Arrest in UHC shooting
 

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2392142]Person of interest nabbed in fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside NYC hotel[/QUOTe

High School Valedictorian. Graduate of Ivy League University. 26 years old. Beef against corporate greed. Name is Luigi Mangione.

I think he is from Maryland.

Hopefully, the observant individual at the McDonalds gets the full reward. Be nice if UHC would put some in the reward kitty.

Jury selection will be interesting if he goes to trial. He could get off just like OJ.

I heard that UHC kicked in a $25 co-pay. . .

Good that they have arrested a highly probably suspect.
Agree that the jury selection will be interesting. He is an amateur for sure, still carrying around similar weapons and with a public manifesto.

Friends of my xwife knew a contract killer hit man. Lived next door to their camp in Maine. Didn't know anything about the person, and neither did the guy's wife, until the FBI showed up one day and hauled him off forever.

He just went on business trips for a week or so. .

just remember:
in an autocracy, communism, socialism, you fear the government.
in democracies, with personal freedom, you fear each other.

That sure looks like the guy in one of the pictures where he is smiling at someone.

The defense will have quite an easy job of finding jurors who can relate to accused.

The trial will be in New York. From the comments that I have seen online, I think it will be hard to get all 12 jurors to convict. At least one or two jurors will hate insurance companies and will vote to acquit - no matter the evidence.

I would hope that the jury pool will consist of good Americans who look to the laws of the USA and know premeditated. murder when they see it. As far as the chorus of internet nonsense that this heinous crime has any legitimacy I can’t fathom how any thinking person could side with a murderer. If we are going to hold CEO’s responsible for all the bad things that happen to us we are in trouble as a society. For example, someone doesn’t get warranty coverage on their car so they begin to plot revenge? Everyone talks about how great it would be to have national health insurance like Canada and England, but what they forget is that these countries can do this because they limit access to health care. I can see how difficult it can be for people to watch their loved ones die from deadly diseases and they are willing to try any experimental drug no matter what the cost. These expensive drugs don’t always change the outcome or are not yet accepted by the medical community so they are not approved by different countries, or in the case of the USA, different insurance companies. Even Medicare in the USA does not include all therapies and drugs in its CMS formulary. Would people justify going after Medicare? The internet is a godless place where people often say awful things as they can hide behind the veil of anonymity. I hope the jury looks to the nation’s laws not their own prejudices.

Seeing his point of view is one thing. Finding him guilty should be quite easy. If the prosecutor presents a really good case and is lucky with who he or she or they get on the jury.


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Regardless of how this turns out I would take what the media says with a grain of salt. They throw around “ghost gun” like they have any idea. The pic I saw looked like a stippled Glock. Maybe 3D printed. But they also act like you can print an entire functional gun. They use “manifesto” for anything a suspect has written.

This guy is apparently dumb as a stump having kept as much evidence as possible on his person.

A '"Ghost Gun" is a gun with a home-made receiver with NO serial #.

It is easy to mill from a block of aluminum or via 3D printing. The the receiver can be made to look like a Glock and once you add the addition (Glock) parts, you have what LOOKS like a Glock...

The other arts are easily and LEGALL available to pruchse and have NO identifying markings.

THAT is the definition of a ghost gunt and the media is using the term correctly...

^^^. I agree.

The eyebrows are distinctive.

I think you would have to be a pretty dumb prosecutor to lose this case.

Luigi Mangione charged with murder of healthcare CEO - BBC News

Let's get down to the basics, no matter what he claims his motivation was, this gut is not wrapped too tight. Anyone with half a brain knows if you get caught which is usually the case, you will spend a good portion of the rest of your life behind bars.

Unless you're talking about cooperate greed crime doesn't pay. Just do the math, you steal a $1,000,000 and you get caught the odds are you will do about 10 years in jail, if your smart you can earn that in the same amount of time on the outside and you won't have to share your life in a two by four with a roommate.

Don't waste your time trying to analyze this guy.

This morning's news stated he was charged with SECOND degree murder. I'm not a lawyer, but he picked his target, hunted him down and killed him. If that's not premeditation, I don't know what is.

My point was more that the media doesn't actually know. They see a pic where you can't see the serial number and assume it's a ghost gun. If they used the word correctly in this case they just got lucky. They prove pretty routinely they don't know anything about guns, for instance calling an AR 15 a weapon of war.

I agree. I am disgusted at the "he had it coming to him." attitude all over the Internet and in the media by what appears to be the majority of people in this country. Maybe that's just the media making it seem that way. I get people's grievances with big corporations but to gun down another human being in cold blood, and shoot him in the back no less, is evil. No due process, no legal representation, just some angry person who feels he was wronged or on some crusade gets to be the judge, jury, and executioner. All I can say is if the majority of people really do feel this way, we are already lost as a country.

Isn't this a dealth penalty case? He crossed state lines to commit it, its clearly premeditated, wouldn't that make it a federal crime eligible for the death penalty? I have asked this questions in a few forums and no one seems to know.

Not the way he is singing!

Not according to this.


7 Situations Where "Murder" Is a Federal Crime

My thoughts at 1st about leaving evidence. So much that I feel he planned on being caught. I believe there is a lot more to this.

In NY, premeditated murder is not first degree murder. First degree murder usually requires that a cop, fireman, judge or other state employee be killed. They don’t care about the rest of us.


Just a moment...

As for a jury...perhaps a bench trial could be offered. The judge then decides.

And I wonder why so many dislike insurance of any kind???? We here haven’t felt the raft of insurance yet but we soon will. IMO health, property, and vehicle insurance should be one payer, Federal government might as well be getting 100s of billions or trillion’s insurance collecting. Don’t’ t say they can’t better job can’t do any worse. Fed usually government bail insurance out anyway.

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Someone blamed DEI for this. I responded that DEI has nothing to do with it. Their post was deleted, mine was edited by someone other than me, which resulted in an out-of-context to a no-longer-existing post. My opinion stands - DEI had nothing to do with this.

That what was of thought of OJ trail or Anthony trial?

Figures. I wonder if 1st degree includes "protected classes" or "hate" crimes (I love that term--after all people murder people they love)

Death penalty IMO will guarantee he will die of old age.

Reading social media would give you a view that the sentiment is a majority of the country, but i highly doubt that is the case. There are forces which are trying to break down the US from within, without any actual violence, etc. these are trolls, designed to amplify anti democratic themes, and stir discontent. They are preying on for profit media which rely on views/ads for money. Musk/X has that built into his views payments, from where many get their leads.

in reality, I do not believe that the majority of people in this country believe what you stated. I believe that the majority of people are of two reactions:

1) indifference to the shooting similar to the indifference of insurance companies to their customers.
2) its no different that other shootings of children, concert goers, mass shootings, etc. where guns are an issue, not for the sane and responsible, but for the insane and irresponsible.

So that is why there are not a huge outcry against the individual, when nothing has been done about removing similar weapons which have killed many more innocent people enjoying life in an outdoor gathering, or children going to school. And many have personally experienced insurance issues of rejection.

When there is a possibility of redress / punishment for abuse, many people will feel relieved that the abuse, financial or otherwise, is addressed, and will not feel the need to act out. If people don't have faith in the system for punishments, then a few will act out.

Other people similarly fed up with society's lack of actions:
Bernard Goetz if you are of northeast familiarity
1984 New York City Subway shooting - Wikipedia
Very recently, Dan Penny chokehold death of catch/release of abuser/harasser
Jury finds Daniel Penny not guilty in NYC subway chokehold case - Gothamist
Unabomber Ted Kaczynski
Ted Kaczynski - Wikipedia

The problem is the society's view of the legal system, and less so of the protectors of the law.

Luigi appears to have been a follower of Ted Kaczynski prior to any medical experiences, which he may have experienced. So he was psychologically primed for something to set him off.

This is a feature, not a bug, of humanity
with freedom you fear each other,
with autocracy you fear the government

now get off of social media and back to enjoying what life we have remaining !

:agree:

No matter what the shooter chose to target one person. He could have entered corporate offices and killed many who weren’t even involved in decision-making. My guess is thats why corporate has a lock down on offices, concerned for their other employees.

The Crypto betting market predicted he would be caught on the 6th day. I don't see a line for odds of conviction.


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Strange, that he got away as far as he did, then he got sloppy, like keeping the gun . It is as if he wanted to get caught to take credit for the crime. If I had been him, I would have bleached my hair and eyebrows and taken off for Mexico and had plastic surgery on my nose.

I don't think that he will get acquitted, but a lot of people on various talk sites are thinking of him as a modern Robin Hood. I can see a lot of EVIL in companies like UHC - an insurance company with the highest rejection rate in their industry - and high pay for their executives.
..........I think that professional and amateur football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, and golf players and coaches all make too much money. But, I doubt that they are as HATED as an UHC executive.

Well, he is hardly "dumb as a stump". Not too many stumps have a masters degree in engineering. He did seem to get dumb toward the end, but maybe he wanted to get caught. He should have bleached his hair and eyebrows and gotten a different nose in Mexico if he was serious about getting away with it.

Interested in hearing his motive…CEO & his wife were separated. Humm..

I think that 2 things can be TRUE at the same time. It is terrible that someone is murdered! But, we have a problem in this country with too much money going upward after about 1970. The middle class became weaker and the upper class became much, much stronger. The enemy is the tax rate levels, not one particular UHC executive that just took advantage of the system.
........The shooter is being thought of as a Robin Hood figure. That is wrong, but his glorification "POINTS OUT" that the average US citizen has lost money and power after the tax changes around 1970
..........The US would be much stronger and more stable IF SOMEHOW it could go back to the tax levels of the 50s and 60s. When, not coincidentally, America really was GREAT.

The last I heard, it is in New York's jurisdiction so no death penalty there.