New record lows and near record lows this morning 5 AM
 

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

And this is why the gullible and indoctrinated changed it from "global warming" to "climate change". Then, all you have to do, is believe that the same CO2 emissions can cause BOTH warming and cooling, maybe even at the same time :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
And I'm sure they have some excuse for this.

its 54 in the cumberland hills this morning, chilly

Money
 

It’s all about economic flow and the favor of money going in their direction.

The min max thermometer says it hit 48 degrees last night on Norwich Hill

"Gullible and indoctrinated"? What possibly could that mean? 🙈🙉🙊

25 df in my freezer. 350 df in my oven. 78 df in my living room. Guess it depends on where, when and what you measure.

Well, it DOESN'T mean well versed in paleoclimatology :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

There was a surface high with no wind, clear skies, and low dewpoints. Those conditions lead to radiational cooling down to the dewpoint.

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.
Also, the sky isn't falling and Santa Claus and the Easter bunny don't exist. And, the Earth is not flat, but my butt is. Tmi? 🙈🙈🙈

And... We're off!

You're perfect just the way you are

Sorry! Alrighty then...You just convinced me with this. Sorry! We all defer to your PhD in Physics :) Again...Sorry!

Global warming is real. It started about 20,000 years ago, this cycle, and a dozen or more times in the previous 4.5 million years.

However, "human activities" have had zero to a negligible effect on these cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbit. No, I don't think there is any evidence that Fred Flintstone drove a SUV.

And I like Burger King!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The Earth was Much Warmer
 

180 million years ago the Earth was much warmer. Dinosaurs liked it that way. But then we have had many cooler periods too. Up to 6 different ice ages have been recorded by geologists through various means.

How soon will "The Villages" expand to Greenland or Manitoba?

Of course it has nothing to do with the front that is stalled right over central Florida. You are talking weather not climate. Short issue weather long time change climate.

Correct and in correct
 

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2363038]You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.

The earth warms and cools all by it self. Man has nothin to do with it .
Events like these contribute greatly

https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1825...6nqvP_33QnrUyg

And this

https://x.com/_climatecraze/status/1...6nqvP_33QnrUyg

Why can’t you post screenshots ? Here is a screenshot of your post ….

[QUOTE=Beyond The Wall;2363147]Are implying that "man" was not responsible for the end of the ice age?:angel:

Out of curiosity, how much of the warming is caused by humans and how much is caused by the natural cycles that would be warming the planet even if humans never existed?
This is important, since I'd it is 1%, nothing we do will change anything, but at 99%, we should ruin lives and causes misery and woe to fix it
Any idea?

Now you've done it...expect a golf car path there any day now...
Dang you, dang you to heck, you poopie face!!!

There is human-engineered "climate change" through geoengineering.
They spray aerosols into the stratosphere to control the weather.
You can see the chemtrails in the sky if you look for them.
The scam is they want carbon taxes to "fix" climate change.
They could stop the geoengineering, but they want the carbon taxes.

There is a reason why all this cooling (including the Rocky snows, Atlantic cooling, African cooling, etc) is happening in the middle of summer -- and so far the media will not talk about it. Therefore, this will be discussed August 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport -- for the Science & Technology Club meeting.

[QUOTE=Caymus;2363153]True. Clutching at irrelevant straws that some, who won't look farther, will accept as evidence that supports the narrative they like. 🫠

It boggles my mind that so many people do not understand the difference between climate and weather. Weather is a stochastic (random) process that goes up and down around the climate trend. Just because it’s hot or cold on a given day is no indication of a change in the trend.

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2363171]Let's see:

The Earth started warming 20,000 years before humans even discovered fossil fuels. Ice 2 miles thick covering much of the Northern Hemisphere melted, most glaciers receded and whatever coastal cities that were built are now underwater.

I'd say that all of that occurring without any human activity is VERY RELEVANT

When you alter an ecosystem / change the environment, the climate will change. Since before the rise of the industrial revolution mankind has been disrupting ecosystems in small ways. But since the industrial revolution, with population soaring and ever increasing destruction of habitats, terraforming, pollution and more, it is undeniable. Yet, there are those will try. Like the kids who broke a window, they will deny they had anything to do with it. Then they will ask if they can have their ball back.

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.

Lots of narratives -- but no data. So, how much did "man-made" CO2 actually warm the earth last year?

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?
 

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

Hurricane Ernesto passed East of there, and a low pressure system sucks weather from it’s North neighbors as it passes by.

Many scientists believe co2 increases with higher temps (i.e. co2 does not raise temps). But it is a number that can be tracked, fudged, and used to collect more taxs.

The "trust" was lost when the Nobel Prize became political when it started honoring people who made failed climate forecasts and failed climate models. Trust does not come from narratives, but from data, where each person can see and think for themselves. One example will be given about Tonga Volcano & Global Warming -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Other talks are listed here ... The Villages Weather Club

Weather vs. pollution caused global warming.

Warm Cold
 

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.


Wait about 30,000 more years if you are into a cooler climate. The complete cycle is 100,000 years but our path will be a little farther from the sun then. For now, look to even warmer temperatures in our climate as the Earth still needs to orbit closer.

My memory isn't great these days so I'll probably forget by then. That said I have kids and grandkids so I hope we figure it out pretty soon and stop being so inflammatory in these discussions and work towards the right action / solution.

That's just serving up a softball :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

To continue that analogy, the window is in a 60 story, 2000-unit high-rise apartment building, and yes, the kid (human use of fossil fuels) did MINIMAL damage by breaking one of 4,000 windows. Of course, the demolition crew with 3 tons of dynamite used repetitively over 20,000 years (the sun, Earth's orbit, underwater volcanos, etc.) are the ones responsible for 99.99999999% of the changes.

Thanks, that was easy.

Again, please don't confuse the gullible and indoctrinated with THE FACTS.

Conclusion
 

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.