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BrianL99 10-16-2024 02:17 PM

Damn Electric Cars & Sudden Acceleration!
 
"When she placed her foot on the accelerator, the electric vehicle rapidly powered forward and kept going until it crashed into a home in the 1400 block of Alesio Street."

It was the car's fault, of course.

Toymeister 10-16-2024 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379754)
It was the car's fault, of course.

You fool! Of course it's the cars fault, after all it is an electric car!

(Sarcasm now off)

Topspinmo 10-16-2024 05:15 PM

What happen to automatic braking crash avoidance system? Guess it don’t detect houses?

BrianL99 10-16-2024 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2379825)
What happen to automatic braking crash avoidance system? Guess it don’t detect houses?

That's a good point.

My car would have stopped itself.

The story (from the newspaper that can't be mentioned), said she was trying to "back into her driveway" and was too close, so she pulled forward ... obviously, waaaaay too far forward.

JoMar 10-16-2024 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2379825)
What happen to automatic braking crash avoidance system? Guess it don’t detect houses?

She probably never activated it.

villagetinker 10-16-2024 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 2379836)
She probably never activated it.

I feel very sorry for the lady. No idea on Tesla, but our automatic breaking is ON when I start the car. I have read (NO personal experience) that some Tesla cars have ONE pedal operation, press gas for GO and release for BRAKE (regenerative), I believe there is actually a brake pedal also. My point this can be very confusing for a new owner.
IMHO, I would guess the Tesla is totaled, and the repair to the house will be well over $10K, so this whole accident may come out close to $100k, hope she has good insurance.

bagboy 10-16-2024 08:05 PM

I think she was in over her head with a car that has 510 horsepower and will accelerate to 60 mph in less than 3 seconds. She probably had no idea what her car was capable of. Hopefully any injuries are minor.

BrianL99 10-16-2024 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 2379857)
I think she was in over her head with a car that has 510 horsepower and will accelerate to 60 mph in less than 3 seconds. She probably had no idea what her car was capable of. Hopefully any injuries are minor.

So this a serious question. I've been in a Tesla and the acceleration is amazing. I've heard reports that these things actually have over 500 hp. Why?

I get it, if you're building a car to compete with a Dodge Hellcat, but why does Mr & Mrs Havisham need so much power? Is there something about electric vehicles, that demands this sort of power production?

biker1 10-16-2024 09:08 PM

It looks like a Model Y. They aren’t that fast.

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 2379857)
I think she was in over her head with a car that has 510 horsepower and will accelerate to 60 mph in less than 3 seconds. She probably had no idea what her car was capable of. Hopefully any injuries are minor.


Tvflguy 10-16-2024 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2379864)
It looks like a Model Y. They aren’t that fast.

We have a new Tesla. Believe me, ANY Tesla - even standard versions can FLY extremely quickly from a dead stop. Does not need to be a souped up triple motor version. They are amazing.

CoachKandSportsguy 10-17-2024 05:25 AM

A former NJ world champion in sailing, in the 70s, my sophomore year sailing coach, turned lawyer, is now in his early 70s. He has been a FL lawyer since the 1980s. His last case prior to retiring to Mississippi is a sudden acceleration case again GM which has a significant personal injury component, His toughest part is being able to break the GM computer code which also covers up the events in certain ways. He also has proof that GM has known about the flaws/issues, and didn't change anything for a year or so.

This isn't Tesla's first sudden acceleration case, there are many

ThirdOfFive 10-17-2024 06:08 AM

Not unheard-of. A guy from Minnesota spent four years in prison on (as I recall) 1st degree manslaughter conviction. He claimed the accelerator on his car stuck and he was unable to free it before striking and killing three people. The court didn't buy it and sent him to prison. It was only after numerous other reports were made and recall notices sent, of the same make of car experiencing the same kind of issue that this person had experienced, that an appeal was made and he was freed.

His car was ICE, not electric. But unexpected mechanical issues can happen with any machine no matter what the power source.

Don't be too quick to judge.

BrianL99 10-17-2024 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2379894)
Not unheard-of. A guy from Minnesota spent four years in prison on (as I recall) 1st degree manslaughter conviction. He claimed the accelerator on his car stuck and he was unable to free it before striking and killing three people. The court didn't buy it and sent him to prison. It was only after numerous other reports were made and recall notices sent, of the same make of car experiencing the same kind of issue that this person had experienced, that an appeal was made and he was freed.

His car was ICE, not electric. But unexpected mechanical issues can happen with any machine no matter what the power source.

Don't be too quick to judge.


Man Freed From Prison In Toyota Acceleration Case : The Two-Way : NPR

bagboy 10-17-2024 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379858)
So this a serious question. I've been in a Tesla and the acceleration is amazing. I've heard reports that these things actually have over 500 hp. Why?

I get it, if you're building a car to compete with a Dodge Hellcat, but why does Mr & Mrs Havisham need so much power? Is there something about electric vehicles, that demands this sort of power production?

It doesn't make sense to me. My 68 Chevelle back in my youth had 375 horsepower. I can't imagine over 500.

biker1 10-17-2024 08:06 AM

I was responding to the post that claimed it was capable of 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. The car involved in the crash was a Model Y and they aren’t that fast. Yes, there are some Tesla models can meet that number and yes, all Tesla are pretty fast. I am looking to buy the refreshed Model Y in the spring. I trust you have been happy with yours?

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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2379867)
We have a new Tesla. Believe me, ANY Tesla - even standard versions can FLY extremely quickly from a dead stop. Does not need to be a souped up triple motor version. They are amazing.


Tvflguy 10-17-2024 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2379943)
I was responding to the post that claimed it was capable of 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. The car involved in the crash was a Model Y and they aren’t that fast. Yes, there are some Tesla models can meet that number and yes, all Tesla are pretty fast. I am looking to buy the refreshed Model Y in the spring. I trust you have been happy with yours?

Love ours. First EV/Tesla. Amazing. So easy to drive. Best feature is one pedal driving. Almost never need to touch the brake. The car slows and stops via regenerative braking with the motors, charging the batts at the same time. Brake pads last forever.

If interested the Tesla Clermont sales service, they are happy to give you complimentary 1/2 hour drives in any model.

biker1 10-17-2024 11:36 AM

I have been on a few test drives out by the airport and also the new Clermont center. The last test drive had the FSD enabled - very impressive. The one pedal driving was very convenient.

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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2380038)
Love ours. First EV/Tesla. Amazing. So easy to drive. Best feature is one pedal driving. Almost never need to touch the brake. The car slows and stops via regenerative braking with the motors, charging the batts at the same time. Brake pads last forever.

If interested the Tesla Clermont sales service, they are happy to give you complimentary 1/2 hour drives in any model.


MorTech 10-17-2024 12:09 PM

Some people in TV complained that the electric golf carts accelerate too fast.

Retiring 10-17-2024 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379858)
So this a serious question. I've been in a Tesla and the acceleration is amazing. I've heard reports that these things actually have over 500 hp. Why?

I get it, if you're building a car to compete with a Dodge Hellcat, but why does Mr & Mrs Havisham need so much power? Is there something about electric vehicles, that demands this sort of power production?

Why 510hp? I believe Elon Musk would say, because it’s cool. I don’t have a Tesla, waiting for that quick charge, 1000 mile battery.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-17-2024 08:58 PM

If I had the finances (and a wider car port or a real garage) I'd definitely consider a plug-in hybrid. I wouldn't get an all-electric vehicle, I don't trust them and wouldn't ever feel safe in one. But one that uses gas and regenerative braking to charge the battery? C'mon that is just such a cool idea.

Cuervo 10-18-2024 04:41 AM

Am I reading this wrong?
Look the car could have been gas, hydrogen, electric or rubber band.
Once a person gets behind the wheel, they're the one person responsible, if they don't know what they're driving they should be walking.
You have to understand what you're driving and purchase what you need.
I see corvettes in The Villages doing 20 mph and rust covered death traps doing 90 mph.

PersonOfInterest 10-18-2024 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2380173)
If I had the finances (and a wider car port or a real garage) I'd definitely consider a plug-in hybrid. I wouldn't get an all-electric vehicle, I don't trust them and wouldn't ever feel safe in one. But one that uses gas and regenerative braking to charge the battery? C'mon that is just such a cool idea.

What would make you 'trust' a hybrid but not trust an all electric vehicle? Isn't a hybrid an all electric vehicle with a small gas engine to charge the batteries?

Bay Kid 10-18-2024 07:32 AM

My 550 BMW is very fast but I also love the Avalon hybrid @ 50 mpg. Not a fan of total electric.

merrymini 10-18-2024 07:40 AM

Moronic. I had aTesla 3 and the moment you take your foot off the accelerator, the car comes to a dead stop. You do not even need to touch the brake. Operator error, simple.

Caymus 10-18-2024 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cuervo (Post 2380197)
Am I reading this wrong?
Look the car could have been gas, hydrogen, electric or rubber band.
Once a person gets behind the wheel, they're the one person responsible, if they don't know what they're driving they should be walking.
You have to understand what you're driving and purchase what you need.
I see corvettes in The Villages doing 20 mph and rust covered death traps doing 90 mph.

About 10 years ago a car came racing across a parking lot and smashed into the wall near where I was standing. It turned out that the car had "hand" controls, and the driver had a medical issue.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379858)
So this a serious question. I've been in a Tesla and the acceleration is amazing. I've heard reports that these things actually have over 500 hp. Why?

I get it, if you're building a car to compete with a Dodge Hellcat, but why does Mr & Mrs Havisham need so much power? Is there something about electric vehicles, that demands this sort of power production?

She always has the option to buy the less powerful car just as you can with Dodge. She apparently chose not to. This has nothing to do with EVs, just the marketplace and freedom.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 08:11 AM

Automatic braking does not work very well on grass as there is a much lower coefficient of friction.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2379825)
What happen to automatic braking crash avoidance system? Guess it don’t detect houses?

It Full Self Driving was enabled, it never would have happened which is kind of the point of FSD. However FSD is still an option that must be paid for and enabled.

HORNET 10-18-2024 08:21 AM

Maybe a retesting for a drivers license

OhioBuckeye 10-18-2024 08:35 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
Sorry but that’s funny but sorry to say it’s not. Our Nephew in Law is a Dr. & he bought 2 EV’s & said he would never buy another EV he never said why but he drives a gasoline car now. But sorry about your mishap, it’s not funny she could be seriously hurt or killed god bless her & you!

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2380173)
If I had the finances (and a wider car port or a real garage) I'd definitely consider a plug-in hybrid. I wouldn't get an all-electric vehicle, I don't trust them and wouldn't ever feel safe in one. But one that uses gas and regenerative braking to charge the battery? C'mon that is just such a cool idea.

That is 2 drivetrains to maintain and is too much extra weight thus inefficient. Teslas have the best crash test ratings.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 2380274)
Sorry but that’s funny but sorry to say it’s not. Our Nephew in Law is a Dr. & he bought 2 EV’s & said he would never buy another EV he never said why but he drives a gasoline car now. But sorry about your mishap, it’s not funny she could be seriously hurt or killed god bless her & you!

Good luck with that since many world politicians, countries and states are all going EV. ICE large pickup trucks might be around a little longer. Was the previous EVs a Tesla?

Topspinmo 10-18-2024 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379858)
So this a serious question. I've been in a Tesla and the acceleration is amazing. I've heard reports that these things actually have over 500 hp. Why?

I get it, if you're building a car to compete with a Dodge Hellcat, but why does Mr & Mrs Havisham need so much power? Is there something about electric vehicles, that demands this sort of power production?

Electric motors produce more torque than than ICE engines. IMO there should be (and probably are) torque controls limited power. IMO normal driving mode should be limited to 200 HP. Even with that 200 HP electric motor has instant torque which in this situation probably wouldn’t made difference?

Bill14564 10-18-2024 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380266)
It Full Self Driving was enabled, it never would have happened which is kind of the point of FSD. However FSD is still an option that must be paid for and enabled.

Not likely that FSD would have been enabled while backing into a driveway.

I don't know about Teslas but in my car I can override the crash-avoidance feature by pressing the accelerator - the car may want to stop but I can tell it to keep going. I haven't crashed into a house to see what would happen in the final second but I suspect the accelerator would override crash-avoidance.

Bill14564 10-18-2024 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380275)
That is 2 drivetrains to maintain and is too much extra weight thus inefficient. Teslas have the best crash test ratings.

Hybrids are wildly popular and the most gas-efficient vehicles on the road.
- My Prius got better mileage than my motorcycle
- Full EVs aren't gas efficient, they don't use gas at all

Might depend on the particular vehicle but some have a single drivetrain powered by two sources (motor or engine). Definitely more parts but not totally separate drivetrains.

Cuervo 10-18-2024 09:54 AM

I own an Ioniq 6, when I bought the car, I was totally aware of the problems I would be facing with an EV.
Distance, the time it takes to recharge the battery and the availability of charging stations. I was totally aware how quickly the car accelerates, that's all they would talk about on YouTube when you looked up EVs.
One day I realized one of the benefits when I drove by a gas station that I frequented all the time and had not stopped in since I own the car.
I'm going to be driving up to N.Y. at the end of the month and since I'm retired, I have plenty of time and I'm going to make it a 3 day trip.
You see I look at a car as a tool, and I purchased the car that met my needs.
If you buy a car because you like the look, or it is in fashion you're making a terrible mistake.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2380287)
Hybrids are wildly popular and the most gas-efficient vehicles on the road.
- My Prius got better mileage than my motorcycle
- Full EVs aren't gas efficient, they don't use gas at all

Might depend on the particular vehicle but some have a single drivetrain powered by two sources (motor or engine). Definitely more parts but not totally separate drivetrains.

A Tesla Model 3 is rated at 132mpg equivalent which no hybrid can touch. Only maintenance is tires and wiper blades. No oil changes, no brake jobs, no transmission service, no spark plugs,.......

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2380283)
Electric motors produce more torque than than ICE engines. IMO there should be (and probably are) torque controls limited power. IMO normal driving mode should be limited to 200 HP. Even with that 200 HP electric motor has instant torque which in this situation probably wouldn’t made difference?

Yes we should ban Corvettes, Massive SUVs, Massive Trucks, high performance and large vehicles are overrated. All anyone needs is a Trabant

Bill14564 10-18-2024 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380324)
A Tesla Model 3 is rated at 132mpg equivalent which no hybrid can touch. Only maintenance is tires and wiper blades. No oil changes, no brake jobs, no transmission service, no spark plugs,.......

I didn't argue that a Tesla was not a nice car. I wrote that it does not burn gas and is therefore not gas-efficient.

I don't have a Tesla but I believe to that maintenance you have to add annual brake maintenance and more frequent and expensive tire replacement. Not unexpected with a heavy performance vehicle but definitely an added cost.

I would have been wary of the electronics and software package but as there has not been a lot of press of Tesla's "blue screening," the software must be in pretty good shape.

It would be really great if a Tesla fit my driving habits. Unfortunately, today it does not.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2380330)
I didn't argue that a Tesla was not a nice car. I wrote that it does not burn gas and is therefore not gas-efficient.

I don't have a Tesla but I believe to that maintenance you have to add annual brake maintenance and more frequent and expensive tire replacement. Not unexpected with a heavy performance vehicle but definitely an added cost.

I would have been wary of the electronics and software package but as there has not been a lot of press of Tesla's "blue screening," the software must be in pretty good shape.

It would be really great if a Tesla fit my driving habits. Unfortunately, today it does not.

Blue screening is a Microsoft issue and does not apply to any other computer system.

The standard model 3 is not a performance car but the most efficient economy car on the planet. It has a lower 5 year cost of ownership than both Accord and Camry. Maintenance is essentially zero as well. Most people I know do not enjoy having to bring their vehicle into service but to the each their own.


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