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PeteF 02-12-2025 12:11 PM

Tariffs Surprise - Personal Experience
 
About a week ago, I had to replace (under warranty) the charger for my Lithium Ion Golf Cart Battery.

The Chinese company was great . They shipped me a new charger from China within two days, and it arrived 4 days after they shipped it ... Air express via UPS.

Surprise, when UPS delivered the charger there was a $15 Tariff due (20% of the $75 charger valuation) and UPS tacked on another $15 service charge.

Obviously I was a bit surprised by this, especially the $15 service charge from UPS on a $15 Tariff.

As the economist and financial people have been saying ... US people and companies pay the tariff when the goods land ... its not a paid by Chinese companies. Additional, nobody has talked about the service charges that the shipping companies are imposing.

Just a little heads up if you are expecting a shipment directly from China.

Please note: I am not saying that Tariffs are good or bad policy - that needs to be decided by people with a lot more Tariff knowledge and experience than I have. This post is meant as just a heads up on what you might experience should you order directly from China.

rustyp 02-12-2025 12:30 PM

What the - China was supposed to pay that tariff.

Thus the $75 charger now costs $105. Looks like instant 40% inflation to me.

I assume the UPS charge was to fill out the paperwork for the tariff filing.

Bill14564 02-12-2025 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2408953)
What the - China was supposed to pay that tariff.

Actually, it is the importer who pays the tariff. In this case either UPS was the importer (not likely, they were just the carrier) or the OP was the importer since they took delivery of the product directly from the carrier.

At least that is what seems to have happened.

If the Chinese company had worked through a local business then that business would have been charged for the tariff. They may have taken it out of profit but chances are they would have passed it along to the OP as well.

Topspinmo 02-12-2025 01:15 PM

IMO it’s time for equal trade nearly all countries charge tariffs to protect their economy, so why not use? IMO it boils down to cost of labor. It labor not close they can’t be no free equal trade. IMO the problem started 50 years plus ago when companies was allow to move to foreign land for cheap labor and didn’t pay penalties for gutting blue collar labor in this country. What happens when you allow communist access to education and stealing of critically information.

From Google

Global Trade Guide
Tariffs
International (Global) Trade: Definition, Benefits, and Criticisms
What are Tariffs?
Tariffs and Trade Barriers
Trade Wars
How Would a Trade War Affect You?
Who Has the Highest Tariffs?
CURRENT ARTICLE
Protectionism
Global Players
The Plaza Accord
Currency Wars
Factors Driving the USD
Emerging Markets: The Parts of Russia's GDP
How OPEC (and Non-OPEC) Production Affects Oil Prices
BRICS: Acronym for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa
The Economy of Canada

IMO time to even play ground.

rustyp 02-12-2025 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2408953)
What the - China was supposed to pay that tariff.

Thus the $75 charger now costs $105. Looks like instant 40% inflation to me.

I assume the UPS charge was to fill out the paperwork for the tariff filing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2408954)
Actually, it is the importer who pays the tariff. In this case either UPS was the importer (not likely, they were just the carrier) or the OP was the importer since they took delivery of the product directly from the carrier.

At least that is what seems to have happened.

If the Chinese company had worked through a local business then that business would have been charged for the tariff. They may have taken it out of profit but chances are they would have passed it along to the OP as well.

It was sarcasm. I lived in a US/Canadian border town for years. I am very aware who pays the tariff. When I brought goods I purchased in Canada into the US I had to pay the tariff. The US government made me go inside fill out the paperwork and pay the DUTY on the spot ! Me myself and I - the consumer (in this case I was the importer) - not the manufacturer.

Like you Bill it amazes me people do not understand who pays the tariff.

Blueblaze 02-12-2025 02:47 PM

Sounds like a very good reason to not import things directly from China.

Bill14564 02-12-2025 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2408980)
It was sarcasm. I lived in a US/Canadian border town for years. I am very aware who pays the tariff. When I brought goods I purchased in Canada into the US I had to pay the tariff. The US government made me go inside fill out the paperwork and pay the DUTY on the spot ! Me myself and I - the consumer (in this case I was the importer) - not the manufacturer.

Like you Bill it amazes me people do not understand who pays the tariff.

Sorry, I missed that.

I made regular beer runs to Niagara Falls. Always declares it but only had to par about half the time. Spent the night up there once and left very early. Woke up the officer working the desk. Asked why I was there, gave me a look of disgust, and told me to get out.

HappyTraveler 02-12-2025 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2408980)
It was sarcasm. I lived in a US/Canadian border town for years. I am very aware who pays the tariff. When I brought goods I purchased in Canada into the US I had to pay the tariff. The US government made me go inside fill out the paperwork and pay the DUTY on the spot ! Me myself and I - the consumer (in this case I was the importer) - not the manufacturer.

Like you Bill it amazes me people do not understand who pays the tariff.

That's interesting. On the couple of occasions that I've ordered something from Canada online, I paid no tariff or import fees to have it delivered to me in the USA.

But, when I've shipped to Canada from here, the import fees were added either to the sale (if I sold on Ebay, etc) or it was added when the postage label was created.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-12-2025 05:02 PM

My response to anyone sincerely surprised by increased prices from countries that have had a US tariff imposed:

FAFO

Thoughts, prayers, yada yada yada.

Rocksnap 02-13-2025 04:14 AM

There’s a reason I buy made in American. And a reason why I don’t buy made in China. Regardless of tariffs.

Cuervo 02-13-2025 04:45 AM

When it comes to tariffs the majority of the economist stand firm that the burden will fall on the American people and will start an economic battle that all parties will suffer. Look for those who have doubts this is even the beliefs of the Wall Street Journal, who main interest is the stability of the U.S financial markets.

Dahabs 02-13-2025 04:50 AM

Better get used to runaway inflation if the plan is to have everything manufactured in the good old USA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2408960)
IMO it’s time for equal trade nearly all countries charge tariffs to protect their economy, so why not use? IMO it boils down to cost of labor. It labor not close they can’t be no free equal trade. IMO the problem started 50 years plus ago when companies was allow to move to foreign land for cheap labor and didn’t pay penalties for gutting blue collar labor in this country. What happens when you allow communist access to education and stealing of critically information.

From Google

Global Trade Guide
Tariffs
International (Global) Trade: Definition, Benefits, and Criticisms
What are Tariffs?
Tariffs and Trade Barriers
Trade Wars
How Would a Trade War Affect You?
Who Has the Highest Tariffs?
CURRENT ARTICLE
Protectionism
Global Players
The Plaza Accord
Currency Wars
Factors Driving the USD
Emerging Markets: The Parts of Russia's GDP
How OPEC (and Non-OPEC) Production Affects Oil Prices
BRICS: Acronym for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa
The Economy of Canada

IMO time to even play ground.


La lamy 02-13-2025 06:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 2409102)
Better get used to runaway inflation if the plan is to have everything manufactured in the good old USA.

Exactly!! That's why so much gets imported, it's been cheaper to have it made outside the USA. Until now that is. Good luck to all of us through this tariff war.

maggie1 02-13-2025 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2409096)
There’s a reason I buy made in American. And a reason why I don’t buy made in China. Regardless of tariffs.

We make things in America? Give me a hint of what they are and I'll get on the bandwagon, too.

RickyLee 02-13-2025 06:42 AM

I thought tariffs were to get us to manufacture, buy & support American ?

Sgt Ed 02-13-2025 07:20 AM

They are going to get their money no matter who imports it. Like other taxes the governments gets their graft first.

opinionist 02-13-2025 07:33 AM

If tariffs can replace the income tax, then I say bring it on.
If tariffs can help bring jobs back from overseas, I say bring it on.

RoseyRed 02-13-2025 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteF (Post 2408951)
About a week ago, I had to replace (under warranty) the charger for my Lithium Ion Golf Cart Battery.

The Chinese company was great . They shipped me a new charger from China within two days, and it arrived 4 days after they shipped it ... Air express via UPS.

Surprise, when UPS delivered the charger there was a $15 Tariff due (20% of the $75 charger valuation) and UPS tacked on another $15 service charge.

Obviously I was a bit surprised by this, especially the $15 service charge from UPS on a $15 Tariff.

As the economist and financial people have been saying ... US people and companies pay the tariff when the goods land ... its not a paid by Chinese companies. Additional, nobody has talked about the service charges that the shipping companies are imposing.

Just a little heads up if you are expecting a shipment directly from China.

Please note: I am not saying that Tariffs are good or bad policy - that needs to be decided by people with a lot more Tariff knowledge and experience than I have. This post is meant as just a heads up on what you might experience should you order directly from China.

I am not an expert on tariffs by no means, but am curious who benefits from the increased tariff income? Who has access to this income and what can it be used for?

Kelevision 02-13-2025 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2408953)
What the - China was supposed to pay that tariff.

Thus the $75 charger now costs $105. Looks like instant 40% inflation to me.

I assume the UPS charge was to fill out the paperwork for the tariff filing.

Lol… you’re joking right??? Please tell me you’re joking.

Kelevision 02-13-2025 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2409142)
If tariffs can replace the income tax, then I say bring it on.
If tariffs can help bring jobs back from overseas, I say bring it on.

It won’t and it won’t. You’re worried about jobs from overseas when they literally bring in HB-1 visa immigrants to do the jobs here because “ we need smart people here to do the jobs” also, how many millions of Americans are being fired currently. What jobs will they be taking now. YOU’RE FIRED!!

retiredguy123 02-13-2025 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 2409119)
We make things in America? Give me a hint of what they are and I'll get on the bandwagon, too.

Go to Amazon.com and search:

"made in usa products only"

airstreamingypsy 02-13-2025 08:07 AM

Tighten your belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

CoachKandSportsguy 02-13-2025 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuervo (Post 2409100)
When it comes to tariffs the majority of the economist stand firm that the burden will fall on the American people and will start an economic battle that all parties will suffer. Look for those who have doubts this is even the beliefs of the Wall Street Journal, who main interest is the stability of the U.S financial markets.

The question: is your economic policy goal the cheapest cost of production wins? regardless of the location or the second / third order effects?

OR

is the economic policy locally mfg goods with better delivery times and less potential supply chain disruptions, with a stronger domestic money flows for financing?

If you pick the second, the only pain is the transition from the first to the second, and that can be temporary.

kareneluck 02-13-2025 08:20 AM

The manufacturing is not yet set up in the US again. The labor in the US is more costly than offshore. That’s why many items were imported. Bring Manufacturing back to the US and the prices go up again. We are going back years. The consumer will pay more for everything world wide. These deals were originally made for everyone to pay less. Look out consumer. It will be a wild ride

coconutmama 02-13-2025 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2409142)
If tariffs can replace the income tax, then I say bring it on.
If tariffs can help bring jobs back from overseas, I say bring it on.

It would take years to build back manufacturing here to any meaningful rate on any real & necessary items.

To compete, many jobs would have to be automated.

Remember also that our taxes pay for our military. I don’t mind paying my fair share

Janie123 02-13-2025 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteF (Post 2408951)
About a week ago, I had to replace (under warranty) the charger for my Lithium Ion Golf Cart Battery.

The Chinese company was great . They shipped me a new charger from China within two days, and it arrived 4 days after they shipped it ... Air express via UPS.

Surprise, when UPS delivered the charger there was a $15 Tariff due (20% of the $75 charger valuation) and UPS tacked on another $15 service charge. Most likely, that charger would be cheaper on a site like Amazon as they probably do one big paperwork surcharge monthly or whatever is required and probably do it automagically as well.

Obviously I was a bit surprised by this, especially the $15 service charge from UPS on a $15 Tariff.

As the economist and financial people have been saying ... US people and companies pay the tariff when the goods land ... its not a paid by Chinese companies. Additional, nobody has talked about the service charges that the shipping companies are imposing.

Just a little heads up if you are expecting a shipment directly from China.

Please note: I am not saying that Tariffs are good or bad policy - that needs to be decided by people with a lot more Tariff knowledge and experience than I have. This post is meant as just a heads up on what you might experience should you order directly from China.

In September UPS added a $.50 per pound surcharge on all goods from China and Hong Kong. It’s $.25 from all the other South Pacific countries. AI said it was due to fuel charges from that region.

My guess is buying Chinese goods via say Amazon, they roll that price into the product you see on their website as Amazon is the importer of record.

UPS plans surge fee for all China-to-US imports | Supply Chain Dive

GATORBILL66 02-13-2025 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteF (Post 2408951)
About a week ago, I had to replace (under warranty) the charger for my Lithium Ion Golf Cart Battery.

The Chinese company was great . They shipped me a new charger from China within two days, and it arrived 4 days after they shipped it ... Air express via UPS.

Surprise, when UPS delivered the charger there was a $15 Tariff due (20% of the $75 charger valuation) and UPS tacked on another $15 service charge.

Obviously I was a bit surprised by this, especially the $15 service charge from UPS on a $15 Tariff.

As the economist and financial people have been saying ... US people and companies pay the tariff when the goods land ... its not a paid by Chinese companies. Additional, nobody has talked about the service charges that the shipping companies are imposing.

Just a little heads up if you are expecting a shipment directly from China.

Please note: I am not saying that Tariffs are good or bad policy - that needs to be decided by people with a lot more Tariff knowledge and experience than I have. This post is meant as just a heads up on what you might experience should you order directly from China.

Hope you learned you lesson. BUY AMERICAN!

DaveNKath 02-13-2025 08:55 AM

Hi, maybe items should be banned and not have a tariff. Items are made cheaper outside of the U.S., BUT the prices are "inflated to U.S. prices. IE: Charge the same price but make it at a cheaper cost. American companies used and still use this practice. Americans, sold out America. The stock market transition of companies to IPO stock investors changed everything for the investor profits. Too bad for the people and economy.
Ok, so lets make all companies privately owned. Stop paying stock investors & pay employees. The U.S. citizen is "the economy.

Haggar 02-13-2025 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2409142)
If tariffs can replace the income tax, then I say bring it on.
If tariffs can help bring jobs back from overseas, I say bring it on.

In 2024 tariffs were 1.6% of total US revenues. If anyone thinks increasing tariffs will eliminate income tax - well, you figure it out.

Increasing tariffs on foreign made imports of steel and aluminum will allow US producers to raise prices.

Either way costs go up. Estimates are that these actions will add another $2,000 to $3,000 to the cost of a car.

So who benefits?

Rickanvic 02-13-2025 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2409187)
Hope you learned you lesson. BUY AMERICAN!

Hmmm🤔 didn't sound like he had a choice when he got the part under warranty. Easier said than done.

Unruly 02-13-2025 09:13 AM

If you buy American goods instead of Chinese crap there's no tariff. Simple fix for tariffs...

Normal 02-13-2025 09:19 AM

Tariffs are a Tax
 
Tariffs are a tax, there is no “if” and “or”, “but”. Companies (it does matter what language they speak) don’t operate for a loss. Where the costs are cast could be anywhere, but I assure you the bottom line of a business matters to manufacturers. The government gets the tariff’s money so yes, it’s a tax.

Like the post above mentioned, avoid it by giving the money directly to an American manufacturer and not the government. Either way though, you will pay more.

retiredguy123 02-13-2025 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unruly (Post 2409213)
If you buy American goods instead of Chinese crap there's no tariff. Simple fix for tariffs...

Simple fix? Unless you need something that is not made in the USA. That includes a lot of things.

defrey12 02-13-2025 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteF (Post 2408951)
About a week ago, I had to replace (under warranty) the charger for my Lithium Ion Golf Cart Battery.

The Chinese company was great . They shipped me a new charger from China within two days, and it arrived 4 days after they shipped it ... Air express via UPS.

Surprise, when UPS delivered the charger there was a $15 Tariff due (20% of the $75 charger valuation) and UPS tacked on another $15 service charge.

Obviously I was a bit surprised by this, especially the $15 service charge from UPS on a $15 Tariff.

As the economist and financial people have been saying ... US people and companies pay the tariff when the goods land ... its not a paid by Chinese companies. Additional, nobody has talked about the service charges that the shipping companies are imposing.

Just a little heads up if you are expecting a shipment directly from China.

Please note: I am not saying that Tariffs are good or bad policy - that needs to be decided by people with a lot more Tariff knowledge and experience than I have. This post is meant as just a heads up on what you might experience should you order directly from China.

Simple solution: BUY AMERICAN. The pain we feel now will ensure our grandchildren have a future.

Bill14564 02-13-2025 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unruly (Post 2409213)
If you buy American goods instead of Chinese crap there's no tariff. Simple fix for tariffs...

Unless those American goods use imported materials (steel, aluminum, avocados, etc).

Plus, even if the materials come from American producers, a tariff on a competing import is a free ticket for the American producer to increase prices. Sure, I don't pay the tariff, but my wallet is still lighter.

defrey12 02-13-2025 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2408953)
What the - China was supposed to pay that tariff.

Thus the $75 charger now costs $105. Looks like instant 40% inflation to me.

I assume the UPS charge was to fill out the paperwork for the tariff filing.

No, not 40% inflation. Bad purchasing DECISIONS. If y’all haven’t figured it out yet, these moves are designed to get us to “buy American” as much as anything.

RRGuyNJ 02-13-2025 09:30 AM

Yes, he said he was joking
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2409152)
Lol… you’re joking right??? Please tell me you’re joking.

He said he was joking. But, in a way he's accurate. Last month the charger cost $75. Today the same charger cost $105 due to the Tarriff and fees. In the end, it is a 40% increase which is considered an inflation in price. Maybe not inflation by true definition but it really is.

fdpaq0580 02-13-2025 09:37 AM

Bottom line: BUYER BEWARE!

MaryMS 02-13-2025 09:44 AM

Buckle your seat belts, “You ain’t seen nothing yet.”

kkingston57 02-13-2025 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2408987)
Sounds like a very good reason to not import things directly from China.

Unfortunately, that is easier said than done. Try finding small electronic items not made in China. Even worse, some have an American name on them and item was made in China or assembled in the US with Chinese parts


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