Pete Rose dead
 

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

Sure....just as soon as they let Bonds, McGuire, Clemens et al in. Yes all were on the juice but many others were as well and it’s well known MLB was complicit in that steroid era.
Rose was hard headed and probably would’ve got in if he just admitted his wrongdoing....unfortunately, he didn’t until it was too late. It’s just silly to me since the HOF in most sports is about your accomplishments in the game....not your character. If it was about the latter, a good percentage of these HOF would have a lot of empty spaces

How about Shoeless Joe??

I listed several that I believe should be first ballot HOF. Of course there are many more. I don’t like some of these compromised baseball writers controlling the votes with their holier than thou narratives. Wish there was another way

During his playing and managing career, Pete Rose earned a total of $7.1 million in salaries. His highest-earning year was 1986 when the Cincinnati Reds paid Rose $1 million for managing the team.

That is a lot money but it is a pittance to what the top players make now.

I saw an interview with Mickey Mantle shortly before he died. Mantle made $1,128,000 during his entire career playing with the Yankees. At that time Roger Clemens was making more than $5 million a year. Mantle said that Clemens would more by Memorial Day than he did in his entire career.

I remember seeing him a few times at the Las Vegas Caesars signing autographs.

Sorry to cross sports....but it’s all relative to the times. Bobby Orr’s first contract was a 2 year 70K deal! I believe the Bruins also took care of finishing the siding on his parents home in Parry Sound in Canada

I don't get your point. It doesn't change my opinion at all.

He was next door neighbor of close friends. Attended events at his home couple of times before the scandal, and once after he was banned.
Ban was a Hugh topic for years, I met many in that neighborhood that lost respect because of his actions. Rose never impressed me before he was caught, didn’t change much after the ban.

Just my opinion, but a life banned athlete, shouldn’t be allowed in any HOF.

I believe your point was that he shouldn’t charge for autographs. My point was that he probably needed the money.

I was at a mall a few years ago and Hank Aaron was charging for autographs.

Do you respect him?

And lots of athletes charge for autographs.


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Does your opinion matter to others? No, it only matters to you. :faint:

Naturally he was measly ball player and not doctor and owned 10 houses.

So neighbor’s skeletons wasn’t out of closets so they lost respect for him.

Setting aside the kid rape, chronic adultery, degenerate gambling, pathological lying & raging narcissistic personality because they're "off the field", he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted & he will never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame, thankfully.

lmao

You do realize OJ is still in the HOF right?
Again people...these (some) athletes are horrible human beings but until its changed, it's about on field/court/ice accomplishments. Character doesn't enter the equation unless its a butt hurt writer that can't stay on script and has an agenda

I will just say that you would never see Arnold Palmer charge for an autograph. He took his time to make sure his name was legible and encouraged younger pro golfers to do the same. Charging a fan for an autograph is disgraceful.

Pete Rose vs The Mets
 

My son and I were at a Mets vs Cincinnati game in 1981 and our seats were right by 1st Base. During batting practice my son, then 12 years old, was trying to get autographs of some of the Mets. He was totally ignored. Pete Rose was at the bat. After he finished batting practice, he walked over to the Mets side, where we were standing by the rail. He walked up to my son, and asked him if he would like his autograph. My son was thrilled and we thanked him. He said, "I noticed the Mets players totally ignoring your son, even though he was the only kid there".
He still has that autograph on his wall. I don't condone what he did, but he was still a great ball player.

I did not have to pay for mine. Unfortunately, he used a pen and it has faded.

There was evidence that Rose placed bets involving the Reds both when he was their player-manager, and also later when he was their manager. Though I don't know if there is any evidence that he bet AGAINST the Reds, or engaged in any overt actions as a player or as a manager that could be construed to make a score closer or to actually have the Reds lose a ball game, he DID admit that he'd consider it.

"Janszen (Paul Janszen, a friend of Rose's who ran bets for Rose) claimed Rose said he would consider throwing a game if a large enough bet was placed on it, and said he'd check with managers before games to ask about the health of opposing players before placing bets on their teams." ("Pete Rose's gambling scandal, explained: Why MLB's hits king is banned for betting on baseball", Edward Sutelan, The Sporting News, 10/1/24). Add to that the fact that there is evidence that Rose's gambling amounts were close to or possibly even in excess of his salary: He never earned more than $1 million dollars in one year, either as a player or manager, and during one three-month stretch of time (can't remember the year) his losses totalled over $450,000.

Rose's accomplishments puts him the the same league as Babe Ruth, Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb, and Henry Aaron. Nevertheless the harm that a player could conceivably do to the game by gambling on their sport, particularly as Rose knew full well that what he was doing was totally forbidden, outweighs anything else.

Banning him was the right decision. Sad as that may be.

You obviously don't know how sports collectible and card shows work. Arnold Palmer or any athlete that gets booked for these events...in addition to appearance fees, charges for autographs. Perfectly acceptable.
Idk if you think they're charging as players on the fields or courses ...never heard of that nonsense. On their own time either. They may decline a request but not pull out a bill fold or coin dispenser to make change for a fan. Smh

Although he apparently used an autopen machine to sign his name for requests that came in the mail.

Just a moment...

But I still respect him.

Horrible human beings comes in all shapes, sizes, rich, and poor. IMO the rich probably has higher percentage. :beer3:

Bill Cosby "Liked" this!

That you are incorrect, Rose treated everyone like they were on the lowest rung on the ladder. Throwing insults to a waitstaff, a NP or a Physician. Then if you didn’t kiss the ring, you had no way of making out unscathed.
His Mom would apologize to everyone for his behavior, was always so embarrassed. One of the staff told her don’t worry about us we are here to take care of you, no matter who the person is screaming out side the door.

Smiling he said you did your best, how he chooses how to treat people. It’s no reflection on your part.

You might have 3rd party knowledge of the...83yr old failing individual....but once again, what you fail to understand and acknowledge....it doesn't matter if he was a womanizer, killed a waiter or kicks his dog across the kitchen floor. His accomplishments as a player are what he is judged (or should be) in HOF consideration. This isn't the College of the Cardinals picking a Pope!

Btw....good to see HIPAA at work in all its glory!

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

So, who was a "worse" person, Ty Cobb or Pete Rose?

Is this a Sophie's Choice?

You assumed it was a medical event….
I posted i attended couple of events before, and one after at his house. Which by the way is one of the more affluent neighborhoods in the city.
It was at a fundraiser, his mom was involved in, and he went off on a tangent to the staff. Since it was her venue, staff told her we are here to take care of your needs.

Already voiced my opinion on should he be in HOF

You do realize I separated the character flaws - "Setting aside . . .", from the hollow on-field accomplishments - "he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted", right?

He was a scumbag off the field, and a dishonorable cheater on it.

Do you think Rose intended to hurt him? Was Fosse blocking the plate? Was Fosse trying to win a meaningless exhibition game? Who had more protection? A catcher or a base runner? Rose could have been injured as easily as Fosse and we might never have heard of Rose.

I have seen collisions at the plate in high school games which are meaningless.

And years ago, I was playing in a coed softball league. I was covering home plate (with no protection) and a girl was trying to score. I had the ball when she was about 20 feet from home plate. I expected her to slow up and be tagged. Instead, she kept coming full speed, lowered her shoulder, and ran into me. She knocked me down (but I held onto the ball). That was a meaningless exhibition game.

I’m not defending his character....the only thing he’s been sanctioned for ...was as a manager, for gambling. If you want rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated to be the standard, then you have a lot of evictions to effect in Cooperstown. If ‘scumbaggery’ was the standard, the place would be nearly empty!

His ‘Charlie Hustle’ persona extended to ‘meaningless exhibition games’ as well. I was too young to remember the incident but have since watched the videos of it. I admire any athlete that plays with that type of intensity, sports blind....because that’s what made those eras in all sports so special. These All Star games are embarrassing today. They are all just corporate picnics ...the athleticism, competitive spirit and significance have all disappeared

I usually disagree with Stephen A. Smith. But even he got this one right!!

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Roger Clemens started the pay for autographs

Joe DiMaggio as to why he always gave his best.

"There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best." Source: The Sporting News (April 4, 1951)

Why? He didn’t deserve it when he was alive and doesn’t deserve it now.

I met him at a store where he was signing baseballs. He wanted $350.00 got his autograph. No thanks.

He was also extremely arrogant and wouldn’t even have a conversation with anyone. I guess he was not happy that nobody was paying for his worthless autograph.

Of course not....why would you put the all time hits leader (a record that still stands and may never be eclipsed)....in Cooperstown? :1rotfl: