstanding that Scheffler was following the instructions given to him by another officer. The instructions given to him by the other officer were recorded by that officer's bodycam, yet Detective Mills' body cam was turned off, which is a violation of department policy (for which Mills has been reprimanded). BTW, what is a DETECTIVE doing working traffic duty???

BrianL99 06-07-2024 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by coleprice (Post 2335886)
Mr. Mills grabbed hold of Scheffler's car, so MILLS CAUSED the car to drag him. There was no immediate emergency, so his actions were not only inappropriate, he violated his training and took an unnecessary and dangerous risk for what appears to be "emotional reasons" . . . Mills must have perceived that Scheffler didn't follow his instructions, notwithstanding that Scheffler was following the instructions given to him by another officer. The instructions given to him by the other officer were recorded by that officer's bodycam, yet Detective Mills' body cam was turned off, which is a violation of department policy (for which Mills has been reprimanded). BTW, what is a DETECTIVE doing working traffic duty???


Apparently the Louisville Police have released more details.

& a photo of THE pants.

Scheffler: "What is second-degree assault?"

Willis: "A felony"

Scheffler: "Holy sh**. ... What does a felony mean? ... It sounds serious."

Willis: "It's a very serious charge."

Willis: "I didn't know you were the No. 1 in the world right now. ... You too casual to be the No. 1 player in the world."

Scheffler: "I think that's why they're so surprised I'm sitting here in the freakin' jail.

Willis: "You should have had a driver."

Scheffler: "Instead, I'm the one with the felony."

Willis: "For now. You'll be all right."


3 LMPD officers failed to activate body cameras in Scottie Scheffler arrest, investigation finds | In-depth | wdrb.com

Shipping up to Boston 06-07-2024 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2338552)
Apparently the Louisville Police have released more details.

& a photo of THE pants.

Scheffler: "What is second-degree assault?"

Willis: "A felony"

Scheffler: "Holy sh**. ... What does a felony mean? ... It sounds serious."

Willis: "It's a very serious charge."

Willis: "I didn't know you were the No. 1 in the world right now. ... You too casual to be the No. 1 player in the world."

Scheffler: "I think that's why they're so surprised I'm sitting here in the freakin' jail.

Willis: "You should have had a driver."

Scheffler: "Instead, I'm the one with the felony."

Willis: "For now. You'll be all right."


3 LMPD officers failed to activate body cameras in Scottie Scheffler arrest, investigation finds | In-depth | wdrb.com

As Belichick would say.....we're on to The Memorial!

Caymus 06-26-2024 12:38 PM

I didn't realize that the "dangerous" criminal was handcuffed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...d2fee292&ei=15

Pairadocs 06-26-2024 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2335677)
I was expecting something like this outcome after the circumstances were first described. I’ve been in a situation, myself, where two different officials gave me different instructions at the same time.

I have definitely experienced the very same thing... actually last July 4th fireworks display. I'm sure it common, not just something you, I, and Scottie have experienced. But it sure gave the blood thirsty media a couple days of their blood lust ! In some ways reminds me of the non stop coverage of the NASCAR "hanging noose" incident, media licking their chops !

golfing eagles 06-26-2024 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2335860)
White, Celebrity privilege!

Ridiculous stupid comment. Does anyone think that under the same circumstances the charges wouldn't have been dropped for Jay-Z as well?????

spd2918 06-29-2024 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 2335720)
Being a retired LEO, I knew that was going to happen from day 1; something just wasn’t right with the “Detective’s” (who was working traffic) statements, subsequent videos and the failure to turn his body cam on.

Being a retired LEO you should know failure to turn a body cam on during a stressful event is not evidence of wrongdoing. Cops have arrested people for many years without electronic devices to prove they are not lairs.

I see a detective working an overtime shift, probably trying to boost his retirement. He probably doesn't know how to turn the body cam on.

JMintzer 06-29-2024 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345389)
Being a retired LEO you should know failure to turn a body cam on during a stressful event is not evidence of wrongdoing. Cops have arrested people for many years without electronic devices to prove they are not lairs.

I see a detective working an overtime shift, probably trying to boost his retirement. He probably doesn't know how to turn the body cam on.

If he doesn't know how to turn his body cam on, why was he wearing one?

If it is police policy to turn it on during encounters, his "wrongdoing" was not following procedure...

Would you say the same ting about a taser he may be carrying?

spd2918 06-30-2024 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2345528)
If he doesn't know how to turn his body cam on, why was he wearing one?

If it is police policy to turn it on during encounters, his "wrongdoing" was not following procedure...

Would you say the same ting about a taser he may be carrying?

You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

Bill14564 06-30-2024 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345694)
You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

Great reason to turn the camera on BEFORE grabbing at a moving vehicle and losing your balance.

spd2918 06-30-2024 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2345716)
Great reason to turn the camera on BEFORE grabbing at a moving vehicle and losing your balance.

More monday morning quarterbacking. What did you do for a living?

Shipping up to Boston 06-30-2024 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345694)
You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

I speak from experience as well....but this site isn’t Indeed.com. Common sense says a ‘professional’ should know better. The body cams are now part of the uniform....not wearing one or turning one on....you’re out of uniform. It’s not about ‘Monday morning cops’. The reason body cams are in use today is not solely because of the actions of the people we, you or anybody else ‘serves and protects’.....it’s also because of the actions of some that have ‘served’ before you. We live in a skeptical and more importantly, a litigious society....I for one am not intimidated by cameras in the workplace nor on my person. If you’re doing nothing wrong....nothing will come of it. If not, body cams are a valuable tool in meting out punishment or clearing ones actions and name.

Bill14564 06-30-2024 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345725)
More monday morning quarterbacking. What did you do for a living?

I was paid to use my head and plan for things before they turned bad. Then if they did turn bad, it was my responsibility to find a safe way out.

Grabbing at moving vehicles was never part of my job.

spd2918 06-30-2024 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2345746)
I was paid to use my head and plan for things before they turned bad. Then if they did turn bad, it was my responsibility to find a safe way out.

Grabbing at moving vehicles was never part of my job.

So you were never hit by a car then and forgot a proceedure. Got it.

spd2918 06-30-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2345726)
I speak from experience as well....but this site isn’t Indeed.com. Common sense says a ‘professional’ should know better. The body cams are now part of the uniform....not wearing one or turning one on....you’re out of uniform. It’s not about ‘Monday morning cops’. The reason body cams are in use today is not solely because of the actions of the people we, you or anybody else ‘serves and protects’.....it’s also because of the actions of some that have ‘served’ before you. We live in a skeptical and more importantly, a litigious society....I for one am not intimidated by cameras in the workplace nor on my person. If you’re doing nothing wrong....nothing will come of it. If not, body cams are a valuable tool in meting out punishment or clearing ones actions and name.

You should have a camera put on you while you golf, you know, so we can see if you cheat. My comment was not about the camera, rather remembering to do things 100% correct when under huge stress. I don't fault the guy because I know better. But everyone thinks they know how to police with zero experience.

golfing eagles 06-30-2024 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345754)
So you were never hit by a car then and forgot a proceedure. Got it.

The detective involved wasn’t “hit by a car”. He grabbed on to the door handle of a moving vehicle and eventually let go. IMHO he exercised extremely poor judgement—-after all, the vehicle was turning into a parking lot, just where did he think it was going?

BrianL99 06-30-2024 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2345761)
The detective involved wasn’t “hit by a car”. He grabbed on to the door handle of a moving vehicle and eventually let go. IMHO he exercised extremely poor judgement—-after all, the vehicle was turning into a parking lot, just where did he think it was going?

Based on this specifics cop's track record, he often doesn't exercise even reasonable judgement.

Why is this being re-hashed, given the facts are already known?

The cop was reprimanded for not following procedure and not his first time.

The subsequently release video, showed the cop chasing and grabbing onto Scottie's vehicle.

The Louisville Police Department has admitted the officers didn't follow procedure and they didn't feel they had a case.

The cops didn't used reasonable judgement, didn't follow procedure and it's over with.

Caymus 06-30-2024 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2345779)
Based on this specifics cop's track record, he often doesn't exercise even reasonable judgement.

Why is this being re-hashed, given the facts are already known?

The cop was reprimanded for not following procedure and not his first time.

The subsequently release video, showed the cop chasing and grabbing onto Scottie's vehicle.

The Louisville Police Department has admitted the officers didn't follow procedure and they didn't feel they had a case.

The cops didn't used reasonable judgement, didn't follow procedure and it's over with.

The recent update is that the Police Chief resigned this week for her department’s mishandling of the arrest.

Shipping up to Boston 06-30-2024 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345756)
You should have a camera put on you while you golf, you know, so we can see if you cheat. My comment was not about the camera, rather remembering to do things 100% correct when under huge stress. I don't fault the guy because I know better. But everyone thinks they know how to police with zero experience.

Nope, you’re right....comparing the actions of a casual duffer on a golf course to those of a ‘seasoned’ detective at what became a crime scene. I think I missed that module in the academy

Bill14564 06-30-2024 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345754)
So you were never hit by a car then and forgot a proceedure. Got it.

No, I calculated that grabbing a moving vehicle was a bad idea and avoided it. Seemed a simple decision for me but I guess not for some others.

BrianL99 06-30-2024 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2345790)
The recent update is that the Police Chief resigned this week for her department’s mishandling of the arrest.

3rd Chief to resign or be fired, in the last 3-4 years. It's a revolving door at one of the USA's worst Police Departments.

spd2918 06-30-2024 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2345793)
No, I calculated that grabbing a moving vehicle was a bad idea and avoided it. Seemed a simple decision for me but I guess not for some others.

You'd be surprised to find how many officers have died being drug by cars. It's instinctive to grab for an offender, and hard to train out once stress is involved. I've never grabbed at a moving car, but I have been sideswiped. A good friend had her career ended by being hit.

But of course you know how to do things better. They are hiring and need trainers...

BrianL99 06-30-2024 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345831)
You'd be surprised to find how many officers have died being drug by cars. It's instinctive to grab for an offender, and hard to train out once stress is involved. I've never grabbed at a moving car, but I have been sideswiped. A good friend had her career ended by being hit.

But of course you know how to do things better. They are hiring and need trainers...

Only a complete and utter moron, would try to attach himself to a moving automobile.

If officers have died that way, they have no one to blame but themselves ... they were too stupid to live.

kcrazorbackfan 06-30-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345389)
Being a retired LEO you should know failure to turn a body cam on during a stressful event is not evidence of wrongdoing. Cops have arrested people for many years without electronic devices to prove they are not lairs.

I see a detective working an overtime shift, probably trying to boost his retirement. He probably doesn't know how to turn the body cam on.

If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

JMintzer 06-30-2024 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345694)
You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

He should have had his body cam on when he first encountered Scheffler, well before he was "knocked down by a car"...

And stress? Try operating in an OR when everything goes sideways, and you've got to figure out a way to fix it... (I speak from experience)...

JMintzer 06-30-2024 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2345779)
Based on this specifics cop's track record, he often doesn't exercise even reasonable judgement.

Why is this being re-hashed, given the facts are already known?

The cop was reprimanded for not following procedure and not his first time.

The subsequently release video, showed the cop chasing and grabbing onto Scottie's vehicle.

The Louisville Police Department has admitted the officers didn't follow procedure and they didn't feel they had a case.

The cops didn't used reasonable judgement, didn't follow procedure and it's over with.

Silly facts...

JMintzer 06-30-2024 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2345756)
You should have a camera put on you while you golf, you know, so we can see if you cheat. My comment was not about the camera, rather remembering to do things 100% correct when under huge stress. I don't fault the guy because I know better. But everyone thinks they know how to police with zero experience.

He wasn't under "huge stress" until he put himself in that position buy grabbing at a moving car. He had plenty of time to turn on his body cam before he made that boneheaded decision...

spd2918 06-30-2024 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 2345839)
If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

Yes, for 26 years- all on the street. Driving instructor, traffic stop instructor. Forgetting to do something under stress is not wrongdoing.

Nobody wants to be a cop anymore because of all the youtube experts telling them how to do their jobs. BLM and other critics have reduced candidate pools to people that can't pass background checks.

JMintzer 06-30-2024 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 2345839)
If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

Sadly, I think he's a retired LEO... Hence the "I'll die on this hill" attitude...


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