Scoring Question
 

Just a question please.

3 teams played 9 holes today and all 3 teams ended up 1+ (over).

Team 1 bogied hole one and parred the next 8. (+1)

Team 2 parred the first 8 and bogied the ninth. (+1)

Team 3 bogied holes 1 and 2 but birdied hole 6. (+1)

Who won please?

Easy. If you did not define any tie breakers, then it is a three-way tie.

Thank you. Money was involved. So there was a payout dispute on who came in first. Team 1 thought they won and team 3 thought they won. I was just happy to be out golfing !!!!!

In this situation, I would suggest dividing the winnings 3 ways, and then clarify the rules for future play.

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Team 3
The USGA has standard tie breaker rules. In a tie, the lower back nine score wins, which doesn’t apply here since it was a 9 hole contest. Then the last 6 are compared, then the last 3, then the last hole. So, team 1 was even on the last 6, team 2 was +1, and team 3 was -1, hence the winner

Were you using handicaps (that’s the only way to determine who won, the executives are rated)? Stroke play or match play?

Thank you for the clarification. I didn't want that $4.00 anyway. So for "total score" at the end of 9 holes, you count "left to right". For "tie breaker" score, you count backward, right to left until you hit the sixth hole. OMG. I guess I won't be trying out for the LPGA. Thank you again.

The answers so far would be not be correct, unless you were playing sans handicaps.

If you were using handicaps ....

First off, you're not obligated to use the USGA Tie Breaker recommendations. If you opt to used them in a handicap event, here they are:

USGA Tie-Breaking Method (Net Scores):

1. Last Nine Holes:

Compare the net scores for the last nine holes, deducting 50% of the Course Handicap from the gross score for each player. ®

2. Last Six Holes:

If still tied, compare the net scores for the last six holes, deducting 33.33% of the Course Handicap from the gross score for each player. o

3. Last Three Holes:

If still tied, compare the net scores for the last three holes, deducting 16.66% of the Course Handicap from the gross score for each player.

IF you were playing a "Scramble" type event, you were not playing "Golf" per USGA Rules, so all bets are off.

Leave it to golf to have a system to decide which of the equal total scores is more "equal" than the others.
I'd rather settle it on the putting green elimination rounds till only one remains.
"There can be only one."

It all depends on the how-are-we-scoring agreement you make before you start. 🤓

In most/many cases winner is determined by the group who has the best score on the hardest hole,

In well over 4000 rounds of golf in my life, I've never heard that.

Hardest for who? Subjective?

I have never heard of hardest (#1 hdcp?) hole method either.

The last 9,6,3,1 holes is common, but I think if there is a tie breaker it really has to be called out ahead of time. I've played in plenty of games where the scorecard playoff is started at the last hole and went backwards hole by hole until the tie was broken. With the hole-by-hole you eliminate the tied teams one by one until there is one left.

Sounds like there was no a priori agreement so its a tie.

We rollover ties $$ and add it to the next week’s pot.

You are technically correct, but it sounds like it was an informal exec course outing, in which case I doubt they used handicaps (or even had GHIN handicaps). The OP did not specify the format, so if it was a scramble, there are no rules. If it was a best ball, I would think the general rule applies. At their level of golf, however, they can probably do whatever they like, and someone will be put out by it no matter what that is. Which is why there are rules in the first place.

I'm not sure much TV Executive Golf is played by any rules, other than the rules that get made up in the loudest player's imagination.

I'm always fascinated when playing the Championship courses, where people are paying $80-$100 to play and when they hit it in the water, they ask ... "what do I do here" ? Familiarity with "USGA rules" is a novel concept in much of TV.

(& not immediately being 100% up to speed on an esoteric recommendation on "Tie Breaking", doesn't fall into the "I'm not sure of the rule" side of the equation.)

My groups all use best scores from 9 backwards. If a quota system is being played, then you could add up a team’s points earned on 9 backwards. I do have one group that just splits the money. If there were multiple places paid, say 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, use the money for the places equal to the number of ties… in your case, take 1,2,3 and divide it for the 3 winners and 4th gets the last few $$$. If a dollar is left, it goes to the worse golfer of the day.

Yours sounds like a scramble with only one score, so for now, divide the money 3 ways and define tiebreakers for future games BEFORE you start to play.

It’s too late now BUT I would pay $4 to unsee this thread

And therein lies the problem----we can't unsee it.

Who cares?

Typically groups use the back up system to break ties. Starting with hole nine, which team scored best on the ninth? If a tie which team scored best on the eighth? If a tie look st the seventh…until one team emerges. That team wins.

1. Scorecard Playoff (Counting Back): This method compares scores starting from the last hole (hole 9) and works backward until a team has a better score on a hole. However:
- Team 1: Bogey on hole 1, par on holes 2-9.
- Team 2: Par on holes 1-8, bogey on hole 9.
- Team 3: Bogey on holes 1 and 2, birdie on hole 6, par on others.

Tiebreaker:
On hole 9, Team 2 bogeyed (+1), while Teams 1 and 3 parred (0). This eliminates Team 2. However, comparing Teams 1 and 3 backward from hole 8, both parred holes 8 through 7, but Team 3 birdied 6 and Team 1 parred it.


Conclusion: Using a scorecard playoff tiebreaker (counting back from the last hole), Team 3 wins because they scored a birdie on hole 6, while Team 1 had a par, and Team 2 was already eliminated due to their bogey on hole 9.

Why did Team 1 and Team 3 think they won?

And how was it decided? Did you agree to go with the TOTV consensus?

One league I play in starts at hole 9 and work backwards to find the lowest score on a hole to break the tie. By those rules, team 2 is third place,, team 1 second and team 3 first. I agree with others that it should be a split this time and clarify the rules for future events.

Unless a tie-breaking hole was designated, it's a three-way tie, or as someone else suggested, roll the pot to the next time.

USGA rules aren't applicable when gambling.

Why $4 when you can turn away anytime you like for free?

Now, I’ll move on (for free) but cannot unsee this comment.

What a stupid question. Who cares? The OP cares or would not have asked the question.

Why the bitterness, people? We’re blessed by technology, but turn it into an opportunity to spread bitterness.

“Be excellent to each other.” — Bill & Ted

payout for tie breakers
 

A group that I use to play in, tie breakers were decided by the score from the first Hole. But this should have been decided before teeing off.

Easy answer, everyone won, they got out and played some golf. Of course, that’s easy for me to say because I play for fun and couldn’t care less how I did relative to others.

TEAM 3, you start at 9 and go backwards. Birdie on 6 wins it.

Tie Breakers
 

The USGA has 24 Rules of Golf that don't apply here. Most folks learn the rules of golf by breaking them, then they never forget. The USGA does have recommendations. And in this case it's up to the Tournament Committee to determine what format is to be used for breaking ties. There is no wrong answer just one set before play starts. No tie breaking rule no tie breaking, split the money.

The fault lies with the group for not setting a tie breaking format, hence, there can be no winner of ties, Splitsville is the answer.

Usually the alpha dog in a group assumes the tournament committee role. If you don't have a Tournament committee, set one up.

As far as knowing the rules, a lot of Tour players don't know the rules. Min Woo Lee at Harbor Town hits his ball into the penalty area on #18, he goes in and tells his caddie he is going to take an unplayable lie, the rules official tells him he can't do that. Great example.

I had heard of the Australian Count Back method for deciding ties. After many rounds I realized the Alpha dog kept winning the ties. Probably because no one understood that method. Beware the alpha dog!

Breaking ties is obviously not that important to them, fun is. No wrong answer to tie breakers!











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I’d vote for a few beers followed by a playoff on the practice green.

"What a stupid question." Do I detect a hint of bitterness in this response? According to many of my teachers, there are no stupid questions. Although I may be inclined to disagree, it still sounds like you may not have taken Bill &Ted's suggestion to heart.
Happy Easter!

Actually, and it is a quote from a TV show: "There ARE stupid questions, and those that ask them can be told so right to their stupid face".:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

This is the way it is done. All the holes are ranked 1-18 and you would match scores on the no. 1 ranked hole, etc. until there is a clear winner.

However, the executive’s here do not rank their holes, so you are best pulling one from random, and matching cards from that number. Of course, you could just start at #1 also.

There will be a next time, so set a policy

Really??? That’s THE way it’s done? Uh huh, gee, thanks 😂😂😂

Team one wins since they were the first to finish the round.

Should made rules before hand or went to putting green for play off.